Pity the Singapore youths
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really good to see you laugh. a small step in the right direction.
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dont need a holy book lar. it is written all over your face.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap: and from which holy book did you get the information to form your conclusions?
see how sharp your emotions change, from throwing tantrums like calling people "stupid" to laughter. a clear example of highly unstable inner self. -
1st world economy for whom? Somehow in Singapore, GST increases are to help the poor...Originally posted by spinsugar:Erm.. right then............. I guess we can leave the Daddy to busy himself with his imaginary opponents
Yeah it's a sad state of affairs..
That they have to resort to this sort of ... 3rd world method.. to achieve a 1st world economy. Ironic that Singapore, for all its "progress", could not escape this fate.
Somehow, a much longer time to pay off an essential like housing is "good progress". -
OK I have enough fun for one day... like spin said, we shall leave you to play with your imaginary opponents... *yawnz*Originally posted by Daddy!!:dont need a holy book lar. it is written all over your face.
see how sharp your emotions change, from throwing tantrums to laughter. -
The same way PAP reacts when contrary views come in, even to the point of vowing to crush all opposition? Using double standard laws to protect their own interest and limit the movement of their opponents?Originally posted by Daddy!!:too much resentments in a person will make him lose control over himself easily especially when contrary views come in. over time, he becomes SEOW. i am sickened to see this type of quality of opposition. How should i vote in an opposition in the next election if i see this type of quality?
I don't see all the above by PAP as resentment... I see it as the reactions of megalomaniacs. And that is a step higher than mere resentments.
So what say you D? -
ok..i disengage.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:OK I have enough fun for one day... like spin said, we shall leave you to play with your imaginary opponents... *yawnz*
Have lots of fun, people.
oh yes, thank you Andrew for your entertainment. -
I was joking about a resentful Andrew.Originally posted by bangkokboy:The same way PAP reacts when contrary views come in, even to the point of vowing to crush all opposition? Using double standard laws to protect their own interest and limit the movement of their opponents?
I don't see all the above by PAP as resentment... I see it as the reactions of megalomaniacs. And that is a step higher than mere resentments.
So what say you D?
i got to go. disengage. -
Originally posted by Daddy!!:ok..i disengage.
Have lots of fun, people.
oh yes, thank you Andrew for your entertainment.
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Are you referring to his book ?Originally posted by Daddy!!: 31 August 2007 12.38 PM[Quote] Originally posted by Atobe: 31 August 2007 - 12.28 PM
Why will you want to instigate him to lose his temper, and help him to loose control to be easily manipulated by others ?
Are you afraid of change, or are you simply fulfilling your own writing that you are contented with the status quo and will not accept change - even if the change towards a political better Singapore can be made ?
If you have not read Andrew Yaps' writings, and do not know what is written, how would you know that it is useless to yourself ?
Can you make a judgment on the value of something if it can benefit yourself, when you have not even viewed or considered the item ?
If everyone in the world adopt the same attitude as you, can the Mankind make any progress - in each of our compartmentalised world ?
Is it not a fact that it takes the sum total of every human efforts to make the World progress, and whether the effort will directly or indirectly affect ourselves, we all should celebrate and support such progressive human efforts ?
Why will you close the door, before the light even shine into your room - and worst still, to deride the person who made the light bulb ?
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dont tell me his article is pro-government?
Is there any significance if his article is pro-or anti- government ?
It could even be a book that could have made a deep contribution for the benefit of Singaporeans - I have not read it, and I will not dismiss anyone's creative contribution as useless till after I have the opportunity to review the material.
Cause and effect - it always takes a spark to start a fire; and when the land is dry, the fire will burn more ferociously and spread faster when the more then one spark is ignited.
Why should i instigate him? There is no need to. He loses his calm easily on his own. But this is beside my point.
As much as it is required for the opposition personalities to remain calm and strong, it is even more critical for those who would wish to be paternalistic towards the Citizens to remain more calm than those in the Alternative Parties.
My point is opposition personalities with little or no resentments inside themselves are much stronger than otherwise. A calm opposition personality who shows only poker face is in my opinion stronger than one who loses control of himself easily leading to his own steep downfall in politics.
Unfortunately, we have seen enough of the poker face anger amongst the MIW in dealing with Singaporeans, and it needed the strengths of our immediate neighbors to force the poker faced MIW to issue diplomatic notes of apologies and withdraw their uninvited sarcastic remarks towards our neighbors.
Where do Singaporeans stand in the power play - are we not entitled to any apologies in the manner that Politicians talk-down to us ?
Spend a longer time in this Speakers' Corner and you will find out in due course.
which part of this forum discussion makes you stand up, atobe? -
Why does the discussion always digress to a discussion about me? Please talk, if you must, about Ferret. hahahahaha!
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because you are so special, Andrew.
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quote: Myself
My point is opposition personalities with little or no resentments inside themselves are much stronger than otherwise. A calm opposition personality who shows only poker face is in my opinion stronger than one who loses control of himself easily leading to his own steep downfall in politics.
quote: Atobe
As much as it is required for the opposition personalities to remain calm and strong, it is even more critical for those who would wish to be paternalistic towards the Citizens to remain more calm than those in the Alternative Parties.
Unfortunately, we have seen enough of the poker face anger amongst the MIW in dealing with Singaporeans, and it needed the strengths of our immediate neighbors to force the poker faced MIW to issue diplomatic notes of apologies and withdraw their uninvited sarcastic remarks towards our neighbors.
Where do Singaporeans stand in the power play - are we not entitled to any apologies in the manner that Politicians talk-down to us ?
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I like you Atobe and your creativity. Your persona and another id make Singaporeans proud. I am proud of you and another id.
A new abstract "poker face anger" which is so real. I do meet people with poker face anger but due to vocab, could not find the right word to express it.
if we put a poker face anger persona versus a person who cannot keep calm. The person who cannot keep calm easily get slaughtered.
"Where do Singaporeans stand in the power play - are we not entitled to any apologies in the manner that Politicians talk-down to us ?" I try very hard to recall an event which Singaporeans are being talked-down. Policies are being imposed on us. But then, they are voted in by Singaporeans to form a government what. -
Andrew Yap,
since you care so much for Singaporeans, why din you turn up to support the yellow ribbon fair at Changi Prison?
Instead you spend your whole day at home typing away with your computer.
Useless fellow.
Below are evidence of the times of your posts.
02 September 2007 · 07:57 AM
Why does the discussion always digress to a discussion about me? Please talk, if you must, about Ferret. hahahahaha! Laughing
02 September 2007 · 08:14 AM
02 September 2007 · 02:35 PM
That is why Singaporeans need to work so hard with nothing to show for it because people have stupid ideas in their heads that the government should be treated/considered to be their "bosses" instead of their servants.
02 September 2007 · 03:32 PM
02 September 2007 · 04:56 PM
When people are too frightened, that is what happens... without them knowing it...
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This was what i wrote of you for you to understand yourself. See how true it is especially you praying your computer.
"A staunch Christian reads a lot of the bible and he becomes rather convinced that God is there and he starts to fear God. Everyday, every night he prays. So much so that he starts to think the rest of the world should also fear God and he starts to preach the word of God.
You are very much the same. You allowed a dictator to enter your mind then you start to read a lot about it and you become very convinced that the dictator is real and you start to fear. Everyday and night, you start to pray in front of a computer with links to internet web sites. So much so that you start to think the rest of the world should also fear the dictator and you start to preach the word of "fear the dictator". " -
Oh Daddy! you have allowed me to enter your mind and that is why you cannot stop thinking about me. Are you about to declare your love for me
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Why would people be afraid of criticisms? I can think of some reasons. TT Durai was clearly scared of criticisms and even sued people for defamation.Originally posted by bangkokboy:The same way PAP reacts when contrary views come in, even to the point of vowing to crush all opposition? Using double standard laws to protect their own interest and limit the movement of their opponents?
I don't see all the above by PAP as resentment... I see it as the reactions of megalomaniacs. And that is a step higher than mere resentments.
So what say you D?
TT Durai was scared of trnasparency because transparency brought him down.
It is hard to think of anything positive why people are scared of criticisms. -
It is real pity that the Singapore youths have to live in such a system.
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In Singapore, the Malay minority is doing well and the Malays are proud to be Singaporeans.
SINGAPORE:
The Malay/Muslim community in Singapore is much better off today compared to 25 years ago, said Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong .
A comprehensive report detailing the Malay/Muslim community's progress over the last 25 years was given out on Sunday at the Mendaki's 25th anniversary celebrations.
More Malay students are pursuing post-secondary education and more in the community are also holding better-paying jobs.
Mr Lee gave an example - more than 80 per cent of Malay students now make it to post-secondary education such as ITEs and polytechnics.
From just 1.3 per cent 25 years ago, now 34 per cent of Malay students make it to tertiary institutions.
"Success in education has fed through and raised the socio-economic status of the Malay/Muslim community. There is a growing middle-class with increasing purchasing power. More Malay/Muslim households have upgraded to better housing too. The vast majority own their own homes – 93 per cent, that's about the same as the national average. Collectively, these indicators reflect a community enjoying higher living standards and better quality of life."
Although the community has shown progress, Mr Lee said it still has to tackle some pressing issues such as the problems of dysfunctional families.
Though such problems are not common, Mr Lee said they could affect the educational performance of the Malay/Muslim community. Despite the high overall enrolment, he noted that some 300 Malay students still drop out from secondary schools every year.
So Mr Lee called on self-help group Mendaki to mobilise efforts for new programmes to tackle the challenges, to attract more young people to volunteer in programmes to help develop the community further.
"Beyond the statistics in the report, there is a new mood and self-confidence in the community. It is willing to seize opportunities and move ahead and just as ready to recognise the problems and tackle them openly and objectively, even when they are sensitive and difficult. That is why the community has made progress and is in a strong and confident position today."
Mr Lee added that because of globalisation, the Malay/Muslim community must understand they are not just competing against other Singaporeans, but people around the world as well.
He called on the community to seize the opportunities all over Asia, especially in the Middle East and China. He also insisted it is crucial to upgrade their skills and stay ahead. - CNA/ac -
During this meaningful Yellow Ribbon Fair day, 2 september 07, instead of doing something meaningful to his life and others lives, Andrew Yap was worshiping his computer spreading on the internet his fear of the dictator. Worse, he called these ex-convicts "drunkards and gangsters". What an unfeeling person.
SINGAPORE: Some ten thousand people put on their walking shoes and hit the street in support of former prison inmates Sunday morning.
The 3.5-kilometre walk at Pasir Ris Town Park was organised by the Yellow Ribbon Project to foster public support and acceptance of ex-offenders.
Former drug addict Simon Neo was in and out of prison before converting to Christianity.
"I thought drugs can help me forget all my problems and worries,” he said. But when he became hooked, drugs only brought him pain.
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong wanted to change people's hearts and minds about ex-offenders who had taken a second chance to turn their lives around.
"If you have made a mistake, if you have offended, then there has to be punishment. But if you have taken the punishment and you are prepared to correct yourself and make good and come back onto the right path - if you make the effort, we should give you the second chance," said PM Lee.
There was also a fair at Prison Link Changi Centre that showcased how ex-offenders and ex-inmates are reintegrating into society.
A book of short stories and poems by inmates was launched as well. - CNA/ac -
But in last 5 years, higher education has not meant more Malays in higher-end jobs
taken from Today
http://www.todayonline.com/articles/209171.asp
Does that sound like something people that are happy and proud to be Singaporeans will say? Propaganda can only work in the dictators controlled press. Want to know the truth?
Read in this topic why: "Everything in Opposition Websites is Fair True and Accurate."
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=277517 -
And some made into super high paying jobs in Merril Lynch.
Stats of success
But in last 5 years, higher education has not meant more Malays in higher-end jobs
Nazry Bahrawi
[email protected]
A MUSLIM household in the middle of the spectrum earns almost four times more today than it did 25 years ago, while the proportion of Singaporean Malays in high-end jobs has nearly tripled.
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Numbers like these paint a picture of the community's "dramatic transformation" as Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong called it on Sunday. More statistics mapping its progress since 1980 were released yesterday by the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports (MCYS).
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Median monthly household income, for instance, rose to $3,050 in 2005 from $770 in 1980.
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Far fewer young Malays are also dropping out from school — just 0.7 out of 1,000 left primary school in 2005, down from 6.8 in 1990, while the ratio of secondary-school dropouts sank from 24 to 7.3 per 1,000 students.
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But here's the rub: Over the last five years at least, higher educational levels do not seem to have translated into more Malays in higher-paying jobs.
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While more in each cohort are making it to polytechnic or a publicly-funded university (34 per cent in 2005, up from 1.3 per cent in 1980), the percentage of Malays taking up administrative, managerial and professional positions in 2005 is the same as it was in 2000 — 7 per cent.
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Instead, more have been taking up jobs in sales and services.
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Said Member of Parliament Halimah Yaacob: "We have to understand that while the educational profile of Malays has gone up, the other communities have also advanced.
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"The other important point to note is that the skill and educational component of most jobs have also gone up — 20 years ago, an O-level qualification could be the entry point for executive level jobs but today, it will get you access to much lower level jobs."
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Malay/Muslim median household income still lags behind that of the Indians and Chinese — $4,120 and $4,570 respectively in 2005. The gap has, in fact, widened over the last 25 years.
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While this trend needs proper analysis, Mdm Halimah said: "Off-hand, my take is that as the median income takes into account the highest and lowest income earners, this is probably pulled down as we have a higher percentage of low-skilled, low-income workers."
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Mr Lee had acknowledged that as other communities too have surged ahead, it could take "many years" to narrow all the gaps. Mr Zulkifli Baharudin, Singapore's ambassador to Algeria, said that perhaps Malay/Muslims needed to look at factors contributing to the "competitive DNA".
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"You may be book smart, but if you find it difficult to adjust to real competitive life, then you may not succeed," he said, while agreeing that prioritising education — so that Malay/Muslims could "progress in tandem with the rest" — was the right approach.
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So what is the way forward for the community? Those who Today spoke with agree that Mr Lee's emphasis on helping dysfunctional families is important.
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Beyond this, Associate Professor Syed Farid Alatas, head of the Malay Studies Department at the National University of Singapore, said the community should also set its own goals by which it defines success. "For example, it can take the lead in the areas of cultural development and the academic fields."
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Mdm Halimah felt these issues should not be seen as just the problems of the Malay/Muslim community alone.
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She added: "I think the PM is sending a clear signal that these are national issues which need the support of all Singaporeans, and all the resources that we can garner."
But in last 5 years, higher education has not meant more Malays in higher-end jobs
Nazry Bahrawi
[email protected]
A MUSLIM household in the middle of the spectrum earns almost four times more today than it did 25 years ago, while the proportion of Singaporean Malays in high-end jobs has nearly tripled.
.
Numbers like these paint a picture of the community's "dramatic transformation" as Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong called it on Sunday. More statistics mapping its progress since 1980 were released yesterday by the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports (MCYS).
.
Median monthly household income, for instance, rose to $3,050 in 2005 from $770 in 1980.
.
Far fewer young Malays are also dropping out from school — just 0.7 out of 1,000 left primary school in 2005, down from 6.8 in 1990, while the ratio of secondary-school dropouts sank from 24 to 7.3 per 1,000 students.
.
But here's the rub: Over the last five years at least, higher educational levels do not seem to have translated into more Malays in higher-paying jobs.
.
While more in each cohort are making it to polytechnic or a publicly-funded university (34 per cent in 2005, up from 1.3 per cent in 1980), the percentage of Malays taking up administrative, managerial and professional positions in 2005 is the same as it was in 2000 — 7 per cent.
.
Instead, more have been taking up jobs in sales and services.
.
Said Member of Parliament Halimah Yaacob: "We have to understand that while the educational profile of Malays has gone up, the other communities have also advanced.
.
"The other important point to note is that the skill and educational component of most jobs have also gone up — 20 years ago, an O-level qualification could be the entry point for executive level jobs but today, it will get you access to much lower level jobs."
.
Malay/Muslim median household income still lags behind that of the Indians and Chinese — $4,120 and $4,570 respectively in 2005. The gap has, in fact, widened over the last 25 years.
.
While this trend needs proper analysis, Mdm Halimah said: "Off-hand, my take is that as the median income takes into account the highest and lowest income earners, this is probably pulled down as we have a higher percentage of low-skilled, low-income workers."
.
Mr Lee had acknowledged that as other communities too have surged ahead, it could take "many years" to narrow all the gaps. Mr Zulkifli Baharudin, Singapore's ambassador to Algeria, said that perhaps Malay/Muslims needed to look at factors contributing to the "competitive DNA".
.
"You may be book smart, but if you find it difficult to adjust to real competitive life, then you may not succeed," he said, while agreeing that prioritising education — so that Malay/Muslims could "progress in tandem with the rest" — was the right approach.
.
So what is the way forward for the community? Those who Today spoke with agree that Mr Lee's emphasis on helping dysfunctional families is important.
.
Beyond this, Associate Professor Syed Farid Alatas, head of the Malay Studies Department at the National University of Singapore, said the community should also set its own goals by which it defines success. "For example, it can take the lead in the areas of cultural development and the academic fields."
.
Mdm Halimah felt these issues should not be seen as just the problems of the Malay/Muslim community alone.
.
She added: "I think the PM is sending a clear signal that these are national issues which need the support of all Singaporeans, and all the resources that we can garner."
But in last 5 years, higher education has not meant more Malays in higher-end jobs
Nazry Bahrawi
[email protected]
A MUSLIM household in the middle of the spectrum earns almost four times more today than it did 25 years ago, while the proportion of Singaporean Malays in high-end jobs has nearly tripled.
.
Numbers like these paint a picture of the community's "dramatic transformation" as Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong called it on Sunday. More statistics mapping its progress since 1980 were released yesterday by the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports (MCYS).
.
Median monthly household income, for instance, rose to $3,050 in 2005 from $770 in 1980.
.
Far fewer young Malays are also dropping out from school — just 0.7 out of 1,000 left primary school in 2005, down from 6.8 in 1990, while the ratio of secondary-school dropouts sank from 24 to 7.3 per 1,000 students.
.
But here's the rub: Over the last five years at least, higher educational levels do not seem to have translated into more Malays in higher-paying jobs.
.
While more in each cohort are making it to polytechnic or a publicly-funded university (34 per cent in 2005, up from 1.3 per cent in 1980), the percentage of Malays taking up administrative, managerial and professional positions in 2005 is the same as it was in 2000 — 7 per cent.
.
Instead, more have been taking up jobs in sales and services.
.
Said Member of Parliament Halimah Yaacob: "We have to understand that while the educational profile of Malays has gone up, the other communities have also advanced.
.
"The other important point to note is that the skill and educational component of most jobs have also gone up — 20 years ago, an O-level qualification could be the entry point for executive level jobs but today, it will get you access to much lower level jobs."
.
Malay/Muslim median household income still lags behind that of the Indians and Chinese — $4,120 and $4,570 respectively in 2005. The gap has, in fact, widened over the last 25 years.
.
While this trend needs proper analysis, Mdm Halimah said: "Off-hand, my take is that as the median income takes into account the highest and lowest income earners, this is probably pulled down as we have a higher percentage of low-skilled, low-income workers."
.
Mr Lee had acknowledged that as other communities too have surged ahead, it could take "many years" to narrow all the gaps. Mr Zulkifli Baharudin, Singapore's ambassador to Algeria, said that perhaps Malay/Muslims needed to look at factors contributing to the "competitive DNA".
.
"You may be book smart, but if you find it difficult to adjust to real competitive life, then you may not succeed," he said, while agreeing that prioritising education — so that Malay/Muslims could "progress in tandem with the rest" — was the right approach.
.
So what is the way forward for the community? Those who Today spoke with agree that Mr Lee's emphasis on helping dysfunctional families is important.
.
Beyond this, Associate Professor Syed Farid Alatas, head of the Malay Studies Department at the National University of Singapore, said the community should also set its own goals by which it defines success. "For example, it can take the lead in the areas of cultural development and the academic fields."
.
Mdm Halimah felt these issues should not be seen as just the problems of the Malay/Muslim community alone.
.
She added: "I think the PM is sending a clear signal that these are national issues which need the support of all Singaporeans, and all the resources that we can garner."
But in last 5 years, higher education has not meant more Malays in higher-end jobs
Nazry Bahrawi
[email protected]
A MUSLIM household in the middle of the spectrum earns almost four times more today than it did 25 years ago, while the proportion of Singaporean Malays in high-end jobs has nearly tripled.
.
Numbers like these paint a picture of the community's "dramatic transformation" as Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong called it on Sunday. More statistics mapping its progress since 1980 were released yesterday by the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports (MCYS).
.
Median monthly household income, for instance, rose to $3,050 in 2005 from $770 in 1980.
.
Far fewer young Malays are also dropping out from school — just 0.7 out of 1,000 left primary school in 2005, down from 6.8 in 1990, while the ratio of secondary-school dropouts sank from 24 to 7.3 per 1,000 students.
.
But here's the rub: Over the last five years at least, higher educational levels do not seem to have translated into more Malays in higher-paying jobs.
.
While more in each cohort are making it to polytechnic or a publicly-funded university (34 per cent in 2005, up from 1.3 per cent in 1980), the percentage of Malays taking up administrative, managerial and professional positions in 2005 is the same as it was in 2000 — 7 per cent.
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Instead, more have been taking up jobs in sales and services.
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Said Member of Parliament Halimah -
Is there any difference between the two pieces of similar headlines from the same author - one from Andrew Yap and the other from Daddy!! ?
Both have highlighted the usual condescending statements made by the PM from the MIW, since the first public statements of the Malay-Muslim Community was made in the early 1970s by LKY.
Andrew Yap's piece showed up the fact that despite the Malay-Muslim community having made progress in educational qualification, there is too few from the Malay-Muslim community in the High Paying jobs.
Daddy!!'s piece had claimed that ''And some made into super high paying jobs in Merril Lynch'', which unfortunately could not be filtered from the purposeful repeated dysfunctional posting of a single piece for at least 3.5x.
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Some people have no idea that they are saying (and thinking) rubbish. That's just the way it is. It is pointless to try to point it out to them.
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I brought up this thread because you know... the other one..
Guess the hottest field of study... [page: 1, 2, 3,... 8, 9, 10]
How would any Singapore youth get a chance to study emergence unless you are exam smart (less opportunities for the rest as a result of the exclusion), very rich (again less opportunities for the rest as a result of the exclusion), and the high costs of living would ensure that the youths will have to be "practical".
"Boy ah, you so smart you better study accountancy or medicine hor... what emer emer rubbish? In Singapore hor... everything so expensive, you must be sian shi hor..."
Is it any wonder that the noble prize, if awarded for the study of Emergence, will go to an American where intelligence rather than exam smarts let's you get ahead... and the youths do not need to be so sian shi like the Singaporean youths...
We are building casinos to scam people's money instead of building brains...
*sigh*