More protest marches break out in Burma
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I also love to smile in front of camera.Originally posted by Manager433:Hint: The leader of that country loves to smile in front of the camera. -
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=Singapore&c=&fr=&c=images
People look at placards pasted on the gate of the embassy of Myanmar in Singapore September 30, 2007 during a candlelight vigil against the military crackdown in Myanmar. REUTERS/Tim Chong (SINGAPORE) -
Originally posted by walesa:
Here a quote from a pressing briefing by the UN envoy. found in UN web page.
Nobody said the junta had any legitimacy to begin with - maybe gnomes like you would regard them to have lost their moral authority [b]only when they shot at the protestors; half the planet regarded their regime to be illegitimate since 1988.
The crux here isn't about the credibility of the Myanmar junta to begin with - it's an issue of the moral authority ASEAN, as a collective assembly, actually has. Just as well the UN and significant powers-that-be do not live in utopian cocoons like yours believing in the moral authority of rogues to bring another rogue under control - or you'd be lucky if the crisis didn't escalate, nevermind never being resolved.[/b]
Asked if the United Nations was the right venue for dealing with human rights issues in Myanmar, he said that isolation and sanctions had not worked so far, and the Security Council resolution might not have worked, but that did not mean that Security Council action might not be helpful. The Secretary-General had a role under the mandate from the General Assembly to find ways of building international support for his action, so that the authorities would address the issues he had mentioned. Those efforts should be given a chance, because those countries that had voted against a resolution of the Security Council, while recognizing that there were problems in Myanmar, did not think that the Security Council was the appropriate forum to act on them. They had mentioned the Human Rights Council, in that regard. Under those circumstances, the Secretary-GeneralÂ’s good offices should be used as a means to get the results required.
Asked about the role of the Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN), he said that a recent meeting of ASEAN Ministers had agreed in principle to establish a human rights mechanism. That was an important step, because Myanmar had gone along with that, fully aware that once that mechanism was established, it would look at human rights records of ASEAN Member States. He hoped all ASEAN countries would cooperate in the work of such a mechanism.
How do you bring about change in the attitude of a regime?” he asked in that connection. “You can either change the regime, which is not an option available to us, or achieve change … by allowing international forces, particularly those that have influence on the regime, to bring it to be, and we have decided to take the second option.”[quote]
1) sanction and isolation have not yield desirable outcome to easing HR and political changes.
2) countries vote against a resolution signal a split in the council on Myanmar. (no secret). general assembly it seemed the secretary general is still trying to gather international support. Thus you can said yes the general assembly could overight the council but seemed like still has a distance.
3) It seemed that UN is at this moment watching and trying to let Asean Human Right mechanism work itself out. I doubt there are any political will but will see his report after he return to NY.
It will be a show case of EU and most western country up held their HR standard by wanting a tough statement but most likely minimum action so that they look good. It will be interesting to see how SG or Asean is going to defined Human Right Charter, and to what standard does Asean lived by. -
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Bloody hell, i cant believe that our god damn country is so... just so damn uncaring for what is going on over there. Our leaders, yes their great (sarcasm please) for making this country what it is, but god damn their such a bunch of cold blooded leaders.
I know people who work in the news papers here (ST, New Paper, etc) and i think its embarrassing how little we're reporting about the on goings of Myanmar because the damn leaders don't want to look like their bloody taking sides in case they might lose some business (Singapore has about $1.2 Billion worth in investments in the country) Anyway, just a damn rant i had to get off my chest, its so disgusting too see such little reports, i know that The New Straits Times in our neighbors to the north published the photos of the hundreds of dead bodies of monks and civilians being dumped in the jungles.
Its about damn time we started showing them too, fuck our censorship laws sometimes, fucking hell. -
sorry just read that article.
"Burma's ailing Prime Minister Lt-Gen Soe Win has died at the military hospital in Mingalardon, Rangoon on Tuesday, sources said.
Soe Win, who returned to Burma on Monday from a secret medical treatment in Singapore, died at about 5:00 p.m (local time), sources added."
WTF -
Hmm..Originally posted by piracer:sorry just read that article.
"Burma's ailing Prime Minister Lt-Gen Soe Win has died at the military hospital in Mingalardon, Rangoon on Tuesday, sources said.
Soe Win, who returned to Burma on Monday from a secret medical treatment in Singapore, died at about 5:00 p.m (local time), sources added."
WTF -
It is also reported in yesterday report that Senior General Than Swee is not able to get along with his deputy n with Soe Win passed away, it will not beOriginally posted by piracer:sorry just read that article.
"Burma's ailing Prime Minister Lt-Gen Soe Win has died at the military hospital in Mingalardon, Rangoon on Tuesday, sources said.
Soe Win, who returned to Burma on Monday from a secret medical treatment in Singapore, died at about 5:00 p.m (local time), sources added."
WTF
long before the power struggle broke out in the open. -
Generals, soldiers detained for refusing to shoot monks in Myanmar
Wednesday, October 10, 2007 at 16:52 EDT
JAKARTA — Myanmar's junta has detained five generals and more than 400 soldiers for disobeying orders to shoot and beat monks and other activists during recent pro-democracy protests in Yangon, an Indonesian newspaper reported Wednesday.
The English-language Jakarta Post, in a dispatch from the city of Tachileik in Myanmar's Shan State bordering Thailand, quoted an official as saying the arrests were the first sign of divisions in the military-ruled country. "The five generals expressed their refusal to deploy their troops against the monks openly. They were then quickly put into detention by the junta," the Post quoted the official as saying. The official refused to be identified out of fear that he would be punished by
© 2007 Kyodo News. All rights reserved.
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what are the relationship between Indo and Myanmar?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Generals, soldiers detained for refusing to shoot monks in Myanmar
Wednesday, October 10, 2007 at 16:52 EDT
JAKARTA — Myanmar's junta has detained five generals and more than 400 soldiers for disobeying orders to shoot and beat monks and other activists during recent pro-democracy protests in Yangon, an Indonesian newspaper reported Wednesday.
The English-language Jakarta Post, in a dispatch from the city of Tachileik in Myanmar's Shan State bordering Thailand, quoted an official as saying the arrests were the first sign of divisions in the military-ruled country. "The five generals expressed their refusal to deploy their troops against the monks openly. They were then quickly put into detention by the junta," the Post quoted the official as saying. The official refused to be identified out of fear that he would be punished by
© 2007 Kyodo News. All rights reserved.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Ever heard of something called lip service? Or are you immuned from it?
Here a quote from a pressing briefing by the UN envoy. found in UN web page.
Asked if the United Nations was the right venue for dealing with human rights issues in Myanmar, [b]he said that isolation and sanctions had not worked so far, and the Security Council resolution might not have worked, but that did not mean that Security Council action might not be helpful. The Secretary-General had a role under the mandate from the General Assembly to find ways of building international support for his action, so that the authorities would address the issues he had mentioned. Those efforts should be given a chance, because those countries that had voted against a resolution of the Security Council, while recognizing that there were problems in Myanmar, did not think that the Security Council was the appropriate forum to act on them. They had mentioned the Human Rights Council, in that regard. Under those circumstances, the Secretary-GeneralÂ’s good offices should be used as a means to get the results required.
Asked about the role of the Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN), he said that a recent meeting of ASEAN Ministers had agreed in principle to establish a human rights mechanism. That was an important step, because Myanmar had gone along with that, fully aware that once that mechanism was established, it would look at human rights records of ASEAN Member States. He hoped all ASEAN countries would cooperate in the work of such a mechanism.
How do you bring about change in the attitude of a regime?” he asked in that connection. “You can either change the regime, which is not an option available to us, or achieve change … by allowing international forces, particularly those that have influence on the regime, to bring it to be, and we have decided to take the second option.”[quote]
1) sanction and isolation have not yield desirable outcome to easing HR and political changes.
2) countries vote against a resolution signal a split in the council on Myanmar. (no secret). general assembly it seemed the secretary general is still trying to gather international support. Thus you can said yes the general assembly could overight the council but seemed like still has a distance.
3) It seemed that UN is at this moment watching and trying to let Asean Human Right mechanism work itself out. I doubt there are any political will but will see his report after he return to NY.
It will be a show case of EU and most western country up held their HR standard by wanting a tough statement but most likely minimum action so that they look good. It will be interesting to see how SG or Asean is going to defined Human Right Charter, and to what standard does Asean lived by.
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When Christopher Hill expresses faith in the DPRK's commitment to nuclear disarmament, is that merely a front the US would like to put on to signal progress in the six-party talks or is there something tangible in his words? Perhaps, it's worth wondering why Hill is still talking about his faith in a deal instead of his achievements more than 2 years after his appointment as the US representative to the six-party talks. Apparently, you seem to live in a world fit for kids where you literally take everyone's word at face value.
Anyway, back to your points :
1. Sanctions and isolation may not have yielded the outcome in terms of having a complete overhaul of the regime, but evidently there is nothing to suggest it hasn't worked. On the contrary, there is nothing to suggest anything else works better, which clearly explains the international community's knack in resorting to such measures whenever the junta steps out of line. As a matter of fact, that regime has a knack of backing down when placed under pressure from the international community through sanctions and isolation. You may wish to analyse in detail the sanctions and subsequent backing down by the regime whenever Aung San Suu Kyi's house arrest is extended.
2. What the hell are you talking about? Who ever said you'd get a resolution passed easily at the Security Council? Your intellect seems no more agile than a toddler going by your senseless diatribes. Did the Security Council reach any effective consensus in the Balkan crisis in the 1990's or Iraq before Bush sent his troops in? As a matter of fact, this particular instance isn't so much an issue of a resolution not having the support of the majority as is the issue with the fact China chooses to exercise its veto as a permanent member which complicates things.
3. If the UN were prepared to sit by and let the ASEAN Human Rights charter kick in, why would they bother sending Gambari there to begin with? For a holiday or tea session with Tan Shwe? If ASEAN could be relied upon to resolve issue, would there even be a need for this matter to be referred to the Security Council to begin with? As with anything, Gambari's merely doing everything diplomatically possible by exhausting all avenues to advance his cause - and that's by no means an endorsement on his, or the UN's, part of the ability of ASEAN to resolve this issue. -
[quote]Originally posted by walesa:
Ever heard of something called lip service? Or are you immuned from it?
Lip service is a resolution from UN Council without any action behind and achieve nothing.. – Nada. Zero. That does not mean anything to Junta
Anyway, back to your points :
1. Sanctions and isolation may not have yielded the outcome in terms of having a complete overhaul of the regime, but evidently there is nothing to suggest it hasn't worked. On the contrary, there is nothing to suggest anything else works better, which clearly explains the international community's knack in resorting to such measures whenever the junta steps out of line. As a matter of fact, that regime has a knack of backing down when placed under pressure from the international community through sanctions and isolation. You may wish to analyse in detail the sanctions and subsequent backing down by the regime whenever Aung San Suu Kyi's house arrest is extended.
Do you know your political objective? Do you know who u r against the people? the Generals? or the country? Lets look at the current action any sanction? …..”NO” what does it tell you? politcal objective has not been met from sanction.
2. What the hell are you talking about? Who ever said you'd get a resolution passed easily at the Security Council? Your intellect seems no more agile than a toddler going by your senseless diatribes. Did the Security Council reach any effective consensus in the Balkan crisis in the 1990's or Iraq before Bush sent his troops in? As a matter of fact, this particular instance isn't so much an issue of a resolution not having the support of the majority as is the issue with the fact China chooses to exercise its veto as a permanent member which complicates things
Did u just suffer a black out or Did you have amnesia? or youÂ’re totally ignorant to international relation? The Call for tough sanction on Myanmar was a Goner way before it reach the council.
[b]Wang also reiterated China's opposition to U.N. sanctions against Myanmar.
"It's a problem," he said. "It's a crisis, but this does not constitute a threat in the (U.N.) charter definition to the region and to international peace and security.
"These problems, we believe, are basically internal. A solution for the Myanmar situation has to be found by the Myanmars themselves," Wang said. CNN.
U cannot choose and pick without consideration the power players within the council. From Day 1 of this incident PRC and Russia already state clearly this is a domestic affair. U are telling me China exercise its Veto does not representing the majority? But it does affect overall resolution. How could you be making such a statement without referencing the permanent council member Chinese & Russia positions. A resolution achieve nothing is a show case.
Are you so willing to give up your Freedom to some power play in UN. Even for you to walk into a road block you would find alternative solution to cross the road block u r suddenly subjected to Status quo?
Collective security only works if all members work collectively together not on a competing or conflicting bipolar.
Balken is an example of political power play within the UN security council that turn the council into a dysfunction organization that leds to lost of more innocent civilian.
3. If the UN were prepared to sit by and let the ASEAN Human Rights charter kick in, why would they bother sending Gambari there to begin with? For a holiday or tea session with Tan Shwe? If ASEAN could be relied upon to resolve issue, would there even be a need for this matter to be referred to the Security Council to begin with? As with anything, Gambari's merely doing everything diplomatically possible by exhausting all avenues to advance his cause - and that's by no means an endorsement on his, or the UN's, part of the ability of ASEAN to resolve this issue.
In a related development, the Secretary-General today dispatched Mr. Gambari to the region, where he will hold consultations in Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, India, China and Japan, with a view to returning to Myanmar shortly thereafter.
this folk in UN already knew there are just lips service and moral support from the UN council. The real instrument that has significant influence come from Asean countries PRC, India, and Japan. It is an Asia problems and they want to remain as Asian influence and solution. In any case, read carefully they are only talking about national reconciliation, release of prisoner, and establish a more legitimate government. DidnÂ’t hear about removing the generals[/b] -
These are thinking soldiers with clear mind instead of blindly following brutal orders. Fellow citizens' soldiers would you willing to do the right things and get punished when same scenarios falls on us?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Generals, soldiers detained for refusing to shoot monks in Myanmar
Wednesday, October 10, 2007 at 16:52 EDT
JAKARTA — Myanmar's junta has detained five generals and more than 400 soldiers for disobeying orders to shoot and beat monks and other activists during recent pro-democracy protests in Yangon, an Indonesian newspaper reported Wednesday.
The English-language Jakarta Post, in a dispatch from the city of Tachileik in Myanmar's Shan State bordering Thailand, quoted an official as saying the arrests were the first sign of divisions in the military-ruled country. "The five generals expressed their refusal to deploy their troops against the monks openly. They were then quickly put into detention by the junta," the Post quoted the official as saying. The official refused to be identified out of fear that he would be punished by
© 2007 Kyodo News. All rights reserved.
http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/419889 -
It really these general n soldier's conscience not to shoot their fellow people.Originally posted by (human):These are thinking soldiers with clear mind instead of blindly following brutal orders. Fellow citizens' soldiers would you willing to do the right things and get punished when same scenarios falls on us?
Anyway juding from the article, it seemed there is element within the Burmese
army which already started to resent the chain of command. -
So can we assume having a system of incarcerating convicted criminals isn't actually effective just because there're repeat offenders whose actions would obviously suggest their incarceration had not served the purpose it was intended to serve? Political objective has not been met from sanctions because your limited intellect doesn't permit you to comprehend it to be so. I suppose to nincompoops like you, success and failure can only be measured in absolute terms and anything that doesn't achieve absolute success is, by defacto, a failure, isn't it?Originally posted by Arapahoe:Do you know your political objective? Do you know who u r against the people? the Generals? or the country? Lets look at the current action any sanction? …..”NO” what does it tell you? politcal objective has not been met from sanction.
You must be some goner to be espousing the very issue I had brought up to begin with. Why was it a goner - because of the lack of majority support or the lack of Chinese support? If it's the latter, isn't the fact the Chinese wielding their veto card that actually renders this ineffective? Does your schizophrenic mind even allow you to see the difference between the two examples? Or do you need to imagine some warped concotions to sell your spin?Originally posted by Arapahoe:Did u just suffer a black out or Did you have amnesia? or youÂ’re totally ignorant to international relation? The Call for tough sanction on Myanmar was a Goner way before it reach the council.
Wang also reiterated China's opposition to U.N. sanctions against Myanmar.
"It's a problem," he said. "It's a crisis, but this does not constitute a threat in the (U.N.) charter definition to the region and to international peace and security.
"These problems, we believe, are basically internal. A solution for the Myanmar situation has to be found by the Myanmars themselves," Wang said. CNN.
U cannot choose and pick without consideration the power players within the council. From Day 1 of this incident PRC and Russia already state clearly this is a domestic affair. U are telling me China exercise its Veto does not representing the majority? But it does affect overall resolution. How could you be making such a statement without referencing the permanent council member Chinese & Russia positions. A resolution achieve nothing is a show case.
Are you so willing to give up your Freedom to some power play in UN. Even for you to walk into a road block you would find alternative solution to cross the road block u r suddenly subjected to Status quo?
Collective security only works if all members work collectively together not on a competing or conflicting bipolar.
Balken is an example of political power play within the UN security council that turn the council into a dysfunction organization that leds to lost of more innocent civilian.
Collective security is never an effective obligation even if you had a consensus simply because the UN does not maintain its own troops - no resolution will ever be binding as far as dictating international military action is concerned. That's got nothing to do with "playing cards" as your deluded mind is led to believe. It's obviously exclusive for morons like you, through a lack of proper understanding of the functioning mechanisms that govern the UN's operations, to regard the UN's role to be nothing but a "show case" and a "dysfunctional organisation". Maybe going over detailed case studies starting with the Suez Crisis would be a good start before you come back for another round of drivel...
What bollocks are you on about? Asian problem and Asian influence? Really, have any asian countries proved any more successful in trying to resolve the Burmese issue?Originally posted by Arapahoe:this folk in UN already knew there are just lips service and moral support from the UN council. The real instrument that has significant influence come from Asean countries PRC, India, and Japan. It is an Asia problems and they want to remain as Asian influence and solution. In any case, read carefully they are only talking about national reconciliation, release of prisoner, and establish a more legitimate government. DidnÂ’t hear about removing the generals
If your diatribe were true, why would China be bothered to issue a condemndation through the UN? And clearly, you lack a dose of basic common sense - how on earth are you supposed to establish a "more legitimate government" by retaining the present one? Lest you get confused, the UN was dealing with the more pressing humanitarian issue of the regime's crackdown on protestors than the need for the regime to be toppled. So why are you comparing an apple with an orange? I suppose you must be linguistically challenged to have interpreted things that way. -
China calls for quick reforms in Myanmar
YANGON, Myanmar (AP) -- China called on Myanmar to speed up democratic reforms, state media reported Saturday - an unusual move for Beijing, which has traditionally refrained from criticizing the military regime.
The call came as a U.N. human rights investigator wrapped up a trip to the country that he said had helped him to determine that at least 15 people died during the junta's crackdown on pro-democracy protests in September.
China's Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs Wang Yi also expressed support for U.N. attempts to reconcile the regime and the suppressed democracy movement during a two-day meeting with the junta that ended Friday. The state-controlled New Light of Myanmar newspaper reported the meeting only after Wang had left the country.
China, a communist country whose own record on democratic reforms and human rights has been criticized, is one of Myanmar's largest trading partners and its main political ally.
Beijing does not usually publicly criticize Myanmar's military government, a reflection of its position of strict noninterference in the internal affairs of the country.
But in recent weeks, it has been credited with working behind the scenes to pressure Myanmar to embrace democratic reforms after the crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrations.
China also provided important backing for the mission of Ibrahim Gambari, the U.N. secretary general's special envoy on Myanmar, by supporting a Security Council declaration and helping persuade Myanmar to allow him to visit twice.
As Wang's visit ended Friday, U.N. human rights investigator Paulo Sergio Pinheiro announced that at least 15 people died in Myanmar's biggest city when the military crushed the demonstrations, five more than the government had acknowledged.
"This is just in Yangon," Pinheiro said. "The government has not told me all the casualties in the country."
He said numbers were based on post-mortems and other official information, adding that he would continue seeking relevant information from other sources.
It was the first trip the junta allowed the Brazilian professor to make to the country in four years.
Pinheiro said he would give as complete an accounting as possible to the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva on Dec. 11.
Myanmar's military government has said 10 people were killed when troops opened fire on crowds of peaceful protesters in late September. Diplomats and dissidents, however, said the death toll was much higher.
Pinheiro said the authorities gave him post-mortem reports on 14 people whose bodies had been sent from Yangon General Hospital to be cremated. He said the 15th known fatality in the crackdown was Japanese journalist Kenji Nagai, who was shot dead by security forces.
Pinheiro was allowed to meet with several prominent political prisoners at Yangon's infamous Insein Prison during his trip. He described the facility, which holds about 10,000 prisoners, as being "old and overcrowded."
The government has said it detained almost 3,000 people during crackdown and that most of them have been released, but many prominent political activists remain in custody.
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ASEAN rejects US senate's call to suspend Myanmar
'It's like you as a parent, if you have a troubled child, do you say, 'Go to the sanitarium, go out of the house, I don't want to talk to you?' said ASEAN secretary-general Ong Keng Yong (above). -- PHOTO: AFP
I see no similarity between his parent-child analogy and the Burmese junta-people situation.
He should have empathy for the Burmese people while the juntas are mistreating them. His belief of more intensified dialogue is - what the critics called ASEAN - just a little more than a talk shop. -
Burma has decided to slap us in the face again.
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Myanmar rejects calls to include Suu Kyi in reforms
NAYPYIDAW - MILITARY-ruled Myanmar on Monday brushed off mass pro-democracy protests as 'trivial' and refused to include detained opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi in its own plodding reform plans.
Top officials spoke to reporters at the first press conference since the military staged a deadly crackdown on protests in September, leaving at least 15 dead and 3,000 jailed, according to a UN envoy.
Buddhist monks and former student leaders led the protests in the main city of Yangon and in provincial towns around the country, in the biggest challenge to military rule in nearly two decades.
But Information Minister Brigadier General Kyaw Hsan brushed off the protests as the work of 'bogus' monks organised by exiled dissidents and the United States.
'It is found with sound evidence that ex-convicted bogus monks got joined with anti-government groups inside and outside the country,' he said.
'Those unrests and violence, not participated by the majority of the people and the majority of monks, have been put under control,' he said.
National police chief Khin Yi said the protesters had hoped to overthrow the government.
'The demonstrations and protests were planned and conspired months ahead to topple the government,' Mr Khin Yi told reporters.
He accused a non-government organisation called the Forum for Democracy in Burma of working with exiled dissidents to orchestrate the protests, and said the US embassy had also helped train the activists.
'The American Centre held a three-day training course on infiltrating and organising the public,' he said.
'The uprisings dissolved within a very short time frame simply because the general public did not take part and our security forces were able to make pre-emptive strikes,' he added.
The crackdown drew international condemnation and demands for Myanmar to make democratic reforms and to free Aung San Suu Kyi, who has spent 12 of the last 18 years under house arrest.
Self-styled 'road map'
But BG Kyaw Hsan rejected those calls, saying the junta would stick to its own self-styled 'road map' to democracy.
A 54-member panel appointed by the junta began work on Monday on drafting a new constitution, which the regime says will eventually lead to elections.
A National Convention of delegates also chosen by the military wrapped up 14 years of talks in September, laying out principles to be enshrined in the new charter.
There is no timeline for completing the charter, and BG Kyaw Hsan ruled out any role for Aung San Suu Kyi or her National League for Democracy (NLD) party, which won elections in a landslide victory in 1990 but was never allowed to govern.
'No assistance or advice from other persons is required,' he said, adding that no changes to the National Convention's work would be considered.
'It is not reasonable or fair to amend those principles adopted by the delegates,' he said.
Since the crackdown, the United States and the European Union have toughened sanctions on Myanmar to push the regime to open a dialogue on democracy.
Prisoners released
State media said late on Monday that 8,585 prisoners had been released to mark the end of the National Convention, but the NLD said only 10 of the estimated 1,800 dissidents detained here were among them.
In hopes of defusing the global pressure, the junta appointed a liaison officer to coordinate contacts with Aung San Suu Kyi.
The person chosen, Aung Kyi, told the press conference that his three meetings with the Nobel peace prize winner had yielded 'positive developments,' but he declined to elaborate.
The top US diplomat in Yangon, Shari Villarosa, warned on Friday that the new constitution would have no international credibility unless the military brought the NLD and other political groups into the process.
'If they can somehow open it up so that there is more debate and it looks more representative, then it will gain more international acceptability,' she told reporters in Bangkok.
'If they continue on the track that they are on, without any changes whatsoever, it will have no credibility,' she said. -- AFP
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bogus monks?sheesh...I'd call the junta a bogus government