Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders
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There might be a problem.Originally posted by happieman:Yes, PRP go straight to the point. But what point?
gays want to be gays.. and staight continue to be straight ... what is the problem here ?
The law currently does not accord the same protection to men as women. This is because the law has not kept up with the sexual revolution. Last time homosexuality was considered abnormal, unnatural etc. so there wasn't any need to enact laws to protect men.
Now, if homosexuality has the same status as heterosexuality, then shouldn't the definition of rape and molest be expanded to cover homosexual acts as well?
So let's say if I'm in the male toilet and some guy touches my backside, or if I kenna mugged in a dark alley and backside kenna poked, then it should be outrage of modesty and rape respectively. -
Homo sex doesn't concern me.But does it concern u?Originally posted by happieman:Gay be gay, and straight be straight .. extremists like you keep suppressing gays.. and making lots of funny comments when they didn't even interfere your business...
this is similarly like ..i making this statement ..
"I don't like your mother wearing black inside her today.. and should not be allowed..etc.. as this is only for sexy young ladies"
you may ask .. "mind your own business .. and what's your problem .."
U call me extremist.If I were an extremist,i would suggest punish all geys with flogging..
I argue this subject for fun (or interest).So would u debate this topic in good spirit? -
The difference in attitudes
For those who oppose homo,we argue for fun or out of interest.We speak honestly and the turth and for the good of the society.
For geys & pro-homo ppl,I believe many of them have self interest or selfish motive -- Stupidissmart is not one of them.So u can see some of them use bullying tactics,insults and calling others names.They are angry because they don't want to hear the truth.Of course,they know what the truth is.The truth hurts. -
man some time ago I read in a book about genetics that homosexuality is essential to the overall development of the society... can't really remember what the book's title is but I found it in Toa Payoh library... it went on with a theory called selfish genes or something and that most gays are naturally born with their inclination, they were attracted to other boys since they were little and that they don't necessarily need to be effiminates. It also said that some animals practice homosexuality. ok I gave my two cents worth about that but if you ask me kids these days are being ghey just cuz its the trend and they wanna try "best of the both worlds". if you ask me I'm not a big fan of gheyness but I would'nt wanna waste my time and effort hating them. If someone wants to be ghey its their problem so long its consensual. But some fags wanna get poked, then they get sore and decide it was'nt as shiok as it was then they complain say they kenna taken advantage. its a grey area, I don't condone it but I'm not gonna voice out my intolerance of it.
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Truth is homosexuality is a perversion.
Sexual orientation, genetics, freedom of expression, is all bull.
It is a perversion that is being coerced into normalcy, systematically and by design.
Frankly how two consenting adults get their sexual kicks in the privacy of their homes, is their own business.
But the problem is they want this perversion to be 'accepted'.
Just because some animals do it, do not justify humans doing it too. Those animals are just as sick, psychologically. There are some creatures that are hermaprodite, these do not count as homosexuality.
They can shack up among themselves, but do not shout out to the world that they are normal.
Weddings, marriage, public displays, nice guys behaviour, are all shouts that they are not perverts.
They shout because they know themselves to be perverts. -
Incest can give birth to defect children, yes, but so can sex with an AIDS partner. Incest can lead to defect babies, but note that incest is not the act of creating babies.
If u ask me, I felt tat there should be a law tat made it necessary for people who had AIDs to tell their sexual partner (must be sober and of the right frame of mind) before they commit the act itself. I am not in favour of allowing incest because it cause defect children, and I am pro legislation to force person with AIDs to be legally bound to inform their sexual partner tat they have AIDs before they commit the act.
Like the reasoning made by homosexuals, a sexual relationship is a private affair between two people. Why should the law be bothered by it?
The point is that throwing away any religious argument, there isn't any compelling reason to ban incest.
Now I don't find incest similar to homosexual and there is less compelling reason to ban homosexual. Wat say u ? U want to start a petition to ask the gov to force AIDs people to inform their sexual partner of their diesease ? I will sign tat one because it is the right thing to do.When u compare homo sex as tea & coffee,u are saying it is morally right or good as hetero sex is.Why didn't u liken homo sex as a contaminated drink in your anology?Your anology is saying homo is morally right but u still claim it is no right or wrong.Your logics fails.
I am trying to tell u it is a personal choice in the end.
Furthermore I have already explained in the reply on 03 December 2007 · 11:58 PM
Furthermore if they wanna drink some exotic drink which u think is spoilt, wat has it got to do with u ? Smelly toufu is really spoilt tofu but people like to eat it. Who r u to stop them ?
And why should homo be labelled as spoilt drink ? Wat physical justification did u use ? Then wat about monk and catholic father ? Given your analogy, they r spoilt drink too isn't it ?Homo can lead to promiscuity,then promiscuity lead to higher chances of geting AIDS.
Tat is ridiculous. All sex lead to promiscuity. Banned sex and doomed the human population ?Truth is homosexuality is a perversion.
Prove it.
Sexual orientation, genetics, freedom of expression, is all bull.Frankly how two consenting adults get their sexual kicks in the privacy of their homes, is their own business.
The issue is gays r legally banned in singapore. It is not about being accepted. It is about being illegal. Nobody is fighting for a case where gays have the right to make public statement or advertise on TV or showing obscenities around. I think the case is some people want to push their stand tat gays r abnormal and ban them from living the same space as them.
But the problem is they want this perversion to be 'accepted'.Just because some animals do it, do not justify humans doing it too. Those animals are just as sick, psychologically. There are some creatures that are hermaprodite, these do not count as homosexuality.
Then how do u justify the word "normal" ? Mother nature shows homosexuality is common by having lot of animals being homosexual. U say man is different and use morals, psyhology, human customs which r "man made" and "artificial" as reasons to be "normal" ?
They can shack up among themselves, but do not shout out to the world that they are normal. -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite
Please don't confuse hermaphrodites with homosexuality. -
WHere's the moderator when you need one?
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I would like to ask the moderator if hate speech is allowed in this forum. I believe we are treading on dangerous waters as we continue with this thread. If you ask me, this is a time bomb ticking off slowly with potentially grave consequence waiting to ignite.
Is the moderator even reading this thread at all? -
You said it .. and i heard that ...Originally posted by PRP:Homo sex doesn't concern me.But does it concern u?
U call me extremist.If I were an extremist,i would suggest punish all geys with flogging..
I argue this subject for fun (or interest).So would u debate this topic in good spirit?
But .... do you feel the same ?
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you have raised a point .. at least i feel u r objective .. not like some other extremist/s ...Originally posted by Icemoon:There might be a problem.
The law currently does not accord the same protection to men as women. This is because the law has not kept up with the sexual revolution. Last time homosexuality was considered abnormal, unnatural etc. so there wasn't any need to enact laws to protect men.
Now, if homosexuality has the same status as heterosexuality, then shouldn't the definition of rape and molest be expanded to cover homosexual acts as well?
So let's say if I'm in the male toilet and some guy touches my backside, or if I kenna mugged in a dark alley and backside kenna poked, then it should be outrage of modesty and rape respectively.
however i do feel that your points are not fully logical .. (not as an offence)
even if law does not approve homosexuality ... there are always geys around you whereever you go .. you can;t change the fact, can you ? And this has some negative implication .. e.g. some closeted gays will get married with women .. isn't this married wife a poor thing ?
and if your concern is to protect the straight guys from being harassed .. then you should voice out or fight for a law to protect yourself or other straight guys ... but not disappove homosexualtiy.. make sense ?
so now the point is not about to protect yourself or not .. now the point is when others want to be gays and they are not interfering your life ... do you still going to interfere into their lifestyle and discriminate them ? -
Originally posted by PRP:
Again .... let's medidate together again on ...
[b]The difference in attitudes
For those who oppose homo,we argue for fun or out of interest.We speak honestly and the turth and for the good of the society.
For geys & pro-homo ppl,I believe many of them have self interest or selfish motive -- Stupidissmart is not one of them.So u can see some of them use bullying tactics,insults and calling others names.They are angry because they don't want to hear the truth.Of course,they know what the truth is.The truth hurts.
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Your words Vs. The truth -
Very correct viewpoint!Why didn't Happie say u were an extremist?Originally posted by mancha:Truth is homosexuality is a perversion.
Sexual orientation, genetics, freedom of expression, is all bull.
It is a perversion that is being coerced into normalcy, systematically and by design.
Frankly how two consenting adults get their sexual kicks in the privacy of their homes, is their own business.
But the problem is they want this perversion to be 'accepted'.
Just because some animals do it, do not justify humans doing it too. Those animals are just as sick, psychologically. There are some creatures that are hermaprodite, these do not count as homosexuality.
They can shack up among themselves, but do not shout out to the world that they are normal.
Weddings, marriage, public displays, nice guys behaviour, are all shouts that they are not perverts.
They shout because they know themselves to be perverts.
The geys here shout because they to follow the Western geys. -
To pro-gey members:
Which action of man besides homo sex is neither good nor bad? -
SIS,
U say homo is a personal choice.That means a person can choose homosex or heterosex.That also mean homo sex is good too.Otherwise,how can it be a rational choice?Do u say homo sex is good? -
Last time i asked u whether u had a selfish motive in speaking on this topic,u didn't reply.Would u reply the question?Originally posted by happieman:Again .... let's medidate together again on ...
Your words Vs. The truth -
U say homo is a personal choice.That means a person can choose homosex or heterosex.
Whether a person choose steve or eve is personal. I think the word "choose" is not technically correct because common belief is homosexual is inbornThat also mean homo sex is good too.Otherwise,how can it be a rational choice?Do u say homo sex is good?
Why must u try to split everything into good or bad Wat is good or not is subjective. Is drinking beer good ? Is eating oily and fatty food good ? Is taking more plastic bags during shopping good ? Is fasting to lose weight good ? Com'on... there r many things tat depend on the individual and r subjective. It is not good or bad or right or wrong, it all depend on who u r and the circumstances. In the above questions, it can be good or bad depending on the person who is doing it. -
Yes, good or bad sometimes depend on the situations.But there are obective standards for an act too.
Drinking bear can be considered good because the drink is good for the body.Of course drinking too much can be bad.
I've explained to u homo sex is not inborn but an willful act. -
Yes, good or bad sometimes depend on the situations.But there are obective standards for an act too.
How can u conclude homo is not inborn
Drinking bear can be considered good because the drink is good for the body.Of course drinking too much can be bad.
I've explained to u homo sex is not inborn but an willful act. Prove it. I have been issuing tis challenge for many times. EVen the pope cannot prove it, U can ?
U say it is "objective" standard. Then tell me based on wat grounds u say it is wrong ? If this homosexual become happy with his partner, then it is consider good. Why force them to lead lonely and unfulfilling life ? -
I can simply reply anything you say with "prove it".Originally posted by stupidissmart:How can u conclude homo is not inborn Prove it. I have been issuing tis challenge for many times. EVen the pope cannot prove it, U can ?
U say it is "objective" standard. Then tell me based on wat grounds u say it is wrong ? If this homosexual become happy with his partner, then it is consider good. Why force them to lead lonely and unfulfilling life ?
Prove it.
See how easy it is.
You have a stand, so be it,
And if others have a stand different from yours, let it be.
Gays are not banned in Singapore. They are not forciblely deported or locked away. (Prove it?). Their attempt to introduce their activities openly and thereby seeking to have them accepted as normal or ordinary is restricted. Thats all.
You say gays are banned. (Prove it. Ha Ha)
Come on give your opinion, your arguments, your 2 cents worth.
Homosexuality is a psychological phenomena. Its been on and off the psychological disorder list, is on in some places, is off in some other places.
So the pope can't prove anything one way or another.
So give your own opinion, from the best of your knowledge, unless of course you don't have one of your own, and will only accept authorities. -
Gays are not banned in Singapore. They are not forciblely deported or locked away. (Prove it?). Their attempt to introduce their activities openly and thereby seeking to have them accepted as normal or ordinary is restricted. Thats all.
U want me to prove it ? Read Section 377A of the penal code.
You say gays are banned. (Prove it. Ha Ha)
Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or abets the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years.
Tat is the proof. Legally speaking, gays can be jailed which is forcibly locked away. From the viewpoint of the law, they r banned. Gay sex is criminalised. If tat is not considered banned, then singapore also did not ban chewing gums.
Now since u cannot prove gay is not inborn, then why resort to bigotry ? -
You call that proof?
You have any idea how lame it is. -
You call that proof?
We r talking about law, and it is written in the penal code in black and white. There is not clearer evidence than tis. If tat is not proof then wat is proof ?
You have any idea how lame it is. -
I ask again: Why are hetrosexual acts automatically right/good?
Why can't you think of (homo)/(hetro)sexuality as neither good nor bad? Must you automatically place a value judgment?
I quoth myself:And PRP, HETRO SEX IS NOT MORALLY GOOD. Get rid of this assumption NOW. Both sexual orientations are as equally valid as coffee or tea. Why, just because one kind produces offspring and the other doesn't automatically qualifies it as 'good'? I can say that homo sex is more moral in current society as Earth does not need more humans stripping it of resources.
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To all the sane people in this thread who are aware of the concept of individual rights, just stop posting here and leave these moral police (mobs) to themseves to suckle on each others misguided ideas and leave them to find joy and comfort in each others embrace.
Let's see how long these hypocrites can keep this thread going.