Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders
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The law can't stop ppl from having sex,hetero or homo one,in their privacy.Geys need not justify their sexual behavior is right.In fact,it is not right and most ppl think so. Don't call for gey right,and nobody would bother them.
The law is stopping homosexual to have sex, in their privacy as well. And u need to justify gay sexual behavior wrong, because it is not wrong and u cannot prove otherwise. And gays never bother the others, it is the others bothering them -
It seems many members are interested in this topic.Originally posted by SBS3625D:Sure of the last statement?
Do u mean you want this debate stop?Tell u a trick,monologue can't last long.Only with debates, then it can drag on and on. -
The law has been there for so long.Tell me has there been anyone prosecuted for homosex in their privacy?Originally posted by stupidissmart:The law is stopping homosexual to have sex, in their privacy as well. And u need to justify gay sexual behavior wrong, because it is not wrong and u cannot prove otherwise. And gays never bother the others, it is the others bothering them
The law is difficult to enforce.So no need to worry if one has homosex in privacy. -
Originally posted by PRP:
I explain again why homo is wrong.It is wrong because:
1.The [b]natural instinct of sex is heterrosexual.Homo is against nature.
2.The natural purpose of sex is procreation.Homo sex can't achieve the purpose of sex.So it is against the nature.
3.Higher percentage (than heterosexauals') of local geys are infected with AIDS.
Heterosex in marriage is right & good because:
1.It follows the nature (natural instinct & purpose of sex).
2.It is a happiness (& responsibilty) to have babies and bringing them up
3.One can be taken care by his children when he is old.
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It seems many members are interested in this topic.
U r suggesting u want to have the last word
Do u mean you want this debate stop?Tell u a trick,monologue can't last long.Only with debates, then it can drag on and on.
Sorry to inform u but I have exceptional stamina on such thingsThe law has been there for so long.Tell me has there been anyone prosecuted for homosex in their privacy?
The law is present. It is already evidence it is illegal. Thus u cannot state tat homosexual can have sex in private because it is illegal to have sex in private
The law is difficult to enforce.So no need to worry if one has homosex in privacy.
for the rest of your reply, it has been replied before. U seemed to only come out with old points over and over again
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1.The natural instinct of sex is heterrosexual.Homo goes against nature.
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Nature shows animals r homosexual themselves. The nature instinct of sex is mixed.
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2.The natural purpose of sex is procreation.Homo sex can't achieve the purpose of sex.So it goes against the nature.
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The purpose of sex is also enjoyment. And most, and I mean 99% of the world population people in tis world have sex some time in their life simply for enjoyment. If tat is the case everybody is guilty. And u should state a law banning all contraceptives too
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3.Higher percentage (than heterosexauals') of local geys are infected with AIDS.
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So ? Higher percentage of car accidents r motorcyclists. So we should label it as dangerous and ban motorcycle ?
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1.It follows the nature (natural instinct & purpose of sex).
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True, But u cannot prove nature does not allow homosexual
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2.It is a joy to have babies and bringing them up
3.The children can look after their old parrents.
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Tell tat to the monks and catholic fathers. -
Of course its interesting.....Originally posted by PRP:It seems many members are interested in this topic.
Do u mean you want this debate stop?Tell u a trick,monologue can't last long.Only with debates, then it can drag on and on.
After all, if you know better, I AM gay. (happy)
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SIS,
Can u tell me whthher there have been homoseuxals prosecuted for having homosex in their privacy till now? -
But now it's different. The government EXPLICITLY SAYS that the law will not be enforced.Originally posted by PRP:The law has been there for so long.Tell me has there been anyone prosecuted for homosex in their privacy?
The law is difficult to enforce.So no need to worry if one has homosex in privacy.
So what next? The law on assault will not be enforced? That of murder? Of drug trafficking? Or horror of horrors, that of slander?
Having an ACTIVELY NON-ENFORCED law makes an extremely big mockery of Singapore's claws and constitution. It's not simply a matter of gay rights. -
The law has been there for so long.Tell me has there been anyone prosecuted for homosex in their privacy?
If the law is as useless as u mention, then why force it to exist ? U should be explaining why people repeal the law then.
The law is difficult to enforce.So no need to worry if one has homosex in privacy. -
do u mean u wouldn't want to answer stragiht to my above question because the answer is unfavourable to your viewpoint?Originally posted by PRP:SIS,
Can u tell me whether there have been homoseuxals prosecuted for having homosex in their privacy till now? -
slippery slope fallacy?Originally posted by rooki:But now it's different. The government EXPLICITLY SAYS that the law will not be enforced.
So what next? The law on assault will not be enforced? That of murder? Of drug trafficking? Or horror of horrors, that of slander?
Having an ACTIVELY NON-ENFORCED law makes an extremely big mockery of Singapore's claws and constitution. It's not simply a matter of gay rights.
does non enforcement of 377A lead to others?
In fact, the content of 377A hasn't really been enforced since 1965. Was our law and constitution mocked because of that? -
Fact is, our government is willing to bear the "mockery" of having a non enforced law. Even if the govt does not love gays, can anyone say the govt is all out to get them, like we are going all out to tekan drug traffickers, sex offenders, murderers etc.?Originally posted by PRP:SIS,
Can u tell me whthher there have been homoseuxals prosecuted for having homosex in their privacy till now?
So when we are arguing for the repeal, are we doing it for gays or the govt? :lol -
Who & what says that gays are not right? Do you know how shallow that makes you sound? When you said that 'most ppl think they are not right,' that doesn't make it turn into a fact when a lot of people think the same way.Originally posted by PRP:The law can't stop ppl from having sex,hetero or homo one,in their privacy.Geys need not justify their sexual behavior is right.In fact,it is not right and most ppl think so. Don't call for gey right,and nobody would bother them.
Terrorist always think that killing is right. So in your point of view, when lots of them thinks the same way, that makes them right?
And what about those countries who have already repeal the law? So they are wrong for doing that?
Don't you think that they are just willing to accept & respect that there are others who are different from them? -
you just unknowingly dug your own hole.Originally posted by Boy Stratus:Who & what says that gays are not right? Do you know how shallow that makes you sound? When you said that 'most ppl think they are not right,' that doesn't make it turn into a fact when a lot of people think the same way.
Terrorist always think that killing is right. So in your point of view, when lots of them thinks the same way, that makes them right?
if one day the majority wants 377A to be repealed, does that make them right? -
Not mocked then doesn't mean that it will not get mocked now. The world changes, and people are more enlightened now than in the past.Originally posted by Icemoon:slippery slope fallacy?
does non enforcement of 377A lead to others?
In fact, the content of 377A hasn't really been enforced since 1965. Was our law and constitution mocked because of that?
And also, how's the non-enforcement of 377A going to be? If a person shows the police photographic/video evidence of a homosexual act, is the police going to act on the evidence and arrest the perps?
If yes, where's your non-enforcement now?
If no, what is the bleeding point of the law? You might as well create laws to ban everything you don't like and that goes against your personal prejudices.
You're lucky I'm not in the legislative. I'd push for a 'non-enforceable' law banning all religion, seeing how religion can drive people to suicide bombings and the like, but yet do not want to alienate the religious.
You do realise your red herring about AIDS incidence and homosexuality bears a very close resemblance to this, do you? -
Originally posted by PRP:
Against nature? Animals are doing it. Humans are doing it. Hell, some animals can even change their 'sex' as & when they please.
I explain again why homo is wrong.It is wrong because:
1.The [b]natural instinct of sex is heterrosexual.Homo is against nature.
Things that you rarely see doesn't make it unnatural. Its just that people can't accept that THAT, is the fact of nature.2.The natural purpose of sex is procreation.Homo sex can't achieve the purpose of sex.So it is against the nature.
I think you mean ONE OF the purpose of sex is to procreate. If the purpose of every single sex are for the females to get pregnant, then why people find prostitutes? To get them pregnant?! People are just wanted to enjoy the moment of having sex duh!3.Higher percentage (than heterosexauals') of local geys are infected with AIDS.
Yea, it's totally okie for legal prostitutions but totally wrong for gays/les to fall in love, & have sex.Heterosex in marriage is right & good because:
I already explain the 1st point.
1.It follows the nature (natural instinct & purpose of sex).2.It is a happiness (& responsibilty) to have babies and bringing them up
Umm whats the point of bringing this up really. No gays/les gonna be like "okie lets turn heterosexual & start making babies!" even if this law is not repeal for another 100 years.
& if you are straight, even if this law is repeal, you won't be affected. Unless you are worried that you might.. you know
3.One can be taken care by his children when he is old.
One can adopt a child which 'responsible' heterosexual abandon too.
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What are you talking about. There is nothing wrong with them. So if majority wants it repeal, that doesn't make them suddenly right, because they are already right all along.Originally posted by Icemoon:you just unknowingly dug your own hole.
if one day the majority wants 377A to be repealed, does that make them right? -
wah .. qiang ci duo li?Originally posted by Boy Stratus:What are you talking about. There is nothing wrong with them. So if majority wants it repeal, that doesn't make them suddenly right, because they are already right all along.
then why can't PRP be right all along? -
Because he/she just mark out that people who are different from the majority are wrong. Not right.Originally posted by Icemoon:wah .. qiang ci duo li?
then why can't PRP be right all along?
That doesn't make it right. Treat people with respect, whether it's different races, religion, language or sexual preference.
Seriously, no need for all the debates. One day, IF your child happen to turn out to be a homosexual, what will you do. Force them to love someone they doesn't? Hate them? Tell straight in their face that they are wrong? Feel embarrass of yourself because the sexual preference of your child are different from 'normal' people? -
If you push for that non-enforceable law, what's the message you are driving across?Originally posted by rooki:If no, what is the bleeding point of the law? You might as well create laws to ban everything you don't like and that goes against your personal prejudices.
You're lucky I'm not in the legislative. I'd push for a 'non-enforceable' law banning all religion, seeing how religion can drive people to suicide bombings and the like, but yet do not want to alienate the religious.
If all religions are banned in the penal code, then does it make sense to allow the construction of religious buildings like temples, churches and mosques? -
Let's hear it from the horse mouth.Originally posted by Boy Stratus:Because he/she just mark out that people who are different from the majority are wrong. Not right.
That doesn't make it right. Treat people with respect, whether it's different races, religion, language or sexual preference.
PRP .. do you treat gays with respect? -
Then I ask, "you were not like that last time .. what happened?"Originally posted by Boy Stratus:Seriously, no need for all the debates. One day, IF your child happen to turn out to be a homosexual, what will you do. Force them to love someone they doesn't? Hate them? Tell straight in their face that they are wrong? Feel embarrass of yourself because the sexual preference of your child are different from 'normal' people? -
Then he/she will say... "I'm outta the closet!"Originally posted by Icemoon:Then I ask, "you were not like that last time .. what happened?"
Anyway are you gonna answer it seriously or we just leave it? -
Thank you for supporting me.Arguing agaisnt homo is a difficult 'work'!Originally posted by Icemoon:wah .. qiang ci duo li?
then why can't PRP be right all along?
Debating with these pro-gey ppl, the debate can continue until the cows come home
For geys,when they can't have hetero sex,they go for homosex.Front cannot,from the back.Perhaps pro-gey ppl aslo argue in similar way!
But really,i believe homosexual don't exist,only homosex existt.Do u agree?
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Honestly, very hard to answer. It depends on whether I belong to a religion and my outlook, and whether the child shares my religious conviction.Originally posted by Boy Stratus:Then he/she will say... "I'm outta the closet!"
Anyway are you gonna answer it seriously or we just leave it?
It is a good question, nontheless. You might not have a homosexual child, but it is possible your child is autistic. Or born with Down Syndrome. Or born with that funny disease where you will shout and scream for no apparent reason.
Seriously I will be more worried with the latter cases. At least a normal gay can survive in society; whether the child with Down Syndrome can survive and even find a bf/gf or not is still question mark.