Looks like its getting really serious....
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... and this is not even about crashes... this is about "main street"... this will not just hurt the markets... this has a very high possibility of exposing the the worse effects of cronyism and despotism... this has a very high possibility of hurting you badly...
HO JINX is losing Singaporeans money from GST, ERP, COE, HDB ...!
Only an JINXED family will marry a JINX and use cronyism to put the JINX into that position...
The treacherous acts of the depots in putting Singaporeans into debt by their Pay and Pay policies might just collapse the nation.... while they had immunized themselves with the massive amounts of public money they take for their salaries...
The propaganda press will tell you that it is the sub-prime crisis and so on and refuse to show you how the JINXED family is at fault... be wise... stop being silliporeans... -
... and take at least the medium term and the medium to long term outlook... very short term outlooks are volatile...
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Andrew there is no point telling us you are smart by reporting DowJones and yesterday news because my notebook and internet connection is already capable for feeding me more accurate and timely information.
If you want to show us how smart an investor you are, let me ask you.
a) Suppose if your running a investment company that manage $100m worth of fund. Am I right to say that since July 2007 (as you claim is the time have predicted the market will crash)you would have already exit the stock market?
b) Suppose if Yes. What will you be doing with the $100m worth of funds?
c) Suppose your answer is NO, will you be able to tell us which are the stock which you will continue to hold starting from today (reason I asking starting from today is because I know you will dig out the best performing stocks from the last 3 months and say thats your prediction)
Over to you Andrew!! -
... only stupid people will look at 5 day charts to do analysis..
... take the opinions of idiots if you want... I am just sharing my views as part of my work at www.casinogamblingprevention.com -
good coolie... bumpz up my threads regularly...
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I am still laughing at your 16th Nov 12.20pm post which prediction that mother of all black mondays will strike on 19th Nov 2007. (see below for original version)Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:... yesterday you had a big laugh telling everyone that I was wrong... meaning? You are laughing at my analytical skills... meaning? ... when I am right, it is due to my superior analytical skills... PWNED!
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=290788&page=4
And your attempt to edit the same post on 17th Nov 2007 10am morning after reading DowJones recovered some of the loses on Friday 16th Nov (17th Nov Singapore time)
Orginal post was dated 16 Nov 2007.
I am not sure what anal skill you are talking about.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:WATCH OUT PEOPLE!
This coming Monday might the mother of Black Mondays - hope it doesn't happen! -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Andrew you are worries about the capital reserve in the World Bank, CPF and the MAS or you are worry about the Property Assets and the stock equity that GIC and Temasek Holding is managing internally and exterally?
... and this is not even about crashes... this is about "main street"... this will not just hurt the markets... this has a very high possibility of [b]exposing the the worse effects of cronyism and despotism... this has a very high possibility of hurting you badly...
HO JINX is losing Singaporeans money from GST, ERP, COE, HDB ...!
Only an JINXED family will marry a JINX and use cronyism to put the JINX into that position...
The treacherous acts of the depots in putting Singaporeans into debt by their Pay and Pay policies might just collapse the nation.... while they had immunized themselves with the massive amounts of public money they take for their salaries...
The propaganda press will tell you that it is the sub-prime crisis and so on and refuse to show you how the JINXED family is at fault... be wise... stop being silliporeans... [/b]
One thing for sure, u power sia. Kana corner by so many pple in the forums and still you can manage all the topic you post.
Support Dr Chee!
Support SDP!
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
GST, ERP, COE and HDB
... and this is not even about crashes... this is about "main street"... this will not just hurt the markets... this has a very high possibility of [b]exposing the the worse effects of cronyism and despotism... this has a very high possibility of hurting you badly...
HO JINX is losing Singaporeans money from GST, ERP, COE, HDB ...!
Only an JINXED family will marry a JINX and use cronyism to put the JINX into that position...
The treacherous acts of the depots in putting Singaporeans into debt by their Pay and Pay policies might just collapse the nation.... while they had immunized themselves with the massive amounts of public money they take for their salaries...
The propaganda press will tell you that it is the sub-prime crisis and so on and refuse to show you how the JINXED family is at fault... be wise... stop being silliporeans... [/b]
You list out 4 avenues of money for government over which the citizens have no ownership over. So really, what the fuck are you talking about.
As a citizen of Singapore, that money does not belong to you. It belongs to the government to provide services for you. Is your house crumbling down? Are your streets clogged with rubbish? Any major cracks in your road? No? Schools overcrowded? No teachers? No?
The government has provided what it promised based on it's taxes. How it invests that money is irrelavant to you as a citizen as long as it delivers what it promises. -
actually, a 5 day chart is more than suffecient evidence to disprove a theory that the market will crash on a specific week.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:... only stupid people will look at 5 day charts to do analysis..
... take the opinions of idiots if you want... I am just sharing my views as part of my work at www.casinogamblingprevention.com -
Doesn't take much to repeat stuff. He's cornered with questions he can't answer, so he pretends to ignore them in favor of repeating his ridiculous remarks.Originally posted by Mitell:Andrew you are worries about the capital reserve in the World Bank, CPF and the MAS or you are worry about the Property Assets and the stock equity that GIC and Temasek Holding is managing internally and exterally?
One thing for sure, u power sia. Kana corner by so many pple in the forums and still you can manage all the topic you post.
Support Dr Chee!
Support SDP! -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Oh it's easy to say things now when you're comfortably living in your HDB flat. Talk about how the despicable rulers are ruining your life. Back when Singapore was struggling, you weren't the one sweating it out trying to get it on it's feet. You weren't there when the tough decisions had to be made. Who are you, really to judge?
... and this is not even about crashes... this is about "main street"... this will not just hurt the markets... this has a very high possibility of [b]exposing the the worse effects of cronyism and despotism... this has a very high possibility of hurting you badly...
HO JINX is losing Singaporeans money from GST, ERP, COE, HDB ...!
Only an JINXED family will marry a JINX and use cronyism to put the JINX into that position...
The treacherous acts of the depots in putting Singaporeans into debt by their Pay and Pay policies might just collapse the nation.... while they had immunized themselves with the massive amounts of public money they take for their salaries...
The propaganda press will tell you that it is the sub-prime crisis and so on and refuse to show you how the JINXED family is at fault... be wise... stop being silliporeans... [/b]
Every government makes good decisions and bad decisions. Ours has served us well so far. Do you REALLY have anything of substance to complain of? Please, stop talking about temasek. That money doesn't belong to you/us. Don't try to incite riots out of misinformation. You're concerned you don't have enough money to spend? Maybe that's because you need to start taking out that money out of the tin can underneath your bed. Or better yet, get a job. -
read from MAS, it was more then 160 billions. dont know is that total of every thing including CPF, GIC, Temasek or they are of diff grouping amount. if they dont add up and only just a portion of it then i think that a lotsa of money. too bad they dont belong to me
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Doesn't really matter what it's made up of. As long as the government can fulfill it's end of the bargain to give you that certain ROI in your CPF, how it does it is not your concern.Originally posted by Mitell:read from MAS, it was more then 160 billions. dont know is that total of every thing including CPF, GIC, Temasek or they are of diff grouping amount. if they dont add up and only just a portion of it then i think that a lotsa of money. too bad they dont belong to me
Don't mix up sentiments of the government with an investment gone south. This is just a dip in their portfolio. If it were any other investment firm, you wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. -
Government money does not belong to the people?Originally posted by deathbait:GST, ERP, COE and HDB
You list out 4 avenues of money for government over which the citizens have no ownership over. So really, what the fuck are you talking about.
As a citizen of Singapore, that money does not belong to you. It belongs to the government to provide services for you. Is your house crumbling down? Are your streets clogged with rubbish? Any major cracks in your road? No? Schools overcrowded? No teachers? No?
The government has provided what it promised based on it's taxes. How it invests that money is irrelavant to you as a citizen as long as it delivers what it promises.
You must be an escapee from IMH.... -
hmmm an escapee from IMH, no wonder you issued me your cowardly threat...
It is pointless to reply to any of your post!
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yup, it doesnt really matter to meOriginally posted by deathbait:Doesn't really matter what it's made up of. As long as the government can fulfill it's end of the bargain to give you that certain ROI in your CPF, how it does it is not your concern.
Don't mix up sentiments of the government with an investment gone south. This is just a dip in their portfolio. If it were any other investment firm, you wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.
let wait for TS to reply -
he said the government's money does not belong to the people... and he issued me a threat in another thread... I think he is an escapee from IMH... so I will be ignoring him and he can go on his delusional trips and post anything he wants.... for all I care...Originally posted by Mitell:yup, it doesnt really matter to me
let wait for TS to reply -
Yes, I know of your concern after what you have seem and have experience but what can we do beside supporting Dr CheeOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:he said the government's money does not belong to the people... and he issued me a threat in another thread... I think he is an escapee from IMH... so I will be ignoring him and he can go on his delusional trips and post anything he wants.... for all I care...
Maybe it is not as bad as what you think
relax bro -
don't confuse supporting a political activity with facts. And for the last time Andrew, stop confusing a gentleman's warning with the actual threat.Originally posted by Mitell:Yes, I know of your concern after what you have seem and have experience but what can we do beside supporting Dr Chee
Maybe it is not as bad as what you think
relax bro
Here's my reply to the same concern on the other thread:Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
erm, no it doesn't?
Government money does not belong to the people?
Shocked
You must be an escapee from IMH....
It is pointless to reply to any of your post!
But it's easy to think so, which is why i'm going to politely explain it to you now.
When we pay our taxes(COE/ERP/GST/etc), we do so with the understanding that this money goes to the government in exchange for their commitment to keep the society running and the country well, basically healthy.
Compare this to any service provider if you will. What they do with the money has nothing to do with you, as long as they fulfill their commitment to provide you with the service.
Same thing goes for the government's finances. As long as you have no real thing to complain about the country, it's doing it's job. Are many Singaporeans homeless? Are the roads and streets clean/kept in usable condition? Are your children getting an education? The government has fulfilled it's commitment to the public. How the money is used is not your problem, unless they start failing to hold their end of the promise.
So what are your complaints about the investments temasek made that are losing money? Is it that you're losing money too? That's not true. It does not affect you at all, unless you find the government cutting corners, like closing down schools, or cleaning the streets twice a year.
I know the taxes have been increased lately. That has nothing to do with the government losing money in investments. So please, don't even think of drawing a correlation between the two. -
also, Andrew
It is customary to concede defeat if you cannot come up with suitable counters to an argument. Not so much the tactic of calling someone a madman and misquoting him. -
I am saying that the government has so much money because they have been taking it from the majority of Singaporeans by putting them into debt among other things...Originally posted by Mitell:Andrew you are worries about the capital reserve in the World Bank, CPF and the MAS or you are worry about the Property Assets and the stock equity that GIC and Temasek Holding is managing internally and exterally?
One thing for sure, u power sia. Kana corner by so many pple in the forums and still you can manage all the topic you post.
Support Dr Chee!
Support SDP!
A major downturn would hit people indebted much more than people with less debt. It is in the interest of the political party to put people into debt but it is not in the interest of the people. This policy of taking as much money from the people as possible should be stopped.
Secondly, this money belongs to the people and it is natural that the people should demand accountability and transparency with what they are doing with it. -
It can become very bad... it is better not to be complacent... taking precautions does not mean that you cannot relax... you can relax better if you have taken the necessary precautions...Originally posted by Mitell:Yes, I know of your concern after what you have seem and have experience but what can we do beside supporting Dr Chee
Maybe it is not as bad as what you think
relax bro
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ok ok i dont support Dr Chee alreadyOriginally posted by deathbait:erm, no it doesn't?
But it's easy to think so, which is why i'm going to politely explain it to you now.
When we pay our taxes(COE/ERP/GST/etc), we do so with the understanding that this money goes to the government in exchange for their commitment to keep the society running and the country well, basically healthy.
Compare this to any service provider if you will. What they do with the money has nothing to do with you, as long as they fulfill their commitment to provide you with the service.
Same thing goes for the government's finances. As long as you have no real thing to complain about the country, it's doing it's job. Are many Singaporeans homeless? Are the roads and streets clean/kept in usable condition? Are your children getting an education? The government has fulfilled it's commitment to the public. How the money is used is not your problem, unless they start failing to hold their end of the promise.
So what are your complaints about the investments temasek made that are losing money? Is it that you're losing money too? That's not true. It does not affect you at all, unless you find the government cutting corners, like closing down schools, or cleaning the streets twice a year.
I know the taxes have been increased lately. That has nothing to do with the government losing money in investments. So please, don't even think of drawing a correlation between the two.
can you just take a deep breath and cool down pls
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I'm not saying you can't support him. Just don't confuse support with blind following.Originally posted by Mitell:ok ok i dont support Dr Chee already
can you just take a deep breath and cool down pls
just relax bro
Also, I'm wrote that last post in a relatively calm manner in the hopes of getting you guys to understand how it works.
To Andrew :
This is a bigger thing than our squabble. You need to look at it objectively. The money is NOT yours. You'll never get it back. EVER. People put themselves in debt. Governments don't do that.
And if you're going to tell me that the system put in place to provide HDBs to people in exchange for a low interest rate loan is better than the alternative, massive homeless population, i am going to go down there right now to slap you silly.
You sitting in the comfort of your home can complain about it. How many people would be homeless if not for the HDB scheme? Do you know of poverty? Of people who would otherwise be definitely homeless?
It's not hard to see that people put themselves in debt. In fact, the government is pretty obviously trying to re-organise the system to increase variable tax over a blanket one.
COE : the really poor don't have to worry about this one.
ERP : ditto
income tax : poor, low tax, hello?
GST : hits the poor more than the rich, but that's a standard tax applied all over the world. The time to complain about it was a decade ago, not now. -
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Andrew there is no point telling us you are smart by reporting DowJones and yesterday news because my notebook and internet connection is already capable for feeding me more accurate and timely information.
If you want to show us how smart an investor you are, let me ask you.
a) Suppose if your running a investment company that manage $100m worth of fund. Am I right to say that since July 2007 (as you claim is the time have predicted the market will crash)you would have already exit the stock market?
b) Suppose if Yes. What will you be doing with the $100m worth of funds?
c) Suppose your answer is NO, will you be able to tell us which are the stock which you will continue to hold starting from today (reason I asking starting from today is because I know you will dig out the best performing stocks from the last 3 months and say thats your prediction)
Over to you Andrew!!