There were many complaints about this issue. However, so far, it is difficult to tell the difference between truth and fabrication. I can also arbitrarily write about 10 Singaporean professionally educated colleagues who got displaced by foreign talents simply because the foreign talents are much cheaper. In order to know the truth, I feel that Sg Forums might provide a information site where people could report facts. Please contribute the facts such as Date of dismissal, Company's name, (Singaporean's Surname and initial, Age, Salary, Years of working experience, sex), if possible Foreign Talent's information such as Surname and initial, Age, Salary, Years of working experience, sex.

Thank you and merry christmas.

Good luck waiting.

And waiting.

And waiting.

TS got nothing better to do.. if u think u r good and valuable to the company, u will not be afraid of all these foreign talents.

Originally posted by sLeEpWaLkErInG:

TS got nothing better to do.. if u think u r good and valuable to the company, u will not be afraid of all these foreign talents.

you are wrong, buddies in professional jobs have been replaced because ft are cheaper to hire....take info tech industry, how superb must you be to hold off the cheaper indian and prc folks?.... you job is to maintain the systems, you do no wrong, but still you go, simply because you cost more and that you are liable for ns....so these buddies have taken to becoming property agents and one to taxi driving, and these are uni grads....in 40s and unlikely to find new positions, don't believe the golden period bs....

Originally posted by countdracula:

you are wrong, buddies in professional jobs have been replaced because ft are cheaper to hire....take info tech industry, how superb must you be to hold off the cheaper indian and prc folks?.... you job is to maintain the systems, you do no wrong, but still you go, simply because you cost more and that you are liable for ns....so these buddies have taken to becoming property agents and one to taxi driving, and these are uni grads....in 40s and unlikely to find new positions, don't believe the golden period bs....

I once work in a MNC b4, please understand you have the home ground advantage. Expats come and do not stay for long, i have a Jap colleague who was in charge of Japanese customers cannot accustomed to Singapore's lifestyle.

True they are cheaper in terms of without to pay them CPF, but do you know how much levy to pay for these ppl in order for them to work for you?
Many ppl are in the rat race, peer comparison at large. Workers tend to look more on what they can get from the company rather than what they can give to the company.

Globalisation has taken place and many are still frogs in the well, mergers are common to reduce similar trade competitions and to cut down cost. Only thing to do is to constantly upgrade yourself to be ahead of times and not to whine abt government is not taking care of you.

Sad to say, we are 'pampered'. i have heard of stories of living standards in Japan whereby the son has to carry on his father debts of housing loan. We are considered lucky to be able to have CPF to cover for this aspects.

The internet is a wonderful technology and do not use it just for the sake of meer entertainment, read wisely to expand your knowledge.

I believe it is industry related.

Fact is, the number of foreigners + PRs exceed the number of Singaporeans in the total labour force in Singapore (1.16 : 1), but a certain forumer continued not to accept this fact, and in fact, took it as a form of an attack, which I have no idea why.

Fact is, public service, the largest employer in Singapore, employ mostly Singaporeans, and thus, how would one expect a high ratio of Sgreans working in other companies? Yet a certain forumer failed to accept this point and decide to use his wonderful amount of working experience as a backing to his baseless claim.

Fact is, my calculations has shown at least a 96% employment rate of citizens, assuming 100% employment of foreigners + PRs, and as explained earlier, it is highly likely that a high proportion is in government agencies (SAF, GIC, DSO, MINDEF, etc, etc). Thus the normal observations of more foreigners in private companies. However, a certain forumer would continue to correct me that many foreigners are indeed snatching locals of their jobs because he has seen 3 companies, one of which has 20 employees, and in total

Fact is, there are certainly loopholes here and there for employers to exploit such that it seems like they have a good citizen to foreigners ratio on paper, yet in actual fact more foreigners than normal. Thus the averages in the statistics can sometimes mislead, and these loopholes are the main thing that is worth discussing. Yet a certain forumer would continue to harp on the statistics, and not why the numbers could be screwed up due to these loopholes.

Fact is, there are indeed Singaporeans who were displaced by cheaper foreign talents from China and India. Yet imagine, Singapore was a country that relied on foreign workers since its founding. Have our ancestors not also displaced the original "inhabitants" of the land of Singapore too?

Fact is, even if you do go abroad to work, there are 2 things that can happened. Firstly, you could too get displaced by cheaper workers from India and China too; they migrate everywhere. Secondly, you will also be regarded as a foreigner that displaced a local of his/her work; you are doing exactly the same thing that you have despised.

Fact is, if you have the real ability, you would be able to rise up in this sea of foreign workers. With the real ability, you could lead them in work, instead of competing with them for work. Manage them. Get them to do the work for you. Why compete in an area they have an advantage of? Know your advantages, and make full use of them to have an edge. The never ending problem occurs when people only think linearly of competing in an area without any advantage.

Sigh.........

wait

are you telling me companies are replacing local talent with foreign talent because they are cheaper?

WHAT AN OUTRAGE!

It's almost as if the companies WANT to make more money.

Seriously, if you can't compete on price, you have to compete in skill. If you lack the skill to compete in that manner, I fail to see why you should feel bad about a pay cut.

Originally posted by deathbait:

wait

are you telling me companies are replacing local talent with foreign talent because they are cheaper?

WHAT AN OUTRAGE!

It's almost as if the companies WANT to make more money.

Seriously, if you can't compete on price, you have to compete in skill. If you lack the skill to compete in that manner, I fail to see why you should feel bad about a pay cut.

Here we go again. The Employers/FTs mindsets vs the Employees/Locals mindsets.

can somebody tell our taxi uncle better wake up their f**king ideas... if they continue to be ya-ya (such as reject to take passengers while their cabs are empty, wait for on-call, reject to go far far ulu areas...) their rice-bowls will sonner or later got snatched by FTs... then what can they do? keep bowls in food court, sweep floor, toliet cleaner, ah-long, suck c-ock

read the MOM website for more info.

For example, the number of foreign workers my company can now employ is 3:1 which is 3 local who are contributing CPF is to 1 foreign worker who we need to pay levy for.

If u are talking abt construction industry or domestic industry, ask yourself if u wanna be construction worker or a maid. A huge pie of the so called "foreign talent" falls into this category, and these are facts, what you have mentioned of those PRCs or Indian nationals are just the tip of the icebergs.

2 cents.

Originally posted by Daddy!!:

There were many complaints about this issue. However, so far, it is difficult to tell the difference between truth and fabrication. I can also arbitrarily write about 10 Singaporean professionally educated colleagues who got displaced by foreign talents simply because the foreign talents are much cheaper. In order to know the truth, I feel that Sg Forums might provide a information site where people could report facts. Please contribute the facts such as Date of dismissal, Company's name, (Singaporean's Surname and initial, Age, Salary, Years of working experience, sex), if possible Foreign Talent's information such as Surname and initial, Age, Salary, Years of working experience, sex.

Thank you and merry christmas.

suggestion :

1. conduct a public survey along orchard road. this should be legal.
2. participants in the survey need to be verified by i/c to guarantee unique responds and no duplication of votes or comments.

3. this might serve as petition or something like that. Very convincing way. almost official.

4. minimal cost involved. fast responds and can cover entire island (at all mrts) in 0.5 day.

who can stop people taking part in survey or conducting surveys?

Um isn't freign talent equivalent to snatching jobs in the very first place?

if a country depends on "local " or " not local ", instead of giving the jobs based on the talent... then the country is going to end up like.... Malayxxa....

so u want it like that ?

Originally posted by yongyong:

if a country depends on "local " or " not local ", instead of giving the jobs based on the talent... then the country is going to end up like.... Malayxxa....

so u want it like that ?

well, you statement is a sweeping one.

its like saying a gun can be used to protect your life. So, it is allowed.

What is needed is

1. Transparency : news should publicise clear figures , not to say that it is not doing so. Sg Employment rate. Should it contain PRs in the statistics such that there is no clear view of how many are they? such that both citizens and PRs are clubbed into 1 employment rate?

2. accountability : how many sg jobs created went to sg'reans and how many to non.

3. Accuracy : suggest to have 2 employment rates : 1 . Employment rate of PRs. How many PRs are employed and how many not. 2. Employment rate of sg'reans. How many sg'reans are out of job now of how many employable.

I like to pose this question also to our world class statistics students, professors and academics to challenge their minds. How world class do you assume we can be?

Reddressman, as I have already told you, you should pose your question to the MP at the meet-the-people session.

Or you could go conduct a survey and give us the survey results.

Or you could go to singstats website to verify my calculations of at least 96% employment for locals.

Don't need to complain and complain like those gossipy housewives at the market and in the end do nothing else.

Originally posted by reddressman:

well, you statement is a sweeping one.

its like saying a gun can be used to protect your life. So, it is allowed.

What is needed is

1. Transparency : news should publicise clear figures , not to say that it is not doing so. Sg Employment rate. Should it contain PRs in the statistics such that there is no clear view of how many are they? such that both citizens and PRs are clubbed into 1 employment rate?

2. accountability : how many sg jobs created went to sg'reans and how many to non.

3. Accuracy : suggest to have 2 employment rates : 1 . Employment rate of PRs. How many PRs are employed and how many not. 2. Employment rate of sg'reans. How many sg'reans are out of job now of how many employable.

I like to pose this question also to our world class statistics students, professors and academics to challenge their minds. How world class do you assume we can be?

Ask the immigrations ? It is too easy for the average Indian/PRC to get PR.

Originally posted by NotFromVenus:

Ask the immigrations ? It is too easy for the average Indian/PRC to get PR.

In a democracy,

they people decides.

They have spoken.

Originally posted by reddressman:

In a democracy,

they people decides.

They have spoken.

In a democracy, the people decides.
But they must speak to the people that are voted in for things to happen, not speak among themselves.

These few days, I'm slightly inspired by the threads here, and I'm seriously considering to write the MAS essay for some of the views and opinions to be heard if I can have sufficient time to finish it.

Originally posted by deathbait:

wait

are you telling me companies are replacing local talent with foreign talent because they are cheaper?

WHAT AN OUTRAGE!

It's almost as if the companies WANT to make more money.

Seriously, if you can't compete on price, you have to compete in skill. If you lack the skill to compete in that manner, I fail to see why you should feel bad about a pay cut.

Yes. And let's not forget : it's a global world.

If you have a skill in demand , the company in Singapore cannot offer you a higher wage , then there might be companies in other countries which may offer you a higher wage if you are willing to move.

But of course proponents of the "youcannotcompete " theory will bash you to pieces on being a "quitter" and a "cannotmakeit" Singaporean when Singapore actually accepts foreign quitters herself.

Originally posted by fymk:

But of course proponents of the "youcannotcompete " theory will bash you to pieces on being a "quitter" and a "cannotmakeit" Singaporean when Singapore actually accepts foreign quitters herself.

Originally posted by Spartans:

Here we go again. The Employers/FTs mindsets vs the Employees/Locals mindsets.

What, because I understand the full picture, it makes me part of the "employer's side"?

I'm a humble employee fyi. But I take pride in my work, and as far as I know, my boss is not even thinking of replacing me with any kind of talent.

Originally posted by reddressman:

In a democracy,

they people decides.

They have spoken.

Ppl often don't realise this is not how democracies work.

The people decide WHO to make the decisions. That's all. The people don't actually decide on every single detail.

Originally posted by deathbait:

What, because I understand the full picture, it makes me part of the "employer's side"?

I'm a humble employee fyi. But I take pride in my work, and as far as I know, my boss is not even thinking of replacing me with any kind of talent.

don't be so confident... it's sooner or later

Originally posted by SBS3625D:

Um isn't freign talent equivalent to snatching jobs in the very first place?

Jobs you don't own can't be snatched from you. From the global perspective, you aren't ENTITLED to the jobs you hold now.

Originally posted by deathbait:

What, because I understand the full picture, it makes me part of the "employer's side"?

I'm a humble employee fyi. But I take pride in my work, and as far as I know, my boss is not even thinking of replacing me with any kind of talent.

Not exactly referring to u. I meant the whole thread is about Employers/FTs vs Employees/Local.