Complains complains complains.... Might as well go wet markets/coffee shops complain to the old uncles and aunties there...

But got simple solution mah:

You don't like the country, you leave the country. What's stopping you? But if you have left the country, why do you still want to come back to complain?
Complain can, but might higher quality complains... Not complains that come from 'evidence' from what you have experienced... Like that complain might as well go to Whinehouse to complain about your experiences... Not speaker's corner...

You like the country, you stay and make sure the government does its job properly by casting your votes properly. Or at least, give proper facts, research and analysis before an attempt to discredit the government.

There are a few attitudes in this forum (feel free to add on):
1) Only know how to complain but do nothing {not even some simple research to substantiate} (armchair general)
2) Complain without proper facts, evidence and research (baseless allegations)
3) Complain wrongly liao start personal attacks, which is out of point from the original thread (sore loser)

Fortunately, this forum is somewhat saved by a few rather good threads, although such threads do go out of point sometimes.

Sigh...

armchair critics loh….....

well said.

critics are the worst. Their purpose is to find fault in everything, a false sense of "high standards".

by saying the above statement, I'm guilty too. sigh

Hanor hanor.

Complain abt govt.

If u more competent then them.

go run for election la.

dun kpkb.

All talk no action.

when i enter sgf four years ago this place was ok, altho got flamings

now got trolls who dont directly respond to issues, and whiners who whine all day

i think we need a life

seriously if you really give a d@mn about politik just go run for it lor ..

Pot calling Kettle black!

nothing to do trying to add more fuel here rite?

pple r feeling disgrunted becos the government have let them down n making empty promises.

if TS cant take the majority views here, get the F outta here!

y care this is just a forum nothing personal

Originally posted by 798:

Pot calling Kettle black!

nothing to do trying to add more fuel here rite?

pple r feeling disgrunted becos the government have let them down n making empty promises.

if TS cant take the majority views here, get the F outta here!

if you seriously care about all those you shouldn't just be sitting between the k/b and chair whining, what you should do is take some action instead of being a NATO

Originally posted by 798:

Pot calling Kettle black!

nothing to do trying to add more fuel here rite?

pple r feeling disgrunted becos the government have let them down n making empty promises.

if TS cant take the majority views here, get the F outta here!

hey hey hey chill man.

I tink TS is talking especially about those who flames, argue without facts, just want-ing to win. I feel disgrunted too, but that doesn't mean I can say anything without justification.

Originally posted by 798:

Pot calling Kettle black!

nothing to do trying to add more fuel here rite?

pple r feeling disgrunted becos the government have let them down n making empty promises.

if TS cant take the majority views here, get the F outta here!

Taking the majority views is one matter
Talking without sufficient facts, research and analysis is another matter.

For your information, I'm referring to the second one.

The government is indeed not of the best, but to claim they are good or bad without anything to substantiate... what would that make you?

I can't understand why can't everyone be more objective, cool-headed and factual.... Do emotions really bring you far or give you more credibility?

Sigh...

Originally posted by eagle:

Taking the majority views is one matter
Talking without sufficient facts, research and analysis is another matter.

For your information, I'm referring to the second one.

The government is indeed not of the best, but to claim they are good or bad without anything to substantiate... what would that make you?

I can't understand why can't everyone be more objective, cool-headed and factual.... Do emotions really bring you far or give you more credibility?

Sigh...

to add, frankly, i also dont understand the taking sides thing, the conspiracy theories

i dont think any of these also help the society or nation in any way

Originally posted by eagle:

Taking the majority views is one matter
Talking without sufficient facts, research and analysis is another matter.

For your information, I'm referring to the second one.

The government is indeed not of the best, but to claim they are good or bad without anything to substantiate... what would that make you?

I can't understand why can't everyone be more objective, cool-headed and factual.... Do emotions really bring you far or give you more credibility?

Sigh...

if u tok about facts taken from Straits Time, u can forget bout it since the media here r pappy servants who only trying to write a bunch of 'goodwill' business report.

the pple here r sick of those bias news which only report the good side of government. ever since they claim singapore economy is blooming, the living cost also increase sharply.

i agree there r a bunch of whiners who cant do anything except being armchair critic. well some might even be pappy in disguise who try to say thing but mean another.

Originally posted by 798:

if u tok about facts taken from Straits Time, u can forget bout it since the media here r pappy servants who only trying to write a bunch of 'goodwill' business report.

the pple here r sick of those bias news which only report the good side of government. ever since they claim singapore economy is blooming, the living cost also increase sharply.

i agree there r a bunch of whiners who cant do anything except being armchair critic. well some might even be pappy in disguise who try to say thing but mean another.

facts can be taken from straits times what... I mean, the statements made by ministers (which can be rather idiotic sometimes) can be lifted from there too...

True, the Sg economy is growing, no one denies. The living cost increases too, no one denies. But problem is, when living cost increase, is the problem solely due to the government only? Why do most people not take external factors into the picture?

Fact is, everyone of us is quick to make conclusions without thinking of the big picture. Everyone of us tends to judge from the tiny window out of our eyes. But is it always the truth?

Originally posted by eagle:

Complains complains complains.... Might as well go wet markets/coffee shops complain to the old uncles and aunties there...

But got simple solution mah:

You don't like the country, you leave the country. What's stopping you? But if you have left the country, why do you still want to come back to complain?
Complain can, but might higher quality complains... Not complains that come from 'evidence' from what you have experienced... Like that complain might as well go to Whinehouse to complain about your experiences... Not speaker's corner...

You like the country, you stay and make sure the government does its job properly by casting your votes properly. Or at least, give proper facts, research and analysis before an attempt to discredit the government.

There are a few attitudes in this forum (feel free to add on):
1) Only know how to complain but do nothing {not even some simple research to substantiate} (armchair general)
2) Complain without proper facts, evidence and research (baseless allegations)
3) Complain wrongly liao start personal attacks, which is out of point from the original thread (sore loser)

Fortunately, this forum is somewhat saved by a few rather good threads, although such threads do go out of point sometimes.

Sigh...

We like our country but don't like the gov (a.k.a PAP). Singapore isn't PAP and PAP isn't Singapore. Please get this right before making silly remark.

Why do ppl complain in forum instead of doing anything? Isn't this a stupid question? The PAP has been too successfully in putting lots of barrier for the people to do anything about it.

Let's take for example, when the ministers want to raise their salaries, if you are not happy, can you do anything? It is illegal to protest here and chances of striking a lottery is higher than getting a permit from the police to protest.

Write to the local media and chances is your letter will end up in the rubbish bin.

Joined the opposition? Of course nobody want to vote for the opposition unless they want their estate to end up like potong pasir which is the last to get upgraded and nicely "isolated" from all benefits.

So, what are you contributing to this forum then? What I am seeing is just another whiner compaining of ppl whining, starting personal attack on other forumer and yet acting like a saint.

The point is, if you are so great, why don't you start a more useful thread then this to flame other forumers?

Originally posted by eagle:

Complains complains complains.... Might as well go wet markets/coffee shops complain to the old uncles and aunties there...

But got simple solution mah:

You don't like the country, you leave the country. What's stopping you? But if you have left the country, why do you still want to come back to complain?
Complain can, but might higher quality complains... Not complains that come from 'evidence' from what you have experienced... Like that complain might as well go to Whinehouse to complain about your experiences... Not speaker's corner...

You like the country, you stay and make sure the government does its job properly by casting your votes properly. Or at least, give proper facts, research and analysis before an attempt to discredit the government.

There are a few attitudes in this forum (feel free to add on):
1) Only know how to complain but do nothing {not even some simple research to substantiate} (armchair general)
2) Complain without proper facts, evidence and research (baseless allegations)
3) Complain wrongly liao start personal attacks, which is out of point from the original thread (sore loser)

Fortunately, this forum is somewhat saved by a few rather good threads, although such threads do go out of point sometimes.

Sigh...

Aren't you being hypocritical by complaining about those complaining?

Another simple solution you should impose on yourself before you suggest to others, "if you don't like to listen to others complaining, then leave the forum, nobody tying you to a chair at knifepoint forcing you to listen to our discussions (complains according to you).

Not everybody qualifies for immigration status in other countries, so telling others to leave is not wholly possible.

Most of the time, it's those who defends the government against the complainers that resort to insults first.

I think TS should practice what he preaches first, else will turn out like P4P hypocrites.

Fortunately, this forum is somewhat saved by a few rather good threads, although such threads do go out of point sometimes.

What topic is considered "good" and what is considered "bad"?

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

What topic is considered "good" and what is considered "bad"?

I think good is from his perspective, other views are considered bad.

I think good is from his perspective, other views are considered bad.

Then that is like Lee Kuan Yew.

Originally posted by eagle:

Taking the majority views is one matter
Talking without sufficient facts, research and analysis is another matter.

For your information, I'm referring to the second one.

The government is indeed not of the best, but to claim they are good or bad without anything to substantiate... what would that make you?

I can't understand why can't everyone be more objective, cool-headed and factual.... Do emotions really bring you far or give you more credibility?

Sigh...

I do see many forum members producing facts from other sources in their discussions. The reason they do so is because ST has selectively chose what to print and what not to print. Many people know that ST is a govt mouthpiece.

Why don't you produce your facts for us to research and analyze for a change?

heard the complaints here are nothing compared to wat u will find in stomp leh..

*kiddies b|tching corner*

..if you don't intend to run for elections, then just come to forums and complain...

O.O

critics, shouldn't they be finding a solution rather then to criticize only?