This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by charlize @ Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:54:53 +0800

charlize — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:54:53 +0800

Originally posted by LazerLordz:

From the looks of things, I think they're still taking the wrong solutions.

Too many solutions provided.

They can't process all of them.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by LazerLordz @ Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:47:29 +0800

LazerLordz — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:47:29 +0800

Originally posted by charlize:

Hey, you never know if some top guys from the civil service are taking a look here for solutions to the ever increasing problems in transport, healthcare and employment.

Why did you think they had to come up with essay competitions to get the public to provide solutions for them?

From the looks of things, I think they're still taking the wrong solutions.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by charlize @ Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:46:29 +0800

charlize — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:46:29 +0800

Originally posted by LazerLordz:

If anyone here thinks that SC is a policymaking forum or is obliged to give actual solutions, they're deluded.

Who the heck does such stuff in a public forum anyway.

Hey, you never know if some top guys from the civil service are taking a look here for solutions to the ever increasing problems in transport, healthcare and employment.

Why did you think they had to come up with essay competitions to get the public to provide solutions for them?

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by LazerLordz @ Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:42:52 +0800

LazerLordz — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:42:52 +0800

If anyone here thinks that SC is a policymaking forum or is obliged to give actual solutions, they're deluded.

Who the heck does such stuff in a public forum anyway.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by qlqq9 @ Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:41:09 +0800

qlqq9 — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:41:09 +0800

Originally posted by PRP:

In the internet,only support is in words

OK, I understand what you mean now. But there are many whiners who whine about people here only talk talk, words words no action.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by PRP @ Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:29:29 +0800

PRP — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:29:29 +0800

Originally posted by qlqq9:

What support are you talking about, support in words or action or others?

In the internet,only support is in words

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by charlize @ Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:15:33 +0800

charlize — Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:15:33 +0800

Originally posted by googoomuck:

The govt has caused a dilemma through stupidity.

Not say I want to comprain lah huh.

Why create the kind of jobs where the people are either overqualified or under qualified? I mean, are there enough O and N level grads out there to fill the lower income jobs?

On the other hand, the govt. said that there are also higher paying professional jobs created but the people are unqualified for the jobs.

So the question is, by creating all these jobs, how is the govt going to help the citizens that are either overqualified, under qualified or unqualified?

http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_190621.html

Maybe jobs are created for foreigners.

Not for Singaporeans.

Maybe.

Just maybe.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by googoomuck @ Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:20:41 +0800

googoomuck — Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:20:41 +0800

The govt has caused a dilemma through stupidity.

Not say I want to comprain lah huh.

Why create the kind of jobs where the people are either overqualified or under qualified? I mean, are there enough O and N level grads out there to fill the lower income jobs?

On the other hand, the govt. said that there are also higher paying professional jobs created but the people are unqualified for the jobs.

So the question is, by creating all these jobs, how is the govt going to help the citizens that are either overqualified, under qualified or unqualified?

http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_190621.html

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by reddressman @ Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:30:47 +0800

reddressman — Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:30:47 +0800

some people tasked to give solution may be asking students for the same.

Like this har, if people keep giving solutions, and not comprain comprain har,

some 'talents' should not occupy millionaire salary jobs.

or i suggest like this,

each of the students solutions they adopted they must pay them with their 1 year salary.

so, whenever they ask for solution, this must be publicised. and whenever the adopted any solution, also must be publicised big big so everyone knows which student provided the wer class solution.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by AndrewPKYap @ Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:43:31 +0800

AndrewPKYap — Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:43:31 +0800

Originally posted by fishbuff:

true to an extent.

but when u struggle to manage your finance and handle your family with kids over the worries of losing jobs, lack of $$$, job and family pressure etc.. it is usually alot easier to let off steam on a forum without thinking "hmmm,... now i have this comment, how can i propose solutions to my govt to resolve it?"

observe your dad and uncles. they are the true reflections of what commoners are facing.. of course unless they are high achiever.

... even if you don't "struggle to manage your finance" you should also speak up for those that do, because of the unjust policies forced down their throats....

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by qlqq9 @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:42:25 +0800

qlqq9 — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:42:25 +0800

Originally posted by PRP:

Even if one posted the best political idea in this forum,what would be the use if few members appreciate and support it ?That's why i say members need to show support besides commenting.

What support are you talking about, support in words or action or others?

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by PRP @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:39:47 +0800

PRP — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:39:47 +0800

Originally posted by PRP:
Eagle's comment is quite right.Besides comments & criticism,we need support & agreement too.Comment is to destroy or to change (not easy to achieve).Support is to build.[b]We need to 'build' something for the country and for each others (morale support).[/b]

Even if one posted the best political idea in this forum,what would be the use if few members appreciate and support it ?That's why i say members need to show support besides commenting.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by eagle @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:32:21 +0800

eagle — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:32:21 +0800

I’m very glad this thread did not turn out as a purely flaming thread, and that everyone tried not to turn it so, although I know, and apologize, that such a topic/thread is almost like asking for it. Thanks!

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by eagle @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:30:36 +0800

eagle — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:30:36 +0800

Originally posted by fishbuff:

it is a very different story when u are dealing with
- working 50+ hours a week in private sector,
- dealing with bosses and colleagues,
- face shitty customers,
- beat traffic jams on public transportation to service customers,
- trying to feed a family with school kids with a meer $3k/mth,
- days and nights u think about losing your job and get replaced, especially when u are 40-50.
- worry whether your kids will through the same difficult situation.
- cant get uni education.. struggled with night school every mon, wed, fri...
- losing job = cant pay mortgage = cant pay kids' education = wife mad at you = marital breakdown

ask your dad or uncles.. im sure they will face similar predicament as listed above.

how i wish i can go thru' full time studies in sg uni. instead i have to work full time, study part time for my advance diploma, degree and master while holding full time job and support family on both side, and i never earn more than $2k/mth before 30 years old.

u have the blessing of intelligence, good family background and education opportunities which people in my age group will die for, cherish it!

I understand what you mean... In other first world countries, you could still go by without a uni degree, but perhaps from a talent; sports (specifically soccer), arts, etc, that in Singapore, even if you have the talent, you wouldn't earn as much

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by HyperFocal @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:29:59 +0800

HyperFocal — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:29:59 +0800

Mods here should open up a Praise Corner...

... so that those who wants to sing praises, compliments, & declare their blind faith and loyalty, may do so...

... this should even things up...

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by fishbuff @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:23:44 +0800

fishbuff — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:23:44 +0800

Originally posted by PRP:
Eagle's comment is quite right.Besides comments & criticism,we need support & agreement too.Comment is to destroy or to change (not easy to achieve).Support is to build.[b]We need to 'build' something for the country and for each others (morale support).[/b]

true to an extent.

but when u struggle to manage your finance and handle your family with kids over the worries of losing jobs, lack of $$$, job and family pressure etc.. it is usually alot easier to let off steam on a forum without thinking "hmmm,... now i have this comment, how can i propose solutions to my govt to resolve it?"

observe your dad and uncles. they are the true reflections of what commoners are facing.. of course unless they are high achiever.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by fishbuff @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:19:31 +0800

fishbuff — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:19:31 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

You are who ah? So kaypoh come in for what. Go back to bar and share your own sex experience la.

it is a very different story when u are dealing with
- working 50+ hours a week in private sector,
- dealing with bosses and colleagues,
- face shitty customers,
- beat traffic jams on public transportation to service customers,
- trying to feed a family with school kids with a meer $3k/mth,
- days and nights u think about losing your job and get replaced, especially when u are 40-50.
- worry whether your kids will through the same difficult situation.
- cant get uni education.. struggled with night school every mon, wed, fri...
- losing job = cant pay mortgage = cant pay kids' education = wife mad at you = marital breakdown

ask your dad or uncles.. im sure they will face similar predicament as listed above.

how i wish i can go thru' full time studies in sg uni. instead i have to work full time, study part time for my advance diploma, degree and master while holding full time job and support family on both side, and i never earn more than $2k/mth before 30 years old.

u have the blessing of intelligence, good family background and education opportunities which people in my age group will die for, cherish it!

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by PRP @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:01:57 +0800

PRP — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:01:57 +0800

Eagle's comment is quite right.Besides comments & criticism,we need support & agreement too.Comment is to destroy or to change (not easy to achieve).Support is to build.We need to 'build' something for the country and for each others (morale support).

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by Father Lim @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:35:47 +0800

Father Lim — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:35:47 +0800

Originally posted by (human):

Don't you know the master of the PAP running dogs only want to hear more praise instead of complain, therefore they have thier s h i t ty time the the mediacorpses praising thier master most of the time. And here you can hear the PAP dog barking complaining people are complaining here.

this kind of stuff doesn't really help in political discourse does it??
it doesn't really put across your point and just attracts more flaming...
wouldn't it be better to rephrase it in more suitable terms...

some of the threads down here degenerate to character attacks and mudslinging ... it doesn't really help in putting your point across does it??

n.b. i expect to be flamed even though i have done my best not be make this personal to anyone...

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by royston_ang @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:15:19 +0800

royston_ang — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:15:19 +0800

Originally posted by qlqq9:

Local media is controlled by PAP. Talking about GST increase, the CNA stated that shoppers and retailers not affected by kick off of GST hike. This is obviously propaganda and untrue. How can this be? People who read, watch and listen to local press, TV and radio and believe them all are just blind and dumb.

But like TS said, people shouldn't complain. If there are no complain, and the local media reporting only on the partial truth, you can't blame the average ppl to be deceived to really believe the media and support the gov policy.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by qlqq9 @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:03:25 +0800

qlqq9 — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:03:25 +0800

Originally posted by royston_ang:

I see the complain as a form of feedback abt what is happening in real life.

The ST usually side with gov and report favorably on all gov policy. For example, during the GST increase, I find most of the article in the ST repeating the gov reasoning for the increase or even on ppl praising the gov for the increase! But hardly any arctile on how the increase burden the average Singaporean. Such reporting will give the average ppl a false impression that the gov is indeed doing a great job!

The local media keep saying the economy is recovering, jobless rate is low. But how much of this is true? How much of the job go to Singaporean? You definitely can't find answer in our local media.

Local media is controlled by PAP. Talking about GST increase, the CNA stated that shoppers and retailers not affected by kick off of GST hike. This is obviously propaganda and untrue. How can this be? People who read, watch and listen to local press, TV and radio and believe them all are just blind and dumb.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by royston_ang @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:59:16 +0800

royston_ang — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:59:16 +0800

I see the complain as a form of feedback abt what is happening in real life.

The ST usually side with gov and report favorably on all gov policy. For example, during the GST increase, I find most of the article in the ST repeating the gov reasoning for the increase or even on ppl praising the gov for the increase! But hardly any arctile on how the increase burden the average Singaporean. Such reporting will give the average ppl a false impression that the gov is indeed doing a great job!

The local media keep saying the economy is recovering, jobless rate is low. But how much of this is true? How much of the job go to Singaporean? You definitely can't find answer in our local media.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by qlqq9 @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:20:18 +0800

qlqq9 — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:20:18 +0800

Originally posted by CX:

Because nothing will change from an isolated few wearing black on a random weekend.

I agree that this form of public display is non disruptive and not illegal, but it is also without agenda (other than aesthetic display) and purpose.

I would suggest that if there is a core following, they should blog it and promote it so that at least pple know about it cos I'm pretty sure that mediacorp won't cover it.

Anyway, I find it real weird cos pple (particularly singaporeans) are so easily drawn towards the pointless, like "flash mobs" and queuing up for hello kitty dolls and bak kua, but they have no spine where political convictions are concerned.

It is announced in Sammyboy forum. Their purpose is to let the pap knows there are people who are not happy. This is a form of expression in itself, just like people come to this forum and view their views and unhappiness about the gahmen. The only difference is other than speaking, they put in action to show their displeasure, there is nothing wrong. There are far too many people who keep talking but do nothing when others put into action they are not happy. I admire people who talk and also put into action, talk alone is cheap!

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by qlqq9 @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:15:27 +0800

qlqq9 — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:15:27 +0800

Originally posted by (human):

Don't you know the master of the PAP running dogs only want to hear more praise instead of complain, therefore they have thier s h i t ty time the the mediacorpses praising thier master most of the time. And here you can hear the PAP dog barking complaining people are complaining here.

You hit the nail on the head, good! There is this particular one condemns people complaining and said he disagrees with the way of PAP but when credit is due he wil give credit. He is against people organising Black Saturday and the wear black have dinner at Centrepoint today saying that these disrupt peace. Sounds like PAP's running dog.

This forum is mostly complaints wor replied by CX @ Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:26:39 +0800

CX — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:26:39 +0800

Originally posted by qlqq9:

Like that the person considers disturbing peace, then what about the protest from the Myanmar people here. Any way, there is no need to talk and do things to suit this unkind chap. He is extremely hard to please.

It has to start somewhere for people to express themselves in action rather than just talk. Marching on the street to protest is disallowed here. As far as possible, these people are doing it in a peaceful way not to disrupt anything any peace and ensure there is order. Why do you suggest if you think this is futile?

Because nothing will change from an isolated few wearing black on a random weekend.

I agree that this form of public display is non disruptive and not illegal, but it is also without agenda (other than aesthetic display) and purpose.

I would suggest that if there is a core following, they should blog it and promote it so that at least pple know about it cos I'm pretty sure that mediacorp won't cover it.

Anyway, I find it real weird cos pple (particularly singaporeans) are so easily drawn towards the pointless, like "flash mobs" and queuing up for hello kitty dolls and bak kua, but they have no spine where political convictions are concerned.

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