You will love this. First a cut out scene from Michael Moore's Sicko. They cut iy out cause no one would believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ0B2xDzSgg

Norway has "work camps", where people from other Nations go to work and send mone home. But their work camps and construction workers are different. They do not come from poor Nations but rich ones.

Such as Sweden, UK, USA, France. That must give you an idea of how rich those people are.

However I do not like to live there cause of Taxes. I thought I post this cause a lot of people here want to move to a "better" place.

Salmon there cheaper

And I like to eat salmon

their income tax is 49%

Originally posted by fishbuff:

their income tax is 49%

Yes it is. And with the money they have left they can buy an 8 bedroom apartment each month in Singapore or America. leh

Originally posted by fishbuff:

their income tax is 49%

Norway's GDP per capita is ranked 4th in the world, in terms of Purchasing Power Parity (PPP)

Average wages for some sectors in Norway for a month.

SGD 1.00 = NOK 3.78

49%! their health care and welfare benefits must be really good.

Originally posted by Really mama?:

49%! their health care and welfare benefits must be really good.

One of my friends (PRC) who went over there for company training said it's her dream country (despite the high taxes, anyway is cancelled out by the social welfare and high salaries). She has been working in Singapore for a year before she went.

I do not like high taxes. But for working class people that have 1 house. a family. A car its very good. Leh

hoho… destination #2 – Norway!

and unicef says holland children have the happiest childhood.
one shudder to think where singapore kinds ranks in terms of happyness...

Originally posted by weiqimun:

and unicef says holland children have the happiest childhood.
one shudder to think where singapore kinds ranks in terms of happyness...

got kids commit suicide when they fail PSLE...what you think

Originally posted by fishbuff:

their income tax is 49%

At least their government is getting their citizen to be competitive and not compete with FTs

I wouldn't say that it is rampant and i don't know how true but my Norwegian contact claims that there are many druggies who sleep on the streets and buy drugs with welfare money.

Punishment for major crimes are very low as well, 7-12 years for murder, you get the point. Coloured people do not have a nice time there as well.

He came to Singapore and claimed that it is a much nicer place. We think otherwise. Bottomline is, the grass is always greener on the other side and i suppose we can only judge for ourselves if we live there for a couple of years.

Originally posted by kramnave:

I wouldn't say that it is rampant and i don't know how true but my Norwegian contact claims that there are many druggies who sleep on the streets and buy drugs with welfare money.

Punishment for major crimes are very low as well, 7-12 years for murder, you get the point. Coloured people do not have a nice time there as well.

He came to Singapore and claimed that it is a much nicer place. We think otherwise. Bottomline is, the grass is always greener on the other side and i suppose we can only judge for ourselves if we live there for a couple of years.

What you have mention are common folk tales amoung parents that wanted to keep their kids in their home country....

Care to illustrate more on the pros and cons of the local legal system vs oversea ?

Originally posted by maurizio13:

One of my friends (PRC) who went over there for company training said it's her dream country (despite the high taxes, anyway is cancelled out by the social welfare and high salaries). She has been working in Singapore for a year before she went.

Apparently their prime minister pulls in around 250-300k a year.

Originally posted by justcooler:

What you have mention are common folk tales amoung parents that wanted to keep their kids in their home country....

Care to illustrate more on the pros and cons of the local legal system vs oversea ?

Yup folk tales, there are folk tales overseas about Singapore too. As i said, one would do well to live a foreign country before deciding whether it is good or not.

Originally posted by justcooler:

At least their government is getting their citizen to be competitive and not compete with FTs

frankly, i would really really want to stay on in singapore for as long as i can. raised in sembawang kampong and a toa payoh heartlander, i wouldnt have think of migrating out of SG anytime in the 80s or 90s, but after the year 2001, things had changed so rapidly, u see sooooo many FTs coming in and how the govt has forsaken their obligation to secure a good livelihood for an average SG family, instead rewarding themselves heaps upon heaps of $$$ while continue to exploit the citizens for their own goals. And i cant turn a blind eye to all these craps that are happening in sg.

Originally posted by fishbuff:

frankly, i would really really want to stay on in singapore for as long as i can. raised in sembawang kampong and a toa payoh heartlander, i wouldnt have think of migrating out of SG anytime in the 80s or 90s, but after the year 2001, things had changed so rapidly, u see sooooo many FTs coming in and how the govt has forsaken their obligation to secure a good livelihood for an average SG family, instead rewarding themselves heaps upon heaps of $$$ while continue to exploit the citizens for their own goals. And i cant turn a blind eye to all these craps that are happening in sg.

Fellow forumer,

Great men think alike, so as i say. I used to be very patriotic. During NS some of my army rightly brand me as 'lunatic' whenever i start discussions on national defense.

However that was before i start working. Then i noticed the way changes occuring and progress in singapore is not healthy and in my view not sustainable. There are a number of my fellow engineers, tech and foreman in their 40s who used to hold higher positions and higher salary. But changes in the cost structure mean that they are no longer competitive (salary) both locally and internationally.

They not only have to compete with local grads but FTs... and lot of them were forced to leave for lower position and pay.

That make me think, if i am young i can work 16hrs a day for 7 days. but When you are at their age can you do that. Also at 40s you will be loaded with numerous financial burden, house, car, utility bills, kids, medical, etc etc... So if i am in their shoe in the near future can my family survive ?

That change me totally, from a patriot to a quitter .....

Originally posted by justcooler:

Fellow forumer,

Great men think alike, so as i say. I used to be very patriotic. During NS some of my army rightly brand me as 'lunatic' whenever i start discussions on national

What? Singapore has an army? I do not know how to say this without being offencive please forgive me. But what the hell do you have a military for? If the USA or China would decide to invade you would only add to collateral damage.

No seriously there are many city states. Such as Monaco et c. They are basicly one city and a Nation. None of them have a military. Why does Singapore have one? What can a City army do?

Home is where the heart is.

btw, there are quite afew europeans here in oz that have lived for more than 10+ years.. even in my team, there are germans, englishman and a guy from mauritius.

Originally posted by Really mama?:

Apparently their prime minister pulls in around 250-300k a year.

Awwww......

That's pathetic.

Even our cabinet ministers get many times over their PM.

Maybe they should consult our MM and PM on the basics of sucking more $$$ from the population.

Even our GDP per capita is higher than Norway.
That's why all our ministers are justified in having salaries of afew millions.

Originally posted by Saxon_flix:

What? Singapore has an army? I do not know how to say this without being offencive please forgive me. But what the hell do you have a military for? If the USA or China would decide to invade you would only add to collateral damage.

No seriously there are many city states. Such as Monaco et c. They are basicly one city and a Nation. None of them have a military. Why does Singapore have one? What can a City army do?

sinkapore's army is to `kounter' the malay presence in SEA, and to protect territorial rights of her sovereign land shld the unthinkable happen, i.e. malaysia or indonesia show its aggressive nature.

the territorial make-up singapore is in necessitates it. u don't want to be a sitting duck. what happened years ago during `emergency' and during konfrontasi years ago is real. u n i probably weren't born yet.

if your `rationale' holds true, then many city states, including countries other than what you mentioned should not even have an army, becos good ol' USA and China will over run most countries. what good would folks like thailand, malaysia, timbuktu or itali have armies? china and USA will streamroll anyway...but your `enemies' is not just the big 2 or 3.

and sinkapore is buddies with the chinese and usa. you r hyping the theories. imagine all the US/Chinese business presence here in Sinkapore that'll get hit.

duh...are u acting `blur' or really blur?

Originally posted by justcooler:

What you have mention are common folk tales amoung parents that wanted to keep their kids in their home country....

Care to illustrate more on the pros and cons of the local legal system vs oversea ?

That was from a 'Norwegian contact', in case you didn't read properly. A couple of months ago, I met a Norwegian lass at the pub, and she said she adored life here.

Travel the world and talk to more people - you'll learn that every place has its pros and cons.

Originally posted by Hellraiza:

got kids commit suicide when they fail PSLE...what you think

LOL, PSLE also can fail, better to commit suicide.

hehe is proud of his norwegian blood lol