a police division is getting a 32 yr old police scholar as commander, while i'm for merit based promotion, this one i feel is pushing a little too far....the chap was reported to have spent some time in the education and foreign ministry as well...he's cited for his strong intellect.....

i guess experience matters little these days.....pencil pushing is top criterion....just as schools with young principals, these scholar types tend to be brash and overbearing.....

strangely while the govt is preaching against revolving door politics for fear of instability, it doesn't seem to apply to the service....new broom sweeps clean and every new head will want to bring about their style of leadership and with the average span of 4 years before the next one comes along, it can get pretty disruptive...the up side is renewal.......

..forever, whatever they preach/say, will be totally different in action...

indeed very young, must be very good...

Originally posted by countdracula:

a police division is getting a 32 yr old police scholar as commander, while i'm for merit based promotion, this one i feel is pushing a little too far....the chap was reported to have spent some time in the education and foreign ministry as well...he's cited for his strong intellect.....

i guess experience matters little these days.....pencil pushing is top criterion....just as schools with young principals, these scholar types tend to be brash and overbearing.....

strangely while the govt is preaching against revolving door politics for fear of instability, it doesn't seem to apply to the service....new broom sweeps clean and every new head will want to bring about their style of leadership and with the average span of 4 years before the next one comes along, it can get pretty disruptive...the up side is renewal.......

Originally posted by play_n_play:

indeed very young, must be very good...

dun need to be good.... he may be a scholar... and gahmen may have paid for his studies... default high flyer one/... most of this young high ranking occifers are usually scholars from my exp in my ns in spf...

So in which division?

Originally posted by doghouse837:

So in which division?

Central police division also known as "A" division.

of course there's the stereotype that oh - he's young, he's inexperienced, he's a scholar ma

i think well, despite all these... as long as he prove his worth (and pay!) then it's fine.

from what i can see he's defintely a high flyer... sure to be commisioner level appt in the near future.

do bear in mind dat if he cant produce results, he sure kena kicked out one.

i hope he installs CCTVs all over the country just like in Britain

Hello friends. For your information, Lau Peet Meng has been in SPF for 13 years. Who says he’s not experienced? Have you work with him before? If not, why do we say that he is inexperience because of his age? He has been heighligted in the straits time scholar classified b4 and he has his credentials too. He has been attach to UN and MOE before and even if even some scholars also don’t have the chance to experience that. You thought SPF will put some young chap in a commander post and leave him to command on his own? Of course not. SPF is just like any organisation, he has to report to his immediate superior, who is Director, Operation Dept, who has at least 15 years of experience in the force. This is a step that everyone career person have to go through, and will definetly invite crities from those who can only dream of that.

Originally posted by yourfavouritefriend:

Hello friends. For your information, Lau Peet Meng has been in SPF for 13 years. Who says he's not experienced? Have you work with him before? If not, why do we say that he is inexperience because of his age? He has been heighligted in the straits time scholar classified b4 and he has his credentials too. He has been attach to UN and MOE before and even if even some scholars also don't have the chance to experience that. You thought SPF will put some young chap in a commander post and leave him to command on his own? Of course not. SPF is just like any organisation, he has to report to his immediate superior, who is Director, Operation Dept, who has at least 15 years of experience in the force. This is a step that everyone career person have to go through, and will definetly invite crities from those who can only dream of that.

he joined spf when he was 19?....

can be.. but then.. he is sponsored to study... so another... 4 years?...

so yeah.. he started to gain experience only....including... graduation time.. training... 9 yrs ago only bah!

any idea what his salary package like?

Originally posted by countdracula:

a police division is getting a 32 yr old police scholar as commander, while i'm for merit based promotion, this one i feel is pushing a little too far....the chap was reported to have spent some time in the education and foreign ministry as well...he's cited for his strong intellect.....

i guess experience matters little these days.....pencil pushing is top criterion....just as schools with young principals, these scholar types tend to be brash and overbearing.....

strangely while the govt is preaching against revolving door politics for fear of instability, it doesn't seem to apply to the service....new broom sweeps clean and every new head will want to bring about their style of leadership and with the average span of 4 years before the next one comes along, it can get pretty disruptive...the up side is renewal.......

We are running a system where talents or abilities are assumed to be based on academic performance or connections as by basing on such factor new ones can be easily recruited who are easy to control to do the bidding of the centrist leader in power. Good or Bad, judge for yourself.

Have we thrown up of late despite all the scholars being recruited for the past many years any better candidates than those without such academic attainments found elsewhere or of the equivalent of our past good leaders of implementation abilities who could restructure the whole economy to value-added practical knowledge application as in some countries like South Korea or Finland.

Our system is keeping real talents from the ground with proven potential at arm's length to serve as slaves to do all the bidding.

Is this the only meritocracy we understand and nothing else?

The final answer is simple. By recruiting the academically qualified or excellent it saves all headaches of having to explain anything else.

Propagandas like Meritocracy or Talent will continue be used to keep propping up such a centric system good for political domination and control.

Performance or not is not that important.

Originally posted by countdracula:

a police division is getting a 32 yr old police scholar as commander, while i'm for merit based promotion, this one i feel is pushing a little too far....the chap was reported to have spent some time in the education and foreign ministry as well...he's cited for his strong intellect.....

i guess experience matters little these days.....pencil pushing is top criterion....just as schools with young principals, these scholar types tend to be brash and overbearing.....

strangely while the govt is preaching against revolving door politics for fear of instability, it doesn't seem to apply to the service....new broom sweeps clean and every new head will want to bring about their style of leadership and with the average span of 4 years before the next one comes along, it can get pretty disruptive...the up side is renewal.......

Sour grapes

Originally posted by countdracula:

a police division is getting a 32 yr old police scholar as commander, while i'm for merit based promotion, this one i feel is pushing a little too far....the chap was reported to have spent some time in the education and foreign ministry as well...he's cited for his strong intellect.....

i guess experience matters little these days.....pencil pushing is top criterion....just as schools with young principals, these scholar types tend to be brash and overbearing.....

strangely while the govt is preaching against revolving door politics for fear of instability, it doesn't seem to apply to the service....new broom sweeps clean and every new head will want to bring about their style of leadership and with the average span of 4 years before the next one comes along, it can get pretty disruptive...the up side is renewal.......

whats new man?

this is always the case in the governmen ministries and stat boards.
Scholars are on the expressways with regards to promotions.

If he's got experience in the UN, I'd say go for it.

Commander's job is more of staff/planning and policy work. He's not appointed CO of STAR or anything..

Originally posted by No9:

whats new man?

this is always the case in the governmen ministries and stat boards.
Scholars are on the expressways with regards to promotions.

Hanor.

I have heard stories about how a scholar was promoted so fast within a ministry that he was almost apologetic to his colleagues and peers everytime he got a promotion.

Originally posted by LazerLordz:

If he's got experience in the UN, I'd say go for it.

Commander's job is more of staff/planning and policy work. He's not appointed CO of STAR or anything..

how can that be, they have positions for paperwork...not command position...it's supposed to be a position of respect....you lead people, not computers.....his un posting was for like 9 mths? as long as you go through ocs, so it's like an internship...another couple of years seconded outside the force doing unrelated work so that cuts down his experience in the force isn't it?

age is a natural filter for experience, this chap may be a prodigy of sorts but that alone his no measure of capable leadership..that said, i don't know if he is not.....

if the govt is wondering why it's not easy to keep civil servants, this is why...the are pissing off folks who are no less equal but overlooked because they don't carry the scholar tag....so money is not everything ya....

in UN he do what ah?

taking minutes doesn't count leh

he's been attached out to the UN, to MOE, and he's spent time overseas studying, getting his Bachelors and Masters ..... all that in what, 13 years ? ... so how many years has he actually spent doing real police work ? ... more than half that ? ...

Originally posted by Fatum:

he's been attached out to the UN, to MOE, and he's spent time overseas studying, getting his Bachelors and Masters ..... all that in what, 13 years ? ... so how many years has he actually spent doing real police work ? ... more than half that ? ...

Singapore scholars have 48 hours a day.

I think if one choose to embark on a career in the Civil Service, he or she has to be prepared for cases like this. The government invests heavily on scholars, surely they must push them to take on higher responsibilities in order to get a good return on their 'investments'.

I will personally prefer to work for 'Equal Opportunity Employers' like Shell or Schlumberger.

No expressways for scholars here, only justified rewards for those who lead, work hard, innovate, and contribute to the company.

It's not a bed of roses being a scholar in the Civil Service.

Sure, you have the pay and all those turbo-charged promotions.

Many I know do not intend to stay beyond 35 because they feel that they're burning out up there.

Originally posted by LazerLordz:

It's not a bed of roses being a scholar in the Civil Service.

Sure, you have the pay and all those turbo-charged promotions.

Many I know do not intend to stay beyond 35 because they feel that they're burning out up there.

this i would have to agree. many scholars feel that what they're doing is not satisfying and not unlocking their true potential. Although I cannot quote you exact figures, there is an upward trend in the number of people who leave the service after their bond completion.
And of course, the government is not dumb. They have made significant improvements in the pay scale to try to retain these talents just before their bond is fully served. This is certainly a natural progression... afterall if you spent so much money investing in the scholar's education and what not, surely you would want him to stay a little longer.

But as Singaporeans become increasingly mobile, and their talents sought after internationally... i feel the top talents will still be drawn to the private sectors, both locally or abroad.

It could also be as simple as wanting to quit the rat race and open a restaurant/bar..

Many top fellows have done this.