http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 en-US 60 <p>Bill Clinton was sexually immoral but other than that he did a good job, I would say.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>His foreign policy responses were calculated and appropriate, unlike Bush.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I hope Hillary wins just so that Bill can go back into the White House.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Obama talks of change but you just know that once elected, it will be more of the same.</p> Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:10:50 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7823789 AndrewPKYap http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>unfortunately, barack has been commented to be a 'fake' african american black.</p> <p>people did comment that obama lacked civil rights sensitivity as he had no 'feelings' on what happened during that era.</p> Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:18:55 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7820842 pwnz0r http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>Will it happen?<br /> Black man in white house?</p> <p>I guess its more like grey man in white house as mum white and dad’s black<br /> and not like fake african american black. His dad is from africa, the original black</p> Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:11:11 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7818503 RobinHood69 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>My advice is balance the information you are getting from main stream media with information from the internet.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>You may not be getting a full view if you just look at main stream media.</p> Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:30:51 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7818345 phil30k http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>It all well and good to debate on Obama's candidacy.</p> <p>BUT.... the funny thing about US elections is that the minorities interests always, always&nbsp; trumps the majorities wishes. And when i say minority i dont mean blacks, hispanics, women and what not. Corporations decide elections. They fund campaigns, they help in outreach ..etc</p> <p>Mark my words, republicans back in office.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:26:21 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7817531 shudyourmouth http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>Caroline Kennedy came up and voice support for Obama.<br /> <br /> If you look at the demographic stat the suppport of Obama is always below 45 yrs and Professional. Billary is always at the lower income and seniors. establishment support will diminish once they see the majority votes goes to who?<br /> <br /> i would not throw out Obama, it takes 2 wins to confirm candidates. The interesting thing with Nevada is that Obama gets the same number of delgates out from Nevada so i won't say it is a total lost for him.<br /> <br /> In recent negative attack from Bill Clinton.<br /> <br /> There are already complaints about the character of ex president within democrats and women questioning why is a first woman running for President depended upon her husband. And Ted Kenndy came out to Bill asking him not to split the party.<br /> <br /> if hillary win the nomination than i am not sure the Democrats can take back the white house. Republican will remind voters on Bill Characters. There was an article on NY times, reminding readers the current problems of unverify power distribution between Bush Cheney and compare it with Hillary Bill, If they elected into the Executive Office.<br /> <br /> Don't undermine voters in the US for Change. the ironic picture for SC was a Confederated Flag with Obama. <img title="Laughing" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /><br /> <br /> Go watch the complete victory speech of Obama from MSN.com news video. Get a feel. <img title="Idea" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_idea.gif" alt="Idea" /><br /> <br /> Anyway i have 6 pack of Tiger at stake here. and someone in OS wanna move to Mars if Hillary wins. <img title="Laughing" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /><br /> <br /> All said n done this topics will come up after Feb 5th.<br /> <br /></p> Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:13:54 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7817057 Arapahoe http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>i think clinton will secure the nomination, her support is mainly the party institution while obama draws his from the grassroots....also, with blacks not forming enough numbers across the other states, obama can only look to secure wins in another handful of states....<br /> <br /> new york and the neighbouring states should be easily for clinton and so for obama to convince his party to nominate him, he needs california...with edwards increasingly lagging behind, more whites would vote for clinton....so realistically, clinton and blowjob bill will contest against mccain and lose, simply because hillary isn't that likeable....</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:17:11 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7814852 countdracula http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <blockquote> <p>Originally posted by kilua:<br /> <br /> <img src= "http://im.sify.com/sifycmsimg/jan2008/Sports/14585280_Hillary-and-Obama_B.jpg" alt="image" /><br /> <br /> [/b]</p> </blockquote> <p>Obama looks like Rio Ferdinard.. <img title="Shocked" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_eek.gif" alt="Shocked" /></p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:49:32 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7814749 CannyOng http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by countdracula:</div> <div class="quote_body">then in the same vein the whites are also racists since only 25% voted for him?</div> </blockquote> <p>You have to put things in perspective. The white vote is split between Obama, Clinton and John Edwards. John Edwards draws his support primarily from whites.<br /> <br /> No doubt the element of race is there but i still think Obama has wide appeal across gender and race.<br /> <br /> Its a really tight race between Obama and Clinton.</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:41:47 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7814717 kilua http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>1. He's black.<br /> 2. He's Illinois senator.<br /> 3. He's charismatic.<br /> 4. He's likely to be the successor to President George W. Bush.<br /> <br /> I'm not sure if the Americans are ready for a female president yet. Whoever is in will have to take a tough stance against nuclear toddlers, terror peddlers and the economy back home.</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:10:35 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7814597 xavier1979 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by countdracula:</div> <div class="quote_body">then in the same vein the whites are also racists since only 25% voted for him?</div> </blockquote> <p>..and women are sexist since most of them voted Hillary? This is a weird US presidential election year! <img title="Laughing" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /></p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:07:22 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7814268 AndrewPKYap http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by onlooker123:</div> <div class="quote_body">Obama just beat Clinton in South Carolina primaries.<br /> <br /> It would be interesting to see if the winner of the Obama v Clinton battle would choose the loser as the Vice Presidential running mate.</div> </blockquote> <p>In a close fight like this, then Edwards becomes a kingmaker.<br /> <br /> The side that he chooses, his votes will go to him/her.<br /> <br /> He is possibly seeking to be running mate like he was running mate of John Kerry.</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:06:06 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7814265 AndrewPKYap http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by onlooker123:</div> <div class="quote_body">Obama just beat Clinton in South Carolina primaries.<br /> <br /> It would be interesting to see if the winner of the Obama v Clinton battle would choose the loser as the Vice Presidential running mate.</div> </blockquote> <p>If obama did that he'd lose all his grass roots support. They'd see him as a sellout.<br /> <br /> Nope, it'll be a fight to the bitter end.</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:00:10 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7814247 phil30k http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>Obama just beat Clinton in South Carolina primaries.<br /> <br /> It would be interesting to see if the winner of the Obama v Clinton battle would choose the loser as the Vice Presidential running mate.</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:05:49 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7813875 onlooker123 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>Correct me if I'm wrong here. Winning a poll or a caucus is not equivalent to winning the primary. Winning the primary is not equivalent to winning the presidential race.<br /> <br /> Nobody won Nevada yet. Only New Hampshire and Florida have voted, South Carolina is now voting. New Hampshire is undergoing a recount due to rumors of vote rigging. South Carolina uses electronic voting which broke down and caused problems, maybe irreparably compromising the results.<br /> <br /> All states should have completed voting by April 2008. It's expensive to campaign so candidates who don't think they have a chance will drop out of the race to avoid wasting money and the last one standing takes presidency even if the remining of the states haven't voted yet.<br /> <br /> With that out of the way, I see Obama as the mediator. The people love him because he listens to them. However given that he has to mediate between the people and the private interest groups, I'm not sure he will be able to deliver on the changes his entire support is founded on. He also commented that he'd keep on the current advisors to the white house and that doesn't bode well for "change".<br /> <br /> Ron Paul spells disaster in the sense that sometimes things are so bad you have to knock the whole thing down and start building it up again. That's the kind of change he portends.<br /> <br /> I see Hillary as the elite's postergirl. She won't win unless the elite form the majority or can influence the majority's vote. No change here becuase the elites continue running things as usual.<br /> <br /> Mitt Romney is the theist's poster boy. Same thing, he won't win unless the theists form the majority or can influence the majority's vote. Big changes here, there will be a push towards a theist state and all the disruption that portends.<br /> <br /> Huckabee and Rudy are politicians. Both have no compassion for the people but are otherwise very capable.<br /> <br /> Mc Cain seems like a solid man with influence. But his mentality seems too alien to properly connect him to the people in terms of votes.<br /> <br /> I haven't formed an impression of the rest of the candidates yet.</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:46:49 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7813846 phil30k http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by shade343:</div> <div class="quote_body">South Carolina's black voters are farking racist. 80% of the blacks voted for a black man. This is racism. So the black people are the ones being racist now! <img title= "Evil or Very Mad" src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" /></div> </blockquote> <p>then in the same vein the whites are also racists since only 25% voted for him?</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:48:10 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7813323 countdracula http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>“We are up against conventional thinking that says your ability to lead as president comes from longevity in Washington or proximity to the White House. But we know that real leadership is about candor, and judgment, and the ability to rally Americans from all walks of life around a common purpose — a higher purpose.” Barack Obama</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:06:51 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7813180 Doubletalk http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>South Carolina's black voters are farking racist. 80% of the blacks voted for a black man. This is racism. So the black people are the ones being racist now! <img title="Evil or Very Mad" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_evil.gif" alt= "Evil or Very Mad" /></p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:26:08 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7812848 shade343 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by countdracula:</div> <div class="quote_body">probably true, but they look at the number of delegates each candidates have for final victory and so far obama still has a couple more despite clinton's win....the race is now racially divided and the more obama plays the black card, the more he'll lose favour with other races...hispanics are now the largest minority so the black votes may not help him enough.....edwards should drop out now and offer to be vp so as to stand a chance 8 years later.......</div> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p><br /> <span style="color: red;">Obama bests Clinton in South Carolina primary</span><br /> Clinton eyes Florida, Super Tuesday in wake of defeat by Illinois senator<br /> By Robert Schroeder, MarketWatch<br /> Last update: 7:23 p.m. EST Jan. 26, 2008<br /> PrintPrint EmailE-mail Subscribe to RSSRSS DisableDisable Live Quotes<br /> WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Illinois Sen. Barack Obama easily defeated rival senator Hillary Clinton in South Carolina's Democratic primary on Saturday, taking home the party's first contest in a southern state.<br /> The Palmetto State's primary had long appeared to be Obama's to lose, as the African-American senator was expected to garner the support of large numbers of black voters. In an exit poll reported by NBC News, Obama took home 81% of support from African-Americans.</p> </blockquote> <p>Resurrected. <img title="Laughing" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /></p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:43:40 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7812479 AndrewPKYap http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>All this may be moot.<br /> <br /> There is a growing belief that the elections are rigged.<br /> <br /> do a goodle on "election fraud".</p> Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:53:08 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7783522 phil30k http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:</div> <div class="quote_body">Clinton Wins in Nevada<br /> <br /> Looks like Obama is finished.<br /></div> </blockquote> <p>probably true, but they look at the number of delegates each candidates have for final victory and so far obama still has a couple more despite clinton's win....the race is now racially divided and the more obama plays the black card, the more he'll lose favour with other races...hispanics are now the largest minority so the black votes may not help him enough.....edwards should drop out now and offer to be vp so as to stand a chance 8 years later.......</p> Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:37:43 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7777731 countdracula http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>You can read the rest for yourself...<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.exmormon.org/fourteen.htm" rel= "nofollow">http://www.exmormon.org/fourteen.htm</a><br /> <br /> The atheist will hate him for being a delusional believer and the Christians will hate him for being a member of a 'church' that distort Christianity.<br /> <br /> Maybe the Republicans are just not interested to take over the mess Bush created.</p> Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:16:09 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7777693 AndrewPKYap http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p><br /> On the Republican side, the likely winner is a Mormon<br /> <br /></p> <blockquote> <p>The fourteen fundamental articles or beliefs of Mormons<br /> The reason this is here is because many have written to me wanting to know what do Mormons really believe. There are a lot of pro-Mormon propaganda sites and they all say the same thing - family unity, they are Christian, the Book of Mormon is true and on and on. These other sites still do not say what they really believe. What Mormons actually believe is not normally taught by the Mormon missionaries or shown on the TV commercials. Mormon doctrine is quite fluid.</p> </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>1 - God was once a man who lived on another planet<br /> This is the most important teaching of Mormonism.<br /> <br /> ....We believe that God was once a mortal man on another planet who progressed by living in obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel he had on his world, then he died. He became a resurrected man and evolved to become a god.<br /> <br /> ....He is still married now (some early leaders say he is a polygamist) and created this world. We worship only the one true god, which is really one god among millions or billions or more. We believe that we will follow in God's footsteps by becoming perfect and we too will become Gods and Goddesses creating spirit children and peopling other worlds. The Mormon TV commercials showing family togetherness is the foundation for life in the next world - as a family - as gods.<br /> <br /> Reference: Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 Page 4, 1844. Joseph Smith speaking:<br /> "...you have to learn to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, - namely, by going from one small degree to another..."<br /> <br /> Reference: Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 Page 275, 1852. Brighan Young speaking:<br /> "After men have got their exaltations and their crowns - have become Gods..."</p> </blockquote> Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:14:16 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7777684 AndrewPKYap http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>Clinton Wins in Nevada<br /> <br /> Looks like Obama is finished.<br /></p> Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:10:09 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7777676 AndrewPKYap http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515 <p>They are both fighting so hard now because they sense that the Americans are really really sick of George (I get instructions from God to go to war in Iraq) Bush and the Republicans.</p> Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:44:30 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:301515:7743354 AndrewPKYap http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/301515