i talked to a viet oz banker last week and when she heard that im a singaporean, she was eager to know why i want to move to australia. she later said to me that over the past 2-3 years, there have been a record number of singaporeans migrating to australia. 10 years ago, she has not heard of singaporean emigrating to australia. i got to know another 3 more new singaporean couples recently around my area.

when will it be your turn, my fellow singaporeans?

I have a friend who is an Australian PR. He just come back to Singapore to finish off his 2.5months NS deferment.

He mentioned that engineers are in huge demand in Australia and Australian companies are hunger for foreign engineers. He, being only in the workforce for a year, command a pay of S$8000. The pay is a norm for engineers in Australia.

Moreover, my friend stated Oz has lot of social benefits despite the higher income tax. The weather is nice (for Melbourne)...

It sets me thinking. In Singapore, engineers are undervalued and unpaid but overworked.

hmm... Migrating is no small matter. Need lot of consideration and pondering.

Any advice?

yeah, 1st world nation it is, sillypore. 1st world, but at whose expense?

My friend, a counsellor (psychologist), earns sgd65/hr part time. When in sg, it was not part time but overtime

Originally posted by Spartans:

I have a friend who is an Australian PR. He just come back to Singapore to finish off his 2.5months NS deferment.

He mentioned that engineers are in huge demand in Australia and Australian companies are hunger for foreign engineers. He, being only in the workforce for a year, command a pay of S$8000. The pay is a norm for engineers in Australia.

Moreover, my friend stated Oz has lot of social benefits despite the higher income tax. The weather is nice (for Melbourne)...

It sets me thinking. In Singapore, engineers are undervalued and unpaid but overworked.

hmm... Migrating is no small matter. Need lot of consideration and pondering.

Any advice?

You must not forget, Singapore is starting to develop their engineering sectors. The demand is not here yet, but it will come soon no doubt. But not forgetting the australians will pay you high salaries due to the demand. Personally, i would say yes on the condition that your family is fine with it.

Originally posted by fishbuff:

i talked to a viet oz banker last week and when she heard that im a singaporean, she was eager to know why i want to move to australia. she later said to me that over the past 2-3 years, there have been a record number of singaporeans migrating to australia. 10 years ago, she has not heard of singaporean emigrating to australia. i got to know another 3 more new singaporean couples recently around my area.

when will it be your turn, my fellow singaporeans?

I am in your part of Australia now. Brisbane . Hahahaha BOO!

What is the total population of Sporean in Australia?

Originally posted by fishbuff:

i talked to a viet oz banker last week and when she heard that im a singaporean, she was eager to know why i want to move to australia. she later said to me that over the past 2-3 years, there have been a record number of singaporeans migrating to australia. 10 years ago, she has not heard of singaporean emigrating to australia. i got to know another 3 more new singaporean couples recently around my area.

when will it be your turn, my fellow singaporeans?

Not only Singaporeans but ASIANS. That's y the Aus govt are trying to control the Asian population there. Perhaps next time it won't be too easy to have an Aus PR.

Originally posted by fymk:

I am in your part of Australia now. Brisbane . Hahahaha BOO!

well well... nice to hear that u are here in brisbane. which part? im staying in the westside near middle park.

Originally posted by selfobliged:

Not only Singaporeans but ASIANS. That's y the Aus govt are trying to control the Asian population there. Perhaps next time it won't be too easy to have an Aus PR.

it has never been easy to get OZ PR for ages.. u need relevant degrees and professional experiences that can be certified and also in demand before they will process your application, not to mention that u need to be below a certain age group and no criminal records.

those singaporeans and asians that i met are well-endowed with good academic qualifications and professional experiences.. even an ex-govt scholar is here too.

i had met several HK and PRC chaps, who had stayed in Singapore for 5- 10 years before moving to australia. if PAP think that granting FTs to easy citizenship, make no mistakes that they will move on to other countries eventually.

my advice to PAP; focus your social and economic development on singaporeans, we are the only one that can be patriotic.

Originally posted by fishbuff:

it has never been easy to get OZ PR for ages.. u need relevant degrees and professional experiences that can be certified and also in demand before they will process your application, not to mention that u need to be below a certain age group and no criminal records.

those singaporeans and asians that i met are well-endowed with good academic qualifications and professional experiences.. even an ex-govt scholar is here too.

i had met several HK and PRC chaps, who had stayed in Singapore for 5- 10 years before moving to australia. if PAP think that granting FTs to easy citizenship, make no mistakes that they will move on to other countries eventually.

my advice to PAP; focus your social and economic development on singaporeans, we are the only one that can be patriotic.

In the first place if the PAP is willing to listen to their citizen then there may not be a need to import FTs...

Pros and cons mate, income tax is about 20%, standard of living is also high, food stuff is exp, home loans 8%. Crime rate higher. PR is renewing type, no definite issue to you, you have to stay there a minimum yrs before they renew your expiring PR again.

But them again, I miss OZ.

Originally posted by fishbuff:

well well... nice to hear that u are here in brisbane. which part? im staying in the westside near middle park.

In the city near Myers Centre.

Originally posted by Spartans:

I have a friend who is an Australian PR. He just come back to Singapore to finish off his 2.5months NS deferment.

He mentioned that engineers are in huge demand in Australia and Australian companies are hunger for foreign engineers. He, being only in the workforce for a year, command a pay of S$8000. The pay is a norm for engineers in Australia.

Moreover, my friend stated Oz has lot of social benefits despite the higher income tax. The weather is nice (for Melbourne)...

It sets me thinking. In Singapore, engineers are undervalued and unpaid but overworked.

hmm... Migrating is no small matter. Need lot of consideration and pondering.

Any advice?

Not just engineers. The country is facing a shortage of teachers. It has reached crisis point in the west.

Originally posted by CUM ON MY FACE:

yeah, 1st world nation it is, sillypore. 1st world, but at whose expense?

My friend, a counsellor (psychologist), earns sgd65/hr part time. When in sg, it was not part time but overtime

Countries like USA, Europe that are true 1st worlds pay their 'zens 1st world pay.

I wonder does sg pay its 'zens 1st world pay considering the 1st world cost of living and flats as cheap as 750K?

i really no no de.

Originally posted by longgone:

You must not forget, Singapore is starting to develop their engineering sectors. The demand is not here yet, but it will come soon no doubt. But not forgetting the australians will pay you high salaries due to the demand. Personally, i would say yes on the condition that your family is fine with it.

But you must know answers to 2 questions below:

1. sg is based on asian salary (except those ppl). US and Europe pay the same talents much much more? so , what , happens if sg is 1st world already? I really no no so I asking. You know you tell lor.

2. sg so-called 1st world econ yet growth is at developing country level. Why? Think people think!

Originally posted by reddressman:

Countries like USA, Europe that are true 1st worlds pay their 'zens 1st world pay.

I wonder does sg pay its 'zens 1st world pay considering the 1st world cost of living and flats as cheap as 750K?

i really no no de.

If I see the price of the flat costing $750000, I will think twice about buying.
A lot of foreigner also shocked to see such a flat price high, they claimed in

their countries can buy a big landed property already.

Originally posted by CUM ON MY FACE:

My friend, a counsellor (psychologist), earns sgd65/hr part time. When in sg, it was not part time but overtime

Uhh, is she a counsellor or a psychologist? I assume that's take-home pay? The going rate for psychologists in general is S$240 per hour.

Originally posted by selfobliged:

Not only Singaporeans but ASIANS. That's y the Aus govt are trying to control the Asian population there. Perhaps next time it won't be too easy to have an Aus PR.

They've always limited the number of immigrants according to an annual quota, and the entry requirements have been raised steadily as the number of people meeting those requirements has increased.

It's not a matter of trying to control any given population, but obviously they can't just let the population grow at a disproportionate rate to other factors such as the economy.

I've been here since 1994 and generally I've got no complaints. However, with the Australian dollar getting so strong, I'll have to let my money sit in Singapore for a while more - I really should have moved it sooner.

Originally posted by carrotsoup:

Pros and cons mate, income tax is about 20%, standard of living is also high, food stuff is exp, home loans 8%. Crime rate higher. PR is renewing type, no definite issue to you, you have to stay there a minimum yrs before they renew your expiring PR again.

But them again, I miss OZ.

Well, the minimum-stay rule for PRs is a good idea IMHO. The Immigration Department's job is to make sure that the immigrants they let in come here to contribute to the country instead of picking up PR as a spare tyre. Frankly, I think that's fair.

The interest rate's a bugger, but looking at the house prices that the hikes are intended to control, it looks like kiasuism isn't just a Singaporean thing - the jerks buying investment properties are making it hard for people trying to buy their first homes.

Originally posted by Gedanken:

Well, the minimum-stay rule for PRs is a good idea IMHO. The Immigration Department's job is to make sure that the immigrants they let in come here to contribute to the country instead of picking up PR as a spare tyre. Frankly, I think that's fair.

The interest rate's a bugger, but looking at the house prices that the hikes are intended to control, it looks like kiasuism isn't just a Singaporean thing - the jerks buying investment properties are making it hard for people trying to buy their first homes.

Well, spare a thought for the S457 visa holders who have made enormous sacrifices to work in Oz.

As for property prices, they are ridiculous all right. This could have nasty trickle-down effects.

Originally posted by iveco:

Well, spare a thought for the S457 visa holders who have made enormous sacrifices to work in Oz.

As for property prices, they are ridiculous all right. This could have nasty trickle-down effects.

Actually and sadly ( I know I am going to be hammered for it) , I hope Australia won't spare a thought for temp working permit visa holders. I like the current protectionism they have for the permanent residents and citizens. It is good because it protects my wage.

I did not come out of Singapore to enter another version of Singapore.

Originally posted by fymk:

Actually and sadly ( I know I am going to be hammered for it) , I hope Australia won't spare a thought for temp working permit visa holders. I like the current protectionism they have for the permanent residents and citizens. It is good because it protects my wage.

I did not come out of Singapore to enter another version of Singapore.

Haha, PRC-phobia strikes again. I know many of those guys hail from PRC.

In fact, I know of people who lobby on behalf of these folks. Ever heard of the Unity party?

Originally posted by iveco:

Haha, PRC-phobia strikes again. I know many of those guys hail from PRC.

In fact, I know of people who lobby on behalf of these folks. Ever heard of the Unity party?

They will never be voted in. Simple.

It is not PRC phobia . It is about protecting the current rate of my wages. I can compete against foreigners but the problem is that I am not willing to sacrifice the yearly increments, lower wages and benefits so that I get the damn job.

Originally posted by fymk:

They will never be voted in. Simple.

It is not PRC phobia . It is about protecting the current rate of my wages. I can compete against foreigners but the problem is that I am not willing to sacrifice the yearly increments, lower wages and benefits so that I get the damn job.

Originally posted by fymk:

Actually and sadly ( I know I am going to be hammered for it) , I hope Australia won't spare a thought for temp working permit visa holders. I like the current protectionism they have for the permanent residents and citizens. It is good because it protects my wage.

I did not come out of Singapore to enter another version of Singapore.

very true!! 100% agree!

Originally posted by fishbuff:

i talked to a viet oz banker last week and when she heard that im a singaporean, she was eager to know why i want to move to australia. she later said to me that over the past 2-3 years, there have been a record number of singaporeans migrating to australia. 10 years ago, she has not heard of singaporean emigrating to australia. i got to know another 3 more new singaporean couples recently around my area.

when will it be your turn, my fellow singaporeans?

it's the effect of global warming