The first duty of a leader is service, to his people with dedication, quality and excellence.

If up to now this basic duty is still very cloudy in his mind and not being understood or followed, with suing or fixing of oppositions and slamming of people who give negative feedbacks or criticisms of his policies and denying problems all the time with all kinds of propaganda calling them ranters, arm-chair critics, or spin doctors then he is not qualified to give lesson on morality or graciousness.

Why? Because his people will simply copy his style of slamming critics and running down people who disagree with them or treating their fellow citizens or subordinates with disdain, rudeness and irrationality just like what he has been doing all thees past 40 plus years.

How could we ever build a gracious society under this type of leadership?

If a good leader leads from the back, why is there a need to have leading salary?

If a good leader is to guide and take care of his/her followers, why are they afraid of citizens developing a 'crutch' mentality by not providing more welfare? And the burning question, if they are afraid of citizens developing a 'crutch' mentality, why is there so much need for 1) CPF, and 2) Annuity?

When i read the article, i thought about aunties with more than 8 items on NTUC's express lane. I thought about drivers stepping on the accelerator when we signal our intention to shift lanes. I thought about public transport commuters turning a blind eye to the pregnant woman and the elderly. That is a problem, reckoned i concurred with LKY. Was discussing with a pal and we came to a conclusion that family values play a part. If your parents are ungracious etc, you have a good chance of being ungracious as well. It doesn't matter what we think anyway. What struck us most was not what LKY said but the comments that ensued on asiaone's website and perhaps the one here.

Apparently people started pushing the blame on the government and LKY instead of reflecting on the ungraceful habits we have. Was just telling my pal:"Mate, i think we have a serious issue in Singapore in that we are farking stupid. So stupid to the point that we actually blame the government for our habits. We blame the government when we can't get a desired job even though we are graduates etc". Seriously, you are who you are and there is no one to blame but yourself.

It is simple, as to why people are what they are today;

... in a country or society where NO ONE cares about you, why should one care about anyone but one's self?

.. it is all about "NO FREE LUNCH" governance...

everyone for themself...

Haven't you heard "Like Father Like Son"? The way a people was brought up, is they way they shall behave...

If your parents are ungracious etc, you have a good chance of being ungracious as well.

And the parents were influenced by who? The no 1 "father" figure in Singapore?

Sue Sue Sue?

Money Money Money?

Criticise me sue you to hell.

Very gracious hor.

Like I mentioned to my friends... it is a reign of tyrants... and it runs in the family as well...

When i read the article, i thought about aunties with more than 8 items on NTUC's express lane. I thought about drivers stepping on the accelerator when we signal our intention to shift lanes. I thought about public transport commuters turning a blind eye to the pregnant woman and the elderly. That is a problem, reckoned i concurred with LKY. Was discussing with a pal and we came to a conclusion that family values play a part. If your parents are ungracious etc, you have a good chance of being ungracious as well. It doesn't matter what we think anyway. What struck us most was not what LKY said but the comments that ensued on asiaone's website and perhaps the one here.

Apparently people started pushing the blame on the government and LKY instead of reflecting on the ungraceful habits we have. Was just telling my pal:"Mate, i think we have a serious issue in Singapore in that we are farking stupid. So stupid to the point that we actually blame the government for our habits. We blame the government when we can't get a desired job even though we are graduates etc". Seriously, you are who you are and there is no one to blame but yourself.

frankly i dont quite concurred what u had said. there is nothing wrong when u blame the govt for not getting a desire job becoz the govt has fail to create jobs in the relevant sector for u. that what very top minister of ruling party should do for the citizen of every country. i dont think it is ridiculous to expect everyone from singapore to be gracious. why not let one be themselves instead of expecting to be someone they are not. eg. i encourage those who give up their seats to others but i dont it is necessary to criticise those who do not. Do you ever stand up and clap your hands when u or your friends see someone who give up their seats to the elderly or pregnant women. if not, you are not contributing to the causes of graciousness of opening appreciating someone who did a noble act.

robert teh isnt just blaming PAP for nothing. they way LKY marginalise the opposition is for all to see. that is something definitely not gracious isnt it?

Originally posted by caleb_chiang:

Like I mentioned to my friends... it is a reign of tyrants... and it runs in the family as well...

thumbs up and i agree too!

serve your self interest... that what these people's behaviour are!!!
the pot calling the kettle black

when you are pointing one finger to others, at the same time you are pointing four fingers to yourself

Originally posted by robertteh:

The first duty of a leader is service, to his people with dedication, quality and excellence.

If up to now this basic duty is still very cloudy in his mind and not being understood or followed, with suing or fixing of oppositions and slamming of people who give negative feedbacks or criticisms of his policies and denying problems all the time with all kinds of propaganda calling them ranters, arm-chair critics, or spin doctors then he is not qualified to give lesson on morality or graciousness.

Why? Because his people will simply copy his style of slamming critics and running down people who disagree with them or treating their fellow citizens or subordinates with disdain, rudeness and irrationality just like what he has been doing all thees past 40 plus years.

How could we ever build a gracious society under this type of leadership?

Hmmm...we all know pretty well the situation here. Sad to say, even I am a product of the system here, inculcated with the notion that we all have to drive ourselves to the ground, to study hard and to make ourselves economically viable as we are all cogs in the Sillypore economic wheel(old man said so himself many years ago). Now you know what he thinks of you and me huh, just cogs in the wheel...nothing more....no wonder there is no soul or graciousness here(old man said so himself just a few days ago)....wonder who's fault is it? hmmmmm kekekekeke, yup I agree its just like father like son.....Sillypore is a mirror image of you know who.....so all the success and flaws like economic greed, ungraciousness naturally comes from him.....

So let us continue being No.1 and do what we do best, earn more money for bigger cars and condos while the rest of us including myself jump ship to go to far more gracious countries

kekekek

Originally posted by robertteh:

The first duty of a leader is service, to his people with dedication, quality and excellence.

If up to now this basic duty is still very cloudy in his mind and not being understood or followed, with suing or fixing of oppositions and slamming of people who give negative feedbacks or criticisms of his policies and denying problems all the time with all kinds of propaganda calling them ranters, arm-chair critics, or spin doctors then he is not qualified to give lesson on morality or graciousness.

Why? Because his people will simply copy his style of slamming critics and running down people who disagree with them or treating their fellow citizens or subordinates with disdain, rudeness and irrationality just like what he has been doing all thees past 40 plus years.

How could we ever build a gracious society under this type of leadership?

Put it this way, if they kenna sued, they are given the opportunity to defend themselves as well

They are free to sue him too if they feel that he has said something wrong about them.

So going by the rational, the Americans with Bush Jr as President, they should speak some form of alien English and are stupid as well?

Or are you saying that Singaporeans are just monkeys who don't have a mind of their own and will only copy the behavior of their government?

Put it this way, if they kenna sued, they are given the opportunity to defend themselves as well

But can they win?

Originally posted by kramnave:

When i read the article, i thought about aunties with more than 8 items on NTUC's express lane. I thought about drivers stepping on the accelerator when we signal our intention to shift lanes. I thought about public transport commuters turning a blind eye to the pregnant woman and the elderly. That is a problem, reckoned i concurred with LKY. Was discussing with a pal and we came to a conclusion that family values play a part. If your parents are ungracious etc, you have a good chance of being ungracious as well. It doesn't matter what we think anyway. What struck us most was not what LKY said but the comments that ensued on asiaone's website and perhaps the one here.

Apparently people started pushing the blame on the government and LKY instead of reflecting on the ungraceful habits we have. Was just telling my pal:"Mate, i think we have a serious issue in Singapore in that we are farking stupid. So stupid to the point that we actually blame the government for our habits. We blame the government when we can't get a desired job even though we are graduates etc". Seriously, you are who you are and there is no one to blame but yourself.

Why do people complain about people complaining rather than be helpful? Gracious me you!

let's put it this way. the 'government impact' on society, may form a kind of 'subculture' among the people. and then the govt isn't too happy about it, and when the non-conformists voice out, we had their d*cks shoved into our mouths.

If you let yourself be remade by his system into an ungracious fella, then you've only got yourself to blame.

Where's your free will? You decide whether you want to be gracious, well-mannered or whether you want the system to work you over.

Gahmen say jump, you must ask how high meh? That's daft and you know it.

... sigh.. I Have no eyes to see anymore..

Originally posted by kramnave:

When i read the article, i thought about aunties with more than 8 items on NTUC's express lane. I thought about drivers stepping on the accelerator when we signal our intention to shift lanes. I thought about public transport commuters turning a blind eye to the pregnant woman and the elderly. That is a problem, reckoned i concurred with LKY. Was discussing with a pal and we came to a conclusion that family values play a part. If your parents are ungracious etc, you have a good chance of being ungracious as well. It doesn't matter what we think anyway. What struck us most was not what LKY said but the comments that ensued on asiaone's website and perhaps the one here.

Apparently people started pushing the blame on the government and LKY instead of reflecting on the ungraceful habits we have. Was just telling my pal:"Mate, i think we have a serious issue in Singapore in that we are farking stupid. So stupid to the point that we actually blame the government for our habits. We blame the government when we can't get a desired job even though we are graduates etc". Seriously, you are who you are and there is no one to blame but yourself.

Agreed we as singaporeans are to blame for such behaviour but i believe society and meybe the govt should shoulder some blame.

How so u ask? Singapore is a very competitive country, there are people who work very hard and earn little. We work long hours as well. It is different from Oz "mate" whereby u can have a comfortable life doing part time work and ask the capitalist "the hell do u work so hard for? do u rly need so much $?" The wage system in Oz protects low income earners by taxing the high income earners. Therefore allowing Ozzies to follow their heart. I would have luved to be a blue collar worker under the sun using my hands and enjoying laughs and a beer with a colleague whilst i lay bricks. Try that in Singapore "mate" and try that in Ozzieland. I would be working overtime for pay that could hardly afford beer which would be a luxury. Chicks would be like eeeww bricklayer? Can u even afford yerself? much less a family . Ozzieland? tradesman? good money aye buddy? *pat on the back

This inbreeds a selfish nature within the low income earners in SG. Tired after work i see a pregnant woman in the MRT..... give up my seat? Woman i pity you but tough luck i'm not doing too well myself..... let the rich give up their seat..... life hasnt been treating me well.

But i'm not doing too bad some say? $2k+ average stuff mah aiyo....dun say until so chiam..... try buying a small car and a mortgage after that lets see what u can save... capital appreciation? on a 99 year lease? 60k for a decent small car that you have to scrap after what 10 years?

The big tickets in life ie car and house are cheaper in Oz as compared to Sg dude. Why dont you try spending the same amount of $ for a house in Oz for a "house" in Sg? Lets see how much harder you have to work for the same "luxury".

Originally posted by genie99:

The big tickets in life ie car and house are cheaper in Oz as compared to Sg dude. Why dont you try spending the same amount of $ for a house in Oz for a "house" in Sg? Lets see how much harder you have to work for the same "luxury".

Why don't Senior Minister Lee and the rich try to be poor? Meybe then time would be more precious? And they may then turn a blind eye to other people's troubles cos they have to look after #1 ( Ozzie term that means look after yerself first before other stuff)

... to be fair to him, he said it would happen after he is dead and so if you want it to happen faster, you know what to do, pray harder....

Lee Kuan Yew says that Singapore will be a gracious society after he is dead.

I agree with Lee Kuan Yew.

..damn.. hurry up and kick that bucket already, geezer...

True, the ministers serve with dedication with $$ in their mind.

its not easy to be gracious and competitive at the same time

Originally posted by january:

its not easy to be gracious and competitive at the same time

Originally posted by robertteh:

As future or potential MPs or Ministers it seems that the best policy for all of them is to adopt the selfish attitude that there should not be carrying bad news to the emperor.

This is clearly found in the replies of MPs to my above-stated proposal to amend the constitution.

I see the same policy being adopted by Reach or the former Feedback Unit - no reply no response and not saying anything right or wrong to avoid affecting their own career.

The same thing is happening to my recent feedback about the flaws and defects in our constitution to MPs.

Most of the MPs do not reply to my emails. Some of the MPs at least replied and say they will look into my suggestions. One of them said she has referred my proposal to the ministry of law. When I replied asking her what would be her views as MP she replied again repeating that this matter come under the Ministry of Law and that is that.

The majority of MPs adopted a very arm-length attitude "saying thank you for your feedback and have a good day". So I can see that nearly all the MPs are too afraid to get involved with real problem feedbacks. One of them went into the topic and informed me I have been idealistic citing examples like Indonesia or Fillippines said to be caused by democracy. I responded with rationale and because of them the MP replied again agreeing that certain parts of the constitution need amendments. I asked "if he finds my suggestions objective or reasonable why not convey them to the higher up ministers". There were no replies after that. So the issues and problems brought up in my proposal are conveniently side-stepped and forgotten.

Everyone of the MPs seems to be afraid of being involved in some negative feedback which may affect his or her career.

Can we have good leadership or talent in government if our MPs adopt this kind of attitude or policy to avoid carrying bad or unpleasant news to the emperor to be free of getting into troubles with their own career themselves.

mmmm... food for thought

no eyes see loh unless he gone or we no freedom
our life is like control by them we no say de , he say up price than we have to folo n is immedate no grace period one.before vote say nothing will go up , vote liao say become of global need thing have to increase
all they say we no say ,so blind blind walk lah