MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by pluto891 @ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:58:54 +0800

pluto891 — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:58:54 +0800

let's put it this way. If Mindchamps, adam khoo, shicida and the likes will work wonder and are able to produce fantastic kids and outstanding students, then there is no need to have schools or teachers. Just send all the children to such courses and they will produce future leaders, scholars and millionaires ......

Let's be realistic ... such motivation courses may work on some children but certainly not all.

Some S'pore schools have engaged them to coach the pupils and results are mixed.

Let's not be so guilible. Parents, teachers and the these coaches can only guide. The most important factor is the kid himself/herself want to change for the better.

Lastly, the companies employs marketing and branding strategies and we are enriching their pockets...... :)

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by w.eikaas @ Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:52:53 +0800

w.eikaas — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:52:53 +0800

ultimately, it;s all dependent on the child applying what he/she has learnt in her school subjects.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by the Bear @ Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:38:44 +0800

the Bear — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:38:44 +0800

Originally posted by 787180:

MINDCHAMPs has been using students who excel and important educators such as former RGS principal to endorse.I understand that they provide methods to study as oppse to rote learning but the fact is that it did not really goes into core contents of the subjects.From K1 to even varsity level the fee for each student ranges from $3000 to $6000 so exorbitant.My neighbours sent her son P6 and daughter sec 4 spending .$10k and yet no results.The p6 boy went for English course and emphasis on essay writing but fare badly in recent PSLE in 2007. The teachers did not even mark his practice papers even though they tried to teach him to write better.They instead asked the boy to bring back essay paper to be marked by his pte tutor.

What I understand is that the marketers they employed work like insurance agent.ie they're paid on comission basis..many of their marketers are only out getting pple to sign up and they are paid very lucratively hence the bulk of the comissions account for the high fees charged $3000 to $6000.These marketers are paid and even be rewarded based on how many students signed up for the courses.My neighbours' students even remarked they love going there to play as co emphaise play to encourage learning but these 2 children p4 & sec 4 obviously did not reap much benefits..luckily their parents can afford to splurge on them.Anyone can comment on MINDCHAMP

you inflicted your children with it, you suffer the consequences..

they can sell whatever the hell you want, and if you are dumb enough to buy it, it's your fault..

caveat emptor..

suck it up... and learn not to be a sucker again

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by kopiosatu @ Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:31:24 +0800

kopiosatu — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:31:24 +0800

too expensive then don't sign up

its not force upon you to give your kids all these.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by 787180 @ Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:26:07 +0800

787180 — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:26:07 +0800

just out of curiosity out of average course fee of about $5000,yr comission is about $2500(50% right)? If true is indeed atrocious .recently my friend signed up and the instructors want to cut down on the scheduled no of lessons,wad’s the logic/ after paying $,then resort to this tactic?

many students joined and were inspired for the first few weeks only but as time passes all the lax,lazy attitudes creep back again,typical comments by most parents lamenting about the exorbitant charges after seeing their children back to square ones again.Those advertised to show phenomenal success including yr child are only a handful ones whose success are not necessarily due to MINDCHAMP’s efforts or teachings.How is Adam Khoo’s teaching techniques differ from yr MINDCHAMPS?

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by ppfly @ Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:16:53 +0800

ppfly — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:16:53 +0800

I am one of those ‘marketers’ in MindChamps. Yes, we work on a commission basis. NO, we are not insurance agents! I am an Education Success Coach, with specialised training to best advise families on how to help their kids improve in school and in their personal life. If a child is not suited for MindChamps, I will not recommend the program – what I do is not just about making money, it is about transforming lives!

Before I became an Education Success Coach, I enrolled my son into MindChamps. That was 4 years ago. Because of MindChamps, he is now a scholar at NTU! I was so amazed at his transformation that I wanted to share my experience with other parents. And being an Education Success Coach allows me to do just that. I am passionate about what I do and really, you should consider approaching us if you feel your child needs help.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by 787180 @ Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:15:55 +0800

787180 — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:15:55 +0800

They only post results that are favourable to themselves..those students who failed or did not show improvements are not revealed..just a handful of those who have excelled are spread across the media and they get prominent pple to advertise too like ex-principal of RGS

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by dukedracula @ Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:08:54 +0800

dukedracula — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:08:54 +0800

programme like these are about rah rah, sometimes it sticks but sometimes doesn't.....while i don't rule out the usefulness of such programme, i am very doubtful of some claims......majority have short term effects, it's like drugs, you need constant feeding to get moving

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by eagle @ Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:03:04 +0800

eagle — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:03:04 +0800

Best is self learn, and then come Homework Forum to discuss

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by 787180 @ Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:59:36 +0800

787180 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:59:36 +0800

All their facilitors earn fat comissions out of their $3000 to $6000 course fees charged just like insurance agents probably to pay for the high advertising fees and understand MINDCHAMP do not really teach but > of play

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by Hello Kitty @ Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:54:28 +0800

Hello Kitty — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:54:28 +0800

me no beliv he/she is genuine.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by weiqimun @ Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:51:25 +0800

weiqimun — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:51:25 +0800

Originally posted by Champy:

Hmm, I sent my son to Mindchamps last year and he did very well for PSLE … got all A’s when previous he got only B’s and C’s.

I’ve been sending him to tuition since P3 but never see much improvement. That’s why I wanted something different. I don’t believe in rote learning and what’s the point of memorizing when you don’t understand and can’t apply? My son also improved in his attitude so overall it was a good program.

bro, your nick sounds suspicious leh. anyway, congrats on your kid's good result, regardless.

i think if the parents believe and the kids has the motivation to go thru' it, then so be it.

it is not cheap. i certainly cannot afford for my kids, if i have any.

the other often used methods is NLP. again, it has its detractors, but it does have good learning points if one takes to heart the teachings its preaches.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by Champy @ Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:13 +0800

Champy — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:00:13 +0800

Hmm, I sent my son to Mindchamps last year and he did very well for PSLE … got all A’s when previous he got only B’s and C’s.

I’ve been sending him to tuition since P3 but never see much improvement. That’s why I wanted something different. I don’t believe in rote learning and what’s the point of memorizing when you don’t understand and can’t apply? My son also improved in his attitude so overall it was a good program.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by phil30k @ Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:53:44 +0800

phil30k — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:53:44 +0800

I think adults need further education too.

Instead of just judo and cooking and arts and crafts, it would be nice to be able to have some night courses in economics or something like that, just to get caught up in what's new in the world without having to enter into a school.

I wonder how many people would be interested?

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by 787180 @ Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:24:11 +0800

787180 — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:24:11 +0800

My neighbour’s son incurred >$6000 on Eng course alone for just a few months and the results still shows no improvement at all..not everybody is going to benefit from it.The worse is their agents( a bit like those insurance agents) keep pushing her to recommend and introduce her to sign up for > courses offered..outright aim is to maximise profits…can’t understand why so many suckers still willing to be sucked / lured into it?

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by No9 @ Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:04:18 +0800

No9 — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:04:18 +0800

Originally posted by 787180:

..Their advertisements are indeed very persusaive..no wonder so many got pluck...show only the improvement of the minority but the majority did not fare well or remain the same

Is the end of the day, their objective is to maximise profits.

their advertisments only show those few outstanding students. I am sure other agencies can provide similar results.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by phil30k @ Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:50:32 +0800

phil30k — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:50:32 +0800

Actually different children learn things differently, at different speeds, require different types of motivation etc.

Anytime a one-size-fits-all technique is put forward, you can be sure it's just empty marketing promises. No need to look any futher. There is no such thing.

Private tutors and parents involvement help a lot. Parents are responsible to motivate their children. Schools are there to give structure but the child needs your involvement and personal attention to round off the education.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by 787180 @ Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:36:38 +0800

787180 — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:36:38 +0800

Originally posted by ceecookie:

Mindchamps is bullshit,enough said.

..Their advertisements are indeed very persusaive..no wonder so many got pluck...show only the improvement of the minority but the majority did not fare well or remain the same

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by fudgester @ Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:54:47 +0800

fudgester — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:54:47 +0800

Bottom line....

If the student is not motivated enough, the best teaching methods in the world will be useless on him.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by ceecookie @ Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:31:34 +0800

ceecookie — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:31:34 +0800

Mindchamps is bullshit,enough said.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by 787180 @ Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:25:07 +0800

787180 — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:25:07 +0800

Any more parents with similar situation as above?

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by 787180 @ Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:54:53 +0800

787180 — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:54:53 +0800

Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:

There'll teach you whatever they can teach you within a few days.

And the methods are employed are highly interactive, so you'll sure gain something. But the thing is, most methods they taught, which I feel, is not suitable for me.

I'm someone who hold high believes for rote learning.

You'll feel fully charged and fill with motivation, but these at most lasted one weeks only for me.

So I still think that rote learning is better for me.

Your words exactly echo what my best friend's father said after spending >$4k on his p4 son..first 2 weeks fully charged and motivated after that all the buzz just went off and he still did not fare any better..so it's money into the drain..but every body still flocking here because of strong advertising and powerful persusaive techniques..Isn't it regulated by MOE?

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by Darkness_hacker99 @ Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:02:27 +0800

Darkness_hacker99 — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:02:27 +0800

There'll teach you whatever they can teach you within a few days.

And the methods are employed are highly interactive, so you'll sure gain something. But the thing is, most methods they taught, which I feel, is not suitable for me.

I'm someone who hold high believes for rote learning.

You'll feel fully charged and fill with motivation, but these at most lasted one weeks only for me.

So I still think that rote learning is better for me.

MINDCHAMPS so costly? replied by 787180 @ Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:57:26 +0800

787180 — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:57:26 +0800

MINDCHAMPs has been using students who excel and important educators such as former RGS principal to endorse.I understand that they provide methods to study as oppse to rote learning but the fact is that it did not really goes into core contents of the subjects.From K1 to even varsity level the fee for each student ranges from $3000 to $6000 so exorbitant.My neighbours sent her son P6 and daughter sec 4 spending .$10k and yet no results.The p6 boy went for English course and emphasis on essay writing but fare badly in recent PSLE in 2007. The teachers did not even mark his practice papers even though they tried to teach him to write better.They instead asked the boy to bring back essay paper to be marked by his pte tutor.

What I understand is that the marketers they employed work like insurance agent.ie they're paid on comission basis..many of their marketers are only out getting pple to sign up and they are paid very lucratively hence the bulk of the comissions account for the high fees charged $3000 to $6000.These marketers are paid and even be rewarded based on how many students signed up for the courses.My neighbours' students even remarked they love going there to play as co emphaise play to encourage learning but these 2 children p4 & sec 4 obviously did not reap much benefits..luckily their parents can afford to splurge on them.Anyone can comment on MINDCHAMP

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