2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by eagle @ Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:05:42 +0800

eagle — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:05:42 +0800

Originally posted by FireAndHell:

Skinny carries 48+20kg load = 68kg load.
Big build carries 65+20kg load = 85kg load.

Guess who'll outlast the pace?? Skinny with high endurance can last longer than a fit, big build person with short endurance. Somemore, big build person's body heat tend to dissipate heat slower due to body mass, leading to increase need of more water and faster heat exhaustion.

I'd rather be the skinny with high endurance. When I was in NS, my skinny buddy outran, outpace and outlast me even though I was the bigger muscular person that i am.

And, being bigger, I have to lug a GPMG and ammo.....sigh!!

Try again by percentage

In NS, my buddy who was much heavier than me managed a load with no problem. Just that he has less endurance, but the load was no problem to him, or so he claims, when I offered to switch field pack with him since his was about few kg heavier.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by FireAndHell @ Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:59:59 +0800

FireAndHell — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:59:59 +0800

Originally posted by happieman:

The definition of physical fitness - the ability to carry one's weight and perform at a certain standards.

Just to give an example - when there is a war .. how fast or how well you can run away !!

This is different thing as combat fit - which i see a bit unfair ..

Cos irregardless u r physically fit, big build, small bult, skinny, fat, etc .. u have to carry the same amount of weight (e.g. 20 KG) and clear the same standrad obstaclessss...

E.g. A skinny guy (e.g. 48kg) to carry 20KG to perform standard obstacles, and a wellbuilt guy (e.g. 65kg) to carry 20 KG and clear same obstacles.

This is not fair !

Skinny carries 48+20kg load = 68kg load.
Big build carries 65+20kg load = 85kg load.

Guess who'll outlast the pace?? Skinny with high endurance can last longer than a fit, big build person with short endurance. Somemore, big build person's body heat tend to dissipate heat slower due to body mass, leading to increase need of more water and faster heat exhaustion.

I'd rather be the skinny with high endurance. When I was in NS, my skinny buddy outran, outpace and outlast me even though I was the bigger muscular person that i am.

And, being bigger, I have to lug a GPMG and ammo.....sigh!!

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by iveco @ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:07:14 +0800

iveco — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:07:14 +0800

Originally posted by stellazio:

remove the blardy fcuking sbj.

The shuttle run is harder to pass. Yoiu need the reflexes of Kimi Raikonnen.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by heavenhell @ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:57:03 +0800

heavenhell — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:57:03 +0800

Strength isnt always correlated to size.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by eagle @ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:21:36 +0800

eagle — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:21:36 +0800

Skinny can also train to big with the correct training and nutrition. I've frens who succeeded. There are also many many other such success stories

It is always the survival of the fittest

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by fudgester @ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:17:07 +0800

fudgester — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:17:07 +0800

Originally posted by happieman:

E.g. A skinny guy (e.g. 48kg) to carry 20KG to perform standard obstacles, and a wellbuilt guy (e.g. 65kg) to carry 20 KG and clear same obstacles.

This is not fair !

So how?

In times of war, a skinny guy should carry a pistol, while a well-built guy should carry a heavy machine gun?

Must be fair, right?

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by alwaysdisturbed @ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:18:26 +0800

alwaysdisturbed — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:18:26 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

This is a rather dumb reason

he's talking with ignorance.
less strain on heart and body. might as well take a stroll.

during my bfsc, i was taught the distance 2.4km was selected because it is the best distance that test one's anaerobic and aerobic energy systems.

if i'm not wrong, SAF is not the only army that uses the 2.4km.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by happieman @ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:46:45 +0800

happieman — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:46:45 +0800

Originally posted by kopiosatu:

if we're all different then why are the standards for IPPT the same?

a heavy guy requires a lot of muscle to do a pull up

a skinny boy can do it easily

The definition of physical fitness - the ability to carry one's weight and perform at a certain standards.

Just to give an example - when there is a war .. how fast or how well you can run away !!

This is different thing as combat fit - which i see a bit unfair ..

Cos irregardless u r physically fit, big build, small bult, skinny, fat, etc .. u have to carry the same amount of weight (e.g. 20 KG) and clear the same standrad obstaclessss...

E.g. A skinny guy (e.g. 48kg) to carry 20KG to perform standard obstacles, and a wellbuilt guy (e.g. 65kg) to carry 20 KG and clear same obstacles.

This is not fair !

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by happieman @ Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:41:36 +0800

happieman — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:41:36 +0800

Originally posted by googoomuck:

Besidesphysical health, one factor the older boys must consider is their weight. At 18 yo, they might have weighed 60-65 kgs. At 30-45 yo, their weight might have increased to 75-85 kgs - extra 15-18 kgs to carry along.

Not always true ... me and many of my friends .. still in good shape .. in fact much better shape when we were active .. not 37 still doing much better than those in their early twenties ..

my IPPT always top the rest ..

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by eagle @ Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:57:12 +0800

eagle — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:57:12 +0800

Originally posted by casshern:

i'm on consistant trainings, both running and swimming. but unfortunately i just cant breath properly. anyway my unit always want us to go for gold, but nothing less than a silver

we must know that each person have different physical capabilities and limitations. of cos u can say that if u never test ur limit u will never know ur max. well, how many of us wan to test that limit and risk losing our lives? like those who collapsed trying to clock a better timing in their runs. i rather play safe and stop when i know i cant go any further. just my 2 cents worth

You are making wrong comparisons.

1) How do you know those who collapsed are all trying to clock a better timing? Quite likely that they are not doing so, yet still collapse

2) Play safe and stop when cannot stop, it is obvious. However, there's a reason for using progressive training. You should not wait till a test comes before testing your limit.

Lastly, how are your consistent trainings like? Which trainings helped you increase your VO2 max and strengthen your heart? FYI, it is a scientific fact that most people actually breathe mainly through 1 nostril, with the other nostril taking less air. In addition, during cardio, you could breathe through your mouth too. Finally, if you really had a serious problem, you could always get the MO to downgrade.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by royston_ang @ Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:52:22 +0800

royston_ang — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:52:22 +0800

If our soldiers are unable to even run 2.4km, what are we to do if a war broke out?

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by eagle @ Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:49:37 +0800

eagle — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:49:37 +0800

Originally posted by casshern:

cos the 2.4km run is the one that really push ur body if u are not well trained for this run.

it involves heavy cardio activities and without proper training and heart problems, you might be lying 6 feet under after tat

How many people actually bother to do their own proper training before complaining?

And if you have heart problems (of cuz if you know it), you wouldn't even be running or doing anything strenuous. If you dunno it, any other exercise (not necessary 2.4) could kill.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by casshern @ Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:46:28 +0800

casshern — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:46:28 +0800

Originally posted by will4:

I have been reading that most of the fatality in IPPT is caused by the 2.4 km run instead of other sation. Any idea?

cos the 2.4km run is the one that really push ur body if u are not well trained for this run.

it involves heavy cardio activities and without proper training and heart problems, you might be lying 6 feet under after tat

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by casshern @ Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:45:17 +0800

casshern — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:45:17 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

Somehow I was like that too last time

But nowadays, after I did more training by myself, the problem is almost gone. However, it was a long process.

Regarding bone heavy and not being able to do chin ups is just an excuse. If people can easily train up to do chin ups with an extra 10kg or more weight, I don't see how your friend is not able to do it with 'heavy' bone. How much heavier can it be compared to normal people?

i'm on consistant trainings, both running and swimming. but unfortunately i just cant breath properly. anyway my unit always want us to go for gold, but nothing less than a silver

we must know that each person have different physical capabilities and limitations. of cos u can say that if u never test ur limit u will never know ur max. well, how many of us wan to test that limit and risk losing our lives? like those who collapsed trying to clock a better timing in their runs. i rather play safe and stop when i know i cant go any further. just my 2 cents worth

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by dumbdumb! @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:11:51 +0800

dumbdumb! — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:11:51 +0800

lol lets all migrate

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by eagle @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:04:26 +0800

eagle — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:04:26 +0800

Originally posted by will4:

I have been reading that most of the fatality in IPPT is caused by the 2.4 km run instead of other sation. Any idea?

many fatalities are also caused during marathons or longer distance running... There's a thread in pumping iron on this.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by 2cansam @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:04:39 +0800

2cansam — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:04:39 +0800

shouldn’t this be in the NS corner @@

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by will4 @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:28:22 +0800

will4 — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:28:22 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

Somehow I was like that too last time

But nowadays, after I did more training by myself, the problem is almost gone. However, it was a long process.

Regarding bone heavy and not being able to do chin ups is just an excuse. If people can easily train up to do chin ups with an extra 10kg or more weight, I don't see how your friend is not able to do it with 'heavy' bone. How much heavier can it be compared to normal people?

I have been reading that most of the fatality in IPPT is caused by the 2.4 km run instead of other sation. Any idea?

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by eagle @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:26:33 +0800

eagle — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:26:33 +0800

Originally posted by casshern:

i easily clock full points for the stations, but i have this nasal defect which allows me to breath through only one nostril. so i always struggle with cardiovascular activites, eg 2.4km run.

Somehow I was like that too last time

But nowadays, after I did more training by myself, the problem is almost gone. However, it was a long process.

Regarding bone heavy and not being able to do chin ups is just an excuse. If people can easily train up to do chin ups with an extra 10kg or more weight, I don't see how your friend is not able to do it with 'heavy' bone. How much heavier can it be compared to normal people?

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by heavenhell @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:58:06 +0800

heavenhell — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:58:06 +0800

The guy who wrote to the forum is stupid..Obviously those "fitness experts"meant 20 minutes in a moderate pace.To sustain 2.4km within 10 mins?- Self explainatory.

Also its not about the duration..rather the DENSITY.In short, how much work is done.

Who gives a crap if you work the whole day in the office but only 1/2 of the work is done?

Does he even read the papers?Most of the people dead were those running long distances at a slower pace over 2 hours.NOT 10 mins at a much higher pace.

Long live the 2.4km

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by stellazio @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:56:42 +0800

stellazio — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:56:42 +0800

remove the blardy fcuking sbj.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by casshern @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:35:57 +0800

casshern — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:35:57 +0800

IMHO, i felt that the IPPT should not be called IPPT

IPPT = Individual Physical Proficiency Test

but the results are across the board based on age only. but some pple are naturally bone-heavy or some have other physical defects. so somehow one way or another these pple lose out although they are fit.

i easily clock full points for the stations, but i have this nasal defect which allows me to breath through only one nostril. so i always struggle with cardiovascular activites, eg 2.4km run.

another is my friend who can run 2.4 in under 9mins 40secs. but just because he's heavy he cant pull his pull ups and jump SBJ he have to settle for silver or sometimes pass

the IPPT should be renamed to PPT instead, leaving out the word Individual.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by eagle @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:12:06 +0800

eagle — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:12:06 +0800

Originally posted by kopiosatu:

if we're all different then why are the standards for IPPT the same?

a heavy guy requires a lot of muscle to do a pull up

a skinny boy can do it easily

That is considered bodyweight exercises. More of a gauge of your strength relative to your bodyweight.

There are also skinny people who are zero-fighters, and extremely heavy people who can do 12 chin ups with ease.

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by kopiosatu @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:10:18 +0800

kopiosatu — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:10:18 +0800

if we're all different then why are the standards for IPPT the same?

a heavy guy requires a lot of muscle to do a pull up

a skinny boy can do it easily

2.4km run in IPPT for soldiers to stay: Mindef replied by eagle @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:08:19 +0800

eagle — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:08:19 +0800

Originally posted by reddressman:

JUST HAVE 1 THING TO SAY :

EVERYONE IS BUILT DIFFERENTLY.

NOT ALL LIVE TO THE SAME AGE BEFORE THEY DIE OR RETIRE.

CONGRATS EVERYONE.

U DESERVE TO BE CONGRATULATED.

Sometimes it is worth thinking

Although we are different due to different genes, have we done anything to make sure that our bodies can survive till its genetic potential? Or are we destroying our bodies by doing too many things that reduce the genetic potential?

And one other question to everyone too: Do you regard your own health and fitness as a self-responsibility? I do.

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