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    ^tamago^'s Avatar
    49,802 posts since Sep '03

    • Sec 5 class advised: Go to ITE instead
      Principal tells students that they are unlikely to do well at O levels

      Straits Times, The (Singapore)
      January 12, 2008
      Author: Sandra Davie, Education Correspondent


      CALL it a disheartening start to the new school year.

      A group of 27 girls in a Secondary 5 class in a mission school - which shall remain unnamed - were advised by their principal on the first day of school last week to seek transfers to the Institute of Technical Education (ITE), since they were unlikely to do well in the O levels this year.

      To back her point, she even flashed the girls' detailed N-level grades on the board in class using an overhead projector; she also stressed that she wanted 100 per cent passes in her school.

      The result: teens with punctured self-confidence and some fuming parents.

      The girls, who had done well enough in last year's N-level examinations to get to Sec 5, were looking to repeat their good performance at the O levels this year and move on to the polytechnics.

      Those with strong N-level results had a new option this year: They could have skipped Sec 5 and headed for higher-level technical courses at ITE, but the deadline for applications closed on Jan 2.

      Five girls from the class confirmed the incident.

      They have decided to stay on in the school, but if they choose to take their principal's advice, they can still apply for ITE courses starting in April.

      The father of one of the five, describing the incident as 'totally defeating' for parents like him, said he and his wife had been motivating their daughter to aim to do well in the O levels this year.

      'My daughter's self-esteem had gone up multiple levels just seeing her results and realising her hopes to attempt the O levels.

      How are we to motivate our children to do better with second chances when there are principals who are so uncaring and unethical?'

      His daughter said she is not considering a transfer to the ITE because she wants to go on to a polytechnic after Sec 5.

      She added: 'It is very sad when your principal doesn't have faith in you and will not give you a chance.'

      But having decided to stay on, she said she feels added pressure to do well: 'I feel quite nervous, and so do quite a few of my classmates.'

      Another parent said that after the principal's talk, he had to do 'damage control' to convince his daughter that she stood a good chance of getting into a sports management course in a polytechnic.

      A third parent, a mother, is considering writing to the Ministry of Education (MOE).

      Saying this was a result of school heads being too concerned with MOE's annual ranking of schools, she added: 'This is a mission school at that. Where's the compassion?'

      She said she thought moves to weed out weaker students by urging them to drop difficult subjects were a thing of the past.

      When annual ranking of secondary schools was introduced in 1992, some schools were reported to have pressed students to drop 'tougher' subjects such as Literature, in apparent attempts to protect or improve their rankings.

      MOE has tweaked the system, taking fewer subjects into account.

      About 60 per cent of Normal stream students who sit for the O levels do well enough to win places in the polytechnics.

      Of the five girls who spoke to The Straits Times, only one defended her principal, saying she 'meant well'.

      Said the teen: 'My class is a weak class. Some of the girls may be better off in the ITE.'

      sandra@sph.com.sg

      Copyright, 2008, Singapore Press Holdings Limited

      Edited by ^tamago^ 17 Jan `08, 11:49AM
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  • 我又郁闷了...
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    49,802 posts since Sep '03
    • Principal's stance
      Straits Times, The (Singapore)
      January 12, 2008


      THE school principal told The Straits Times yesterday she was merely trying to give her girls a 'wake-up call' when she spoke to them on the first day of school.

      She confirmed that she had used an overhead projector to display the girls' results, but that it was to impress on them that they would have to work hard to qualify for a place in the polytechnics.

      She said: 'It's a fact. If a student scored a Grade 4 or 5 for a subject in the N levels, she is unlikely to pass the subject in the O levels.'

      N-level subjects are graded from 1 to 5, with 1 being the best grade.

      The principal added: 'Some...who don't qualify for poly will end up in the ITE anyway, so they might as well go direct to the ITE.'

      She confirmed that she told the girls she wanted 100 per cent passes in her school, but that what she meant was that she wanted all her girls to do well in the O levels - not that she did not want poor performers to tar the school's record or lower its ranking.

      Noting that well over 80 per cent of her Normal stream students who sat for the O levels last year did well enough to qualify for the polytechnics, she added: 'But it takes a lot of hard work and the girls needed to know that.'

      When given the principal's side of the story, two of the parents interviewed said that if all she wanted was to give the girls a wake-up call, she could have done it differently.

      One parent said: 'I would have preferred it if she had called the parents in and given them the hard facts, instead of destroying the confidence of the girls.'

      SANDRA DAVIE

      Copyright, 2008, Singapore Press Holdings Limited

  • LazerLordz's Avatar
    34,790 posts since Apr '03
    • Usual damage control crap.

      Some mission schools are very religious in their belief in rankings. I've been there and seen it.

  • ctstalin's Avatar
    3,313 posts since Dec '04
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  • furb's Avatar
    446 posts since Jan '07
    • Such principal needs to be fired. Who the hell say sec 5 who don't do well cannot go poly. Even if they really can't, at least they never give up and are still trying.

      Personally, I'm been through N-level (Yes, I'm a normal academic) and I have to say, O-level is not that difficult if u work hard for it.

      Don't think that I'm boasting just because I made it to poly, i give u a personal experience.

      I did badly for my mid year test and my prelim. I got 28+ for L1R4 due to me slacking off and goofing around the whole year.

      But, after that I decided that it will be the end for me if I don't start studying, so I worked hard for 2 weeks (without slacking off) and manage to get a L1R4 of 14 and got into my dream course for poly.

      So if a person work hard whole year round, there really no reason he would fail his O's.

      Lucky or not for me, my main point is, school is a learning insituition, a place where students are encourage to learn. It's not a place where u demoralise students from learning.

  • LazerLordz's Avatar
    34,790 posts since Apr '03
    • I knew of a few Sec 5s given up by my school, and they're currently in grad school in America now.

      Had an army mate who got a job in Canada with his NTC cert after ORD. Living there well too.

  • stellazio's Avatar
    44,905 posts since Apr '05
    • Lj, giving them wake up call.

      School's nowadays only care about their name, not the students anymore. Mad

  • LazerLordz's Avatar
    34,790 posts since Apr '03
    • Originally posted by stellazio:
      Lj, giving them wake up call.

      School's nowadays only care about their name, not the students anymore. Mad

      Precisely.

      *digs around for 200k to send future kids to UWC*

  • turbo_drift's Avatar
    20,992 posts since Feb '07
    • Originally posted by furb:
      Such principal needs to be fired. Who the hell say sec 5 who don't do well cannot go poly. Even if they really can't, at least they never give up and are still trying.

      Personally, I'm been through N-level (Yes, I'm a normal academic) and I have to say, O-level is not that difficult if u work hard for it.

      Don't think that I'm boasting just because I made it to poly, i give u a personal experience.

      I did badly for my mid year test and my prelim. I got 28+ for L1R4 due to me slacking off and goofing around the whole year.

      But, after that I decided that it will be the end for me if I don't start studying, so I worked hard for 2 weeks (without slacking off) and manage to get a L1R4 of 14 and got into my dream course for poly.

      So if a person work hard whole year round, there really no reason he would fail his O's.

      Lucky or not for me, my main point is, school is a learning insituition, a place where students are encourage to learn. It's not a place where u demoralise students from learning.

      It depends on whether you (the students) want to work hard or just continue to slack.

      I mean, face it, some students are just being too lazy to study and therefore, the results are just being "too beautiful" to straight to ITE.

      Some how, i have to agree you that principal were just too... Neutral ..

      Again, not everyone can made it to poly like you do. Wink

      Hope you don't get the wrong meaning. Wink

      Cheers.

  • Darkness_hacker99's Avatar
    31,727 posts since Jun '05
    • I got U for Combine humanities for N level, and a B4 for O level. Wink

      Just put in all da effort and you can make the difference.

  • ndmmxiaomayi's Avatar
    53,276 posts since Aug '05
    • It's a mindset problem. If people don't have the impression that ITE is a second class education institute here, would they have been upset?

      Going where to study doesn't matter. It only matters if you learn from your mates and teachers.

      The principal is wrong, the parents are wrong, and so are the students. Including the writer who wrote this article.

  • BonJovi's Avatar
    1,974 posts since Aug '03
    • I was from Normal Academic stream during my sec sch days. Did my N-Level with average results and went to sec 5 after that. Did my O-Level (average results as well) and managed to enter the Polytechnic studying my 1st choice course. Did well enough to be awarded the Certificate of Merit for my diploma.

      Currently, i'm in NTU year 2 semester 2. It's definitely not the usual route taken by students.

      What i'm trying to say is that one, especially an authoritive figure like a sch principle shouldn't discourage pupils frm going to sec5. The school should instead encourage all their students to go to sec5 and from there, identify those weaker students and gif them extra coaching so that they can go to a Poly or even a JC.

      That's what a school supposed to do isn't it? Instead of discouraging Normal Acad students to go to sec5 so as to prevent them from pulling the school's ranking down.

      That's a very selfish principal and i tink she doesn't understand the true responsibilties of being a school principal. Sad

  • Fatum's Avatar
    23,183 posts since Aug '05

    • you cannot blame the principal ..... she's just a normal, sane, civil servant desperate to keep the key performance indicators on her yearly performance review up and the bonuses coming in ...

      if the appraisal system is more personal and go for things like "number of sec 5 students who passed 0 levels and made it to poly" .... instead of "percentage improvements over last year's scores" ... and "number of ECA national awards achieved" .... perhaps things might have been different .....

  • will4's Avatar
    2,932 posts since Oct '05
    • Originally posted by LazerLordz:
      I knew of a few Sec 5s given up by my school, and they're currently in grad school in America now.

      Had an army mate who got a job in Canada with his NTC cert after ORD. Living there well too.

      I heard that Singapore ITE is very good n their graduates with NTC or ITC are well sought after in Australia?

  • Hocklez's Avatar
    4,586 posts since Oct '03
    • The principal might just meant well to the students, no point for them to waste another year without a full cert to even a poly and go to ite instead right?

      in life, we can have all sorts encouragement but in the end we still have to be realistic.

      i believe in pushing the students till then the end even tho their n lvl result might not make it. they are willing to study, why give them up? Very Happy

  • fatone's Avatar
    651 posts since Sep '07
  • fymk's Avatar
    3,803 posts since Sep '04
    • Actually my principal said the same thing to my class in secondary school before. Missionary school as well. However to her chagrin , more than half the class ended up in poly or JC. Half of my classmates are actually graduates now.

      So it's funny.

  • googoomuck's Avatar
    1,728 posts since Feb '06
    • What's the most important role a principal should play in the school?

      1. Focusing on testing and student test scores
      2. Creating a safe and supportive school environment
      3. Motivating students to do their best, especially to encourage students from lower-middle and low-income homes to do better.

      I think 2 and 3 are more important than 1 if Singapore hopes to produce her own Nobel Laureate one day.

  • LazerLordz's Avatar
    34,790 posts since Apr '03
    • Originally posted by will4:
      I heard that Singapore ITE is very good n their graduates with NTC or ITC are well sought after in Australia?

      If your ITC/NTC (not sure which is the highest ITE qualification) is in a field that is in demand, and you have work experience, it helps in your application scores.

  • i spy with my night vision eyes.
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    11,255 posts since Dec '04
  • kopiosatu's Avatar
    50,922 posts since Jan '03
    • i remember in my secondary school, my principal supports ITE and she told us not to be ashamed when we're there because she feels that ITE provides very good education.

      we need more principals like the one i had.

  • lotus999's Avatar
    632 posts since Apr '05
    • Originally posted by ^tamago^:
      [b]Principal's stance
      Straits Times, The (Singapore)
      January 12, 2008


      She said: 'It's a fact. If a student scored a Grade 4 or 5 for a subject in the N levels, she is unlikely to pass the subject in the O levels.'

      N-level subjects are graded from 1 to 5, with 1 being the best grade.

      The principal added: 'Some...who don't qualify for poly will end up in the ITE anyway, so they might as well go direct to the ITE.'

      She confirmed that she told the girls she wanted 100 per cent passes in her school, but that what she meant was that she wanted all her girls to do well in the O levels - not that she did not want poor performers to tar the school's record or lower its ranking.

      Copyright, 2008, Singapore Press Holdings Limited[/b]

      wow this principal seems to be in the wrong line. she should be in charge of qc in a factory since she is so efficient and decisive in picking out 'not-up-to-standard'.

  • CoolMyth's Avatar
    15,763 posts since Oct '04
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