A chinese man's body claimed by Police.

the wife and other children insist the man has not converted into Muslim, except the eldest son ..

another hard case ..

i have stopped replying to your posts for i thought it will cool down your inciteful comments towards Islam.

but judging from the pattern of your posts, it is no coincidence that they have all been degrading towards Muslim and Islam. One after another, it seems strange that it is all the same.

are you trying to stir racial and religious sentiments in this forum?

Originally posted by faroukalhadad:

i have stopped replying to your posts for i thought it will cool down your inciteful comments towards Islam.

but judging from the pattern of your posts, it is no coincidence that they have all been degrading towards Muslim and Islam. One after another, it seems strange that it is all the same.

are you trying to stir racial and religious sentiments in this forum?

Sorry if you are offended. I was just surprised by what I have read this morning..

Anyway I thought of just trying to understand how other feels about this. But if this offend our fellow muslim friends here.. i apologised and will not post similar thread anymore.

Well TS I believe you are not wrong to post such topic.

This is a forum and healthy discussion on religion is okay. Guess some Malay/Muslim forumners are too sensitive already.

IMO, the wife and other children will most likely (99.9%) lose this case if this case goes to court.

Civil court will push to Sharia Court and Sharia Court always rule in favour of Muslims.

of course its not wrong to post such topics

im just putting down my observation that the topics of the TS have consecutively been anti-Islam articles.

coincidence?

living in multi-religious society like ours, we have to be wary of such "coincidences"

it could lead to a lot of trouble

Dear Farouk,

Look at it this way. He has to read your posts to reply to them. Some of what you wrote has to go into his brain. Enough good things go in and his attitude will change.

honestly, i think its fair. naturally, if you are a muslim, you would be bias towards the goodness of islam.

however, the world has seen a fair share of ugliness and hence, many people would have a biasness against your islam.

this is, afterall a forum... discussion would definitely come into play, whether you agree with the direction of the discussion or not is a different story.

you may believe in righteousness of your religion, but 'islamic courts of law' around the world has shown unacceptable policies towards conventional norms.

also, it is hard to define if such religious courts of law truly adhere to proper teachings of your quran.

According to my knowledge, the eldest son converted to Muslim when he was in secondary school while the rest of the family (parents and his six siblings) remain as non-Muslim.

When the father died, the eldest son suddenly proclaimed the father had converted to Muslim before he died. However, the family claimed that the father did not follow the Islamic rules and still enjoying eating pork up to his death.

I wonder if the family is rich/well to do? Or the father has some inheritance left for the family or something? Cos if I am not wrong, under Islamic law, " A decreased Muslim's asset is not allowed to pass to non-Muslims."

Sometimes I wonder, why some of the Islamic laws are so discrimintive towards non-Muslims?

edited for typo error.

Originally posted by Spartans:

According to my knowledge, the eldest son converted to Muslim when he was in secondary while the rest of the family (parents and his six siblings) remain as non-Muslim.

When the father died, the eldest son suddenly proclaimed the father had converted to Muslim before he died. However, the family claimed that the father did not follow the Islamic rules and still enjoying pork up to his death.

I wonder if the family is rich/well to do? Or the father has some inheritance left for the family or something? Cos if I am not wrong, under Islamic law, " A decreased Muslim's assert is not allowed to pass to non-Muslims."

Sometimes I wonder, why some of the Islamic laws are so discrimintive towards non-Muslims?

i was thinking there could be a factor of money involved .. that's why the eldest son will make such a infilial claims .. bad son

Originally posted by faroukalhadad:

of course its not wrong to post such topics

im just putting down my observation that the topics of the TS have consecutively been anti-Islam articles.

coincidence?

living in multi-religious society like ours, we have to be wary of such "coincidences"

it could lead to a lot of trouble

i was thinking whether is it advisable for you to explain and educate all the queries by our mates here ... since they are having similar doubts and confussions.. do you think it is advisable ?

Originally posted by Spartans:

According to my knowledge, the eldest son converted to Muslim when he was in secondary while the rest of the family (parents and his six siblings) remain as non-Muslim.

When the father died, the eldest son suddenly proclaimed the father had converted to Muslim before he died. However, the family claimed that the father did not follow the Islamic rules and still enjoying pork up to his death.

I wonder if the family is rich/well to do? Or the father has some inheritance left for the family or something? Cos if I am not wrong, under Islamic law, " A decreased Muslim's assert is not allowed to pass to non-Muslims."

Sometimes I wonder, why some of the Islamic laws are so discrimintive towards non-Muslims?

great observation, Spartans.
great possibility, and if this is true, this is yet another abuse of the religion by its believers.

i agree with faroukalhadad....
my take is this are circumstantial and isolated cases. it is not as if there is a crisis becos there are multiple cases and it is becoming untenable. non-muslims can still go about their lives practicing the religion of their choice.

for all u know, there cld be similar cases in sgp tt's not covered by the media, by choice. regardless, there is no need to discuss this in the forum. it makes no sense, has little merit in the discussion in these forums.

i was in jb recently and i wasn't lynch. in fact, i have a great time chatting with a young malay chick over koffi at tmn pelangi.

i wld propose tt the moderator lock this thread.

Originally posted by weiqimun:

i agree with faroukalhadad....
my take is this are circumstantial and isolated cases. it is not as if there is a crisis becos there are multiple cases and it is becoming untenable. non-muslims can still go about their lives practicing the religion of their choice.

for all u know, there cld be similar cases in sgp tt's not covered by the media, by choice. regardless, there is no need to discuss this in the forum. it makes no sense, has little merit in the discussion in these forums.

i was in jb recently and i wasn't lynch. in fact, i have a great time chatting with a young malay chick over koffi at tmn pelangi.

i wld propose tt the moderator lock this thread.

i don think it is a good idea to lock this thread .. becos many ppl are really unhappy about what Malaysia has done... this thread allows free speech to allow these ppl to release their frustration .. if not.. it will still be in their mind and heart ..

Originally posted by happieman:

i was thinking whether is it advisable for you to explain and educate all the queries by our mates here ... since they are having similar doubts and confussions.. do you think it is advisable ?

I suggest faroukalhadad better explain in response of happieman ... this is essential ..

Originally posted by ms_ok:

i don think it is a good idea to lock this thread .. becos many ppl are really unhappy about what Malaysia has done... this thread allows free speech to allow these ppl to release their frustration .. if not.. it will still be in their mind and heart ..

who r the ppl? sinkaporean or malaysian? if it is the latter, let them resolve it. in arab ctries, worse perceived religious discrimination are practiced. n it is more expansive.

as mentioned, what happened in msia is an isolated case, and we do not have the FULL facts to comment what's right. it this is broad base, maybe there is a need to voice our views here.

i think this is still a storm in a teacup.

Originally posted by weiqimun:

i think this is still a storm in a teacup.

I'll put in my vote(if it makes a diff) to lock the thread.... in a multi-racial society commenting about any religion .... well its rude so lets just leave it as is......

U wanna sing songs every week and be happy by all means...... cut the skin off your bird? why not........ behave like the monkey god every once in awhile? hey whatever makes u happy

weird weird..

can u guys open up ur mind a bit?

there's no critic of any religion here. since many of us are not from the same religion, most of us seek understanding.

again, this is a healthy forum and there is no critic that Muslim or Islam is bad religion or anything. Is that a problem for non-muslim to ask something that they dun understand ., the same goes to Muslim to ask why Chinese pray to what they called our God in temple a "doll or statue" ?

Honestly, from my experience in Malaysia, its always Malays to ask something bout our religion or God. Normal questions would be why are we praying to statue? Logically thinking we indeed praying to statue but religionly there is God inside it.

Yea, i had some muslims who asked me that question, i can either ask them back why are they praying to wall or i explain that the GOd is inside the statue.. its always depend on how u want to start flaming or anything.

Guys, chill out, no one is telling this religion is this or that.. Locking this thread doesnt seem right at all.

and what's the case ha ? i havent read newspaper lately cuz too busy to even take a peek at front news

Originally posted by Spartans:
Well TS I believe you are not wrong to post such topic.

This is a forum and healthy discussion on religion is okay. Guess some Malay/Muslim forumners are too sensitive already.

IMO, the wife and other children will most likely (99.9%) lose this case if this case goes to court.

Civil court will push to Sharia Court and Sharia Court [b]always rule in favour of Muslims.[/b]

If not mistaken of what i 've learned, its Court Syariah. i guess lol

Originally posted by Zarks:

weird weird..

can u guys open up ur mind a bit?

Guys, chill out, no one is telling this religion is this or that.. Locking this thread doesnt seem right at all.

dun think we are closed minded here....dun be presumptious or self-rightious.
this entire discussion is going nowhere. we know little of what happen nor the background. continuing this will degenerate into a religious or racial incitement.

i think the TS is not asking an innocent question. he is trying to undermine malaysia and what's happening there. let's `sling mud at ourselves', i.e. singapore. even if we wanted to take a dig at malaysia, make sure we know what we are talking about.

my problem ah ???

Duh, just talk bout Malaysia or anything is ok wat. aiyoyo.

degenerate into religious incitement? lol

Talk bout religion is ok but never try to insult any religion is always ok.

Originally posted by Zarks:

Duh, just talk bout Malaysia or anything is ok wat. aiyoyo.

degenerate into religious incitement? lol

Talk bout religion is ok but never try to insult any religion is always ok.

this thread is not talking about religion... but talking about how Malaysia is forcing islamic ideas into non-muslim. we are non-muslim, so this issue definitely be a curious and interesting topic to discuss .. and we will not want to be treated this way ..

Originally posted by ms_ok:

this thread is not talking about religion... but talking about how Malaysia is forcing islamic ideas into non-muslim. we are non-muslim, so this issue definitely be a curious and interesting topic to discuss .. and we will not want to be treated this way ..

hm actually Malaysia is not forcing islamic ideas into non-muslim.

If you somehow want to convert to Muslim, theres nothing wrong with that. It depends on your decision.

But hell yea, if u get married to a Malay, its a 100 % must to convert to muslim. If you dont, then better dont be with Malay gf.

Its normal.

Married a Muslim, u need to convert to Muslim and not otherwise.. Well, its their choice to convert again. Its not forced. The rules are simple here. U got a Muslim gf, then prepared to become Muslim if u planning to marry her. And there's just no way u can marry a Muslim without u converting to Muslim 1st

Originally posted by ms_ok:

this thread is not talking about religion... but talking about how Malaysia is forcing islamic ideas into non-muslim. we are non-muslim, so this issue definitely be a curious and interesting topic to discuss .. and we will not want to be treated this way ..

Indeed. How many cases have we seen that non-Muslims have being discriminated against when the cases involved both Muslims and non-Muslims? Especially if the civil court decides to take its hand off and let the Islamic court judge.

One simple case. A Chinese woman has being living the life of Christain all her life and want to change her religion status to Christain instead of Muslim. She is given the status Muslim since birth for whatever reason. However, civil court refused to entertain and push to the Islamic court. And you know Islamic court will almost never allow such convertion out of Islam (although the woman is never a Muslim to begin with).