http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 en-US 60 <p><a href= "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4sY4k0GaU8,&amp;nbsp;%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOVWYvt9YE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4sY4k0GaU8,&nbsp; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOVWYvt9YE</a></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Sat, 10 May 2008 17:45:49 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8076074 Colby http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>I agree with what another person said, this is essentially just a tool to harass China, either to force it to do something 'wrong' or to undermine China in the international world.</p> <p>Before Olympics conclude with China reaping diplomatic and image dividends, sow the field first with negative minefields and undermine China. That is essentially what I view this whole thing. That riot in Lhasa, I doubt very much that it's a natural riot and just a 'coincidence' to happen afew months before Olympics. This whole series of events smell fishy to me.</p> <p>About autonomy...</p> <p>No offense, but really autonomy can be double edged sword.</p> <p>Depends on what this 'autonomy' actually means. How far is this autonomy and in what realm.</p> <p>For instace if u notice in Singapore, a small country, government persue English as a common language and even discouraged Chinese dialects, this is to promote better unity among different ethnic groups.</p> <p>So when some people say Tibetans should have ' more autonomy' , I think we should see it from several angle first and be careful with this concept. Will it promote unity and harmony, or will it create a division?</p> <p>If Dalai Lama etc wants to have more Tibetan language being used, more monasteries, etc, or along these concepts, I think it might be counter-productive for both Tibetans and non-Tibetans in China, because I suspect future generations will be&nbsp; more divided and segregated.</p> <p>Will that be good for Tibetans and non-Tibetans alike?</p> <p>No offense but I think Dalai Lama is abit old-fashioned and a little chauvinistic. He comes from that old generation who still think in 1950s term.</p> <p>I think the younger generations should be persuing a vision of a better unity, be more tolerant, more progressive, and no offence also but I think it is not good to have a large population studying in monasteries so much.</p> <p>This is all should be kept in mind before we blindly think 'more autonomy' should be neccessarily good for the future.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Meat Pao.</p> Sat, 10 May 2008 04:50:12 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8074994 Meat Pao http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>The Olympic torch has reached the summit of Mount Everest, the tallest mountain in the worldThe final assault team included ethnic 22 Tibetans&nbsp;, 8 Han Chinese and 1 Tujia&nbsp;as well as university students, but a larger team of 36 people took part in the climb.</p> <p>"Mountaineering requires co-operation and carrying the Olympic torch to the top as well makes it much tougher, so the torchbearers need to be physically and mentally strong, and willing to sacrifice personal profits for the holy cause," Zhang said earlier in the day.</p> Fri, 09 May 2008 18:27:52 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8073881 Colby http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p><strong>China to modernise nuclear weapons capability</strong></p> <p><em>One of the world's leading arms control experts has said that the Chinese have realised that their nuclear weaponry has fallen behind those of other major powers and might not survive a first strike.</em></p> <p><em>Bates Gill, head of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (Sipri), said that as a result it was developing more flexible delivery systems, including from submarines, as well as the capacity to use multiple warheads.</em></p> <p><em>"Among the major nuclear powers China stands out in its effort to modernise, expand and improve its nuclear weapons capability," he said at a conference in Beijing.</em></p> <p><em>China's first nuclear test took place amid huge patriotic pride in 1964.</em></p> <p><em>But Chairman Mao was famously ambiguous about such weapons, once calling them "paper tigers".</em></p> <p><em><strong>Its arsenal, estimated at between 100 and 200 warheads, is the smallest of the big powers – the United States, Russia, Britain and France.</strong> The US is currently updating its missiles and warheads...</em></p> <p><a href= "http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/1939031/China-to-modernise-nuclear-weapons-capability.html?source=rss" rel= "nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/1939031/</a></p> <p><strong>China's obsolete fighters</strong></p> <p><a href= "http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Outside_View_Chinas_obsolete_fighters_999.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spacewar.com/reports/</a></p> Fri, 09 May 2008 15:47:43 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8073572 Poh Ah Pak http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>I hope USA global hegemony collapses.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> yes but&nbsp;before that people in Myanmar will die first.&nbsp;</p> Fri, 09 May 2008 07:03:05 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8072574 Arapahoe http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Colby:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS-1wiwxJxE" rel= "nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS-1wiwxJxE</a></p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Listening to this&nbsp;guy has largely been a&nbsp;pain.&nbsp; Sounds like he just smoked weed or something.</p> <p>Other than that, he did an okay analysis of the situation and its complications.&nbsp;</p> <p>Language 7/10</p> <p>Presentation 3/10</p> <p>Content 8.5/10</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>My own views.&nbsp; I doubt any of those "hippies" are serious about Tibet independence. Rather, they are just trying to push China's hand into doing something really draconian that would make China look bad before the olympics.&nbsp;</p> <p>However, what I <span style= "text-decoration: underline;">AM</span> in favor of, is granting Tibet more autonomy.&nbsp; No BS, Tibet won't last without China, to secceed from China would be immensely foolish.&nbsp;</p> <p>Also, IMO, China won't have to invade Taiwan. Current build up suggests more of a siege operation against Taiwan should it attempt to declare independence.&nbsp;In the arsenal of weapons required to do so would be, Long range&nbsp;Anti-ship missiles &amp; Submarines for area denial.&nbsp; Cruise missiles and theater ballistic missiles&nbsp;to strike at Taiwan.&nbsp; And finally long range anti-aircraft missiles systems such as the S-300&nbsp;(+ shipborne counter parts) to deny Taiwanese aircraft from retaliating. &nbsp;</p> Thu, 08 May 2008 22:21:51 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8071775 Shotgun http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS-1wiwxJxE" rel= "nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS-1wiwxJxE</a></p> Thu, 08 May 2008 18:10:59 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8071212 Colby http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p><img src= "http://news.xinhuanet.com/society/2006-01/17/xinsrc_5620103170940704325125.jpg" alt="" /></p> Thu, 08 May 2008 17:33:32 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8071094 Colby http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>I hope USA global hegemony collapses.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 08 May 2008 16:21:30 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8070935 Poh Ah Pak http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by noob321:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>this thread hor...i cant stand it...haiz</p> <p>but anyway</p> <p>US SUX FOREVER</p> <p>CHINA ROX FOREVER</p> <p>hope 1 day china bomb US</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>You know why?&nbsp; Because this thread is not for the ignorant.</p> Thu, 08 May 2008 16:19:52 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8070933 Shotgun http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>this thread hor...i cant stand it...haiz</p> <p>but anyway</p> <p>US SUX FOREVER</p> <p>CHINA ROX FOREVER</p> <p>hope 1 day china bomb US</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 08 May 2008 13:18:26 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8070493 noob321 http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCYN4_ziLlI" rel= "nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCYN4_ziLlI</a></p> <p>Tibetan rioters&nbsp;killed&nbsp;their own tibetan&nbsp;fellows&nbsp;in Lahsa</p> Thu, 08 May 2008 12:22:55 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8070381 Colby http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>i am begining to see that this is a Rojak Thread.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p> Thu, 08 May 2008 02:09:41 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8069844 Arapahoe http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by tai gok nang:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>My friend, I didn't say anywhere that Asian Waters belong to China. Put it like this, walkways, roads and streets belong to the public, they should not be used by strangers to snoop around others' neighbourhood.</p> <p>What for is the US 'Show of Force' in this region? There are only 2 objectives - policing and bullying. But no one appoints the US to be the police.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>So can you please define "Asian Waters?"&nbsp; Which Seas do that incorporate and where are the boundaries? To my knowledge, International sea is international sea, regardless if its in the Atlantic or Pacific.</p> <p>US 'Show Of Force' is simply part of their foreign policy.&nbsp; Its not bullying since its not forcing us into some unfair treaties or arrangements is it?&nbsp; Has the Americans forced China or any other country in the region with its Navy recently?</p> <p>The US Navy's presence here is simply to remind people, esp China, not to resort to military action against her smaller neighbours, or She'll have to pick on someone her own size.&nbsp; Without the USN as leverage, you think there is the current status quo in Taiwan?</p> <p>Finally, the USN also actively engages in various humanitarian missions in our region.&nbsp; For instance, the USN was tasked to provide humanitarian support during the Tsunami aftermath of 2004. And today, the USN stands ready to assist Myanmar should the military government give permission to.&nbsp;</p> <p>Where is the Peoples Liberation Army's Navy?</p> <p>The role of the United States' military&nbsp;in Asia is to ensure regional stability.&nbsp; It will accomplish its mission with a helping hand or with force, should agressors be undetered.</p> Thu, 08 May 2008 00:20:49 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8069635 Shotgun http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>My friend, I didn't say anywhere that Asian Waters belong to China. Put it like this, walkways, roads and streets belong to the public, they should not be used by strangers to snoop around others' neighbourhood.</p> <p>What for is the US 'Show of Force' in this region? There are only 2 objectives - policing and bullying. But no one appoints the US to be the police.</p> Wed, 07 May 2008 21:32:30 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8069040 tai gok nang http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>And what do you define as "Asian waters?"&nbsp; As far as the USN is concerned, they are either in International Waters, or in the territorial waters of Host nations.&nbsp; So why shouldn't they be allowed there when anybody to anybody can pass thru international waters.&nbsp; Does Asian Waters belong to China?&nbsp; I think a lot of other Asian countries will contest that.</p> <p>I can tell u what they are in the neighbourhood for.&nbsp; Its called "Show of Force."</p> Wed, 07 May 2008 20:58:25 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8068956 Shotgun http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Shotgun:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>China is trying to be a military challenge to the United States.&nbsp; They surfaced their submarines within torpedo range of a US Carrier,&nbsp;its hard to convince&nbsp;me that&nbsp;that is not an act of provocation?&nbsp; No warship should get so close to another country's warship without formal arrangement.&nbsp; It is an undeniablely provocative act that has complete disregard for accidents that may cause international crises.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Well, me wondering what for the US is having presence in Asia waters.&nbsp; Don't tell me that it is for 'peacekeeping' because the US is superiors and the Asian people can't take care of ourselves. Have there been any Chinese warship wandering in North American waters? So who provoked whom?</p> <p>Judging from its longest records of invading and inciting revolts on other nations, the US is obviously less trustworthy than China.</p> Wed, 07 May 2008 19:32:01 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8068801 tai gok nang http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>hah~how stupid u r ,drawer~ u don no history is it?then whats de point talking about japanese and southkorean dogs' protest</p> Wed, 07 May 2008 18:53:55 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8068695 Colby http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <blockquote> <p>Communist China always thought that they are the centre of the world,and they act like a big fuk,</p> </blockquote> <p>Don't think that is true.</p> <p><a href="http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/mao/txt/w23.htm" rel= "nofollow">http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/mao/txt/w23.htm</a></p> <p><a href="http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/mao/txt/w26.htm" rel= "nofollow">http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/mao/txt/w26.htm</a></p> <p><a href="http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/mao/txt/w2.htm" rel= "nofollow">http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/mao/txt/w2.htm</a></p> <p><a href="http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/mao/txt/w31.htm" rel= "nofollow">http://english.pladaily.com.cn/special/mao/txt/w31.htm</a></p> <p><a href= "http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/dengxp/vol2/text/b1600.html" rel="nofollow">http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/dengxp/vol2/text/b1600.html</a></p> <p>I think it is an insult to communists to call PAP communist.</p> <p>Communists take up arm struggle, PAP where got arm struggle?</p> <p>Communists oppose USA global hegemony, PAP where got oppose USA?</p> <p><strong><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong><span style= "font-family: Georgia,Times New Roman,Times,serif; color: #ffffff;"> O</span></strong></span></strong></p> Wed, 07 May 2008 18:12:43 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8068621 Poh Ah Pak http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>Communist China always thought that they are the centre of the world,and they act like a big fuk,just like our Communist PAP.Its a good thing she get raped by recent Tibet incident around the world.</p> <p>Not only Westerners,even Asian countries like South Korean n Japan also got ppl protest of China dictatorial policy.Plus our Communist PAP leader Lee Kuan Yew always teach China how to be more arrogant n ignore Western criticism,China n Singapore will be more likely to get raped in future.Although a person without confident is dislike by others,a person who is arrogant is also hated by the rest.Communist China n our communist PAP have to remember that!!!</p> Wed, 07 May 2008 17:50:53 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8068572 drawer http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p><img src= "http://www.bj.xinhuanet.com/bjpd_tpk/2005-12/21/xin_40120221072829610051.jpg" alt="" /></p> Mon, 05 May 2008 17:48:41 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8063314 Colby http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p><img src="http://www.hjmw.gov.cn/up_files/Image/P1000092(1).jpg" height="1360" alt="" width="2048" /></p> Mon, 05 May 2008 17:44:36 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8063304 Colby http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <blockquote> <p>I've got more faith in the US (though its not much) than in China.</p> </blockquote> <p>Looks like I have to do more propaganda work on USA.</p> Mon, 05 May 2008 08:35:00 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8062274 Poh Ah Pak http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>Dude, Pedra branca is a piece of rock thats being recognized as being contested.</p> <p>Tibet is a region with its own ethnicity and culture that was taken over militarily by the PLA. That overrides anything else that happened in the history that was recorded by Chinese historians. That was the history that the world saw and recorded.</p> <p>History is important, uncontested.&nbsp; But whose history do we take as a benchmark when deciding things like that.&nbsp; Like I said, the Indons can make a claim that Singapore was part of the Srivijayan Empire hence a part of Indonesia.&nbsp; But the world saw Singapore declare independence in 1965, and recognized that part of history.</p> <p>*Apologies to any Indon forumers.&nbsp; Nothing against your country, just making a point thats all.</p> Mon, 05 May 2008 01:17:49 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8062021 Shotgun http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353 <p>This infomation from Wikipedia: The Malaysian state of Johor asserts that when Johor Sultanate ceded Singapore to the British in 1824, the island was not part of the secession and that the Sultan of Johor only allowed the British to construct a lighthouse on the island in 1844.[10] This follows a letter dated November 25 1844 from the Sultan and the Temenggung of Johor to the British which gave the British a permission to build a lighthouse on an island.[11] In 1824, Sultan of Johor ceded Singapore and the surrounding 10 nmi (18.5 km) to the British East India Company.[12] Pedra Branca is located 25 nmi (46.3 km) away from it ItSingapore; the island is 7.7 nmi (14.3 km) away from Johor.[13]</p> <p><em>it is with history that singapore&nbsp; stakes its claim on&nbsp; Pedra Branca . So is China on Tibet,&nbsp; history is very very important.</em></p> Mon, 05 May 2008 00:53:32 +0800 poetry.sgforums.com:10:311353:8061964 Sysan888 http://poetry.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/311353