Free Tibet!!!!
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What about Timesonline?
Everyone can do it!
A complete sentence!
You can do it too!
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Originally posted by Blueray:
What about Timesonline?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3578941.ece
you still don't get it do you ? .... you only see what you want to see ....
first, people were ranting against the "western media" ... accusing them of bias ... now ... hey ! .. let's quote from a western news source ! ...
okie, nevermind ... let's see how easy it is to find some negative news shall we ? ...
this is the accounts from some tibetans ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7300312.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7296134.stm
the second link is an eyewitness accounts of monks being kicked by police .... (damm ! ... monk kickers, tis bad bad karma)
of course... the BBC reports on the news black outs by chinese authorities ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7302625.stm
so are you now going to accuse the BBC of bias ? .... because the news is not to your liking ? ....
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No improvement, weird fellow lah you.
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Originally posted by Fatum:
ah ... there you are ....
I was going to show you this .. http://www.freetibet.org/press/kirtiphotos.html
before you were asking for pictorial evidence ... asking how many got shot ...
I quote you, your words from page five ...
" the only guys who should get shots are people like you. what recent spate of killings by chiese security forces in tibet, did you see it? on TV or you were there?"
is that what you have to say to those pictures now ? ... that they were likely killed from mobsters rather than police ? ....
this must be a disturbing development ... I didn't know the " mobsters" were equipped with guns, to produce what looks like gunshot wounds ..... are you going to say the mobsters are starting an armed insurgency now ? ....
I'm waiting and hopping for more pictures to turn up .... but of course ... with the ban on journalists travelling to the area, and the news black out imposed by the chinese authorities, any news that gets release would have been "vetted" by the chinese authorities from now on .... which suits your tastes just fine i believe ....
it's alright, truth has an unusual tendency to prevail ... but unfortunately, reason does not ...
To you, only news from Free Tibet carry the truth. News published in Singapore are definitely pro PAP and PAP is pro PRC and therefore not credible.
I question all pictures, vidio or any reports from anybody. Why? because pictures and vidios can be fake, altered with modern technologies. Even the best journalists truest to his profession can only be on one side telling a one sided story but not on the other side to give a full report. You show pictures of tibetans killed, I saw on news Chinese who described how his sister was trapped and burnt to death when mobster set fire to their shop. Who deserve any of these?
This kind of riots is not the same as the protests you see in KL or even in Seoul where tear gas and water canon are used to battle flying rock and molotov cocktails. When the mobsters started killing innocent Chinese passersby, setting fires to houses of innocent civilians, then you can expect more quicker and more drastic actions. I read a report quoting a news footage from a Canadian TV that in Gansu a few hundreds tibetans on horseback attacked a local government building guarded by a hundred police. What would you do if you were among the police?
If the riots in China now is a coordinated effort to free tibet, like what Sun Yet San did in overthrowing the Qing regime, once order given, every single tibatan rise up and is prepared to die to free tibet, there is a reason for outsiders to show support.
At the moment, even the dalai lama in exile denied any involvement. All the sporadic riots here and there, killing innocents people instead of attacking soldiers barrack, are nothing but to disrupt stability and peace.
Who are you supporting?
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I have indeed said that most(not all) mainstream western media are biased against China. But I never said that every western individual is like that. The article contains eyewitness accounts by foreign tourists. Here is the same story by Kuwaittimes:
http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=NTEyMDIyMDU2
Surely u have no problems with Kuwaittimes?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard: If the riots in China now is a coordinated effort to free tibet, like what Sun Yet San did in overthrowing the Qing regime, once order given, every single tibatan rise up and is prepared to die to free tibet, there is a reason for outsiders to show support.
If the riots in China now is a coordinated effort to free tibet, like what Sun Yet San did in overthrowing the Qing regime, once order given, every single tibatan rise up and is prepared to die to free tibet, there is a reason for outsiders to show support.
oh ... okie ... now I'm getting confused ... or rather, you are ? ....
can I presume from post above, that you think it's alright for a rebellion like the Sun Yat Sen lead one to overthrow a regime ? ... and that you'll support such a move ? ....
mind you, the Qing goverment was the legitimate goverment of China when Sun Yat Sen lead the against them ... or are you going to say that they are not chinese, but manchus ? .... so the Qing dynasty were not legitimate rulers of china then ? ... if so .... when you said that tibet was under the Qing's control then, doesn't that make it illegal ? ... isn't it like saying, a king has two slaves, one day, one of the slaves rebelled and overthrew the king, so now the first slaves owns the second slave as well .....
next then, what the different between Sun Yat Sen's campaign and dalai lamas ? ... I see many parallels ... both were travelling overseas drumming up support (including in Singapore, staying at the famous "wan ting yuan") .... next, the initial troubles had nothing to do with him (wuchang uprising etc) .... people were too fed up with the current rulers ... and took to the streets ... armed ..... with violence ... you say that the tibetans were violent, and thus had to be put down ... Sun Yat Sen's friends were pretty violent too when they overthrew the Qings,... so they were wrong to have done what they did in your books then ? ....
isn't it hyprocrisy on your part then, or just confusion ? .... when you say people should support something like what Sun Yat Sen did, that is, the overthrowing of an oppresive regime .... and in the previous breathe, now say that peace and stability is the most important, and the most important thing now is to stop the rioting ? and that violence is wrong ? ...... mind you these are all your own words ... you imply that Sun Yat Sen was right to lead the overthrow of the regime, you may even support it .... ... now you're saying that the demonstrations to agitate for independence and freedom is wrong ? And don't come comparing Sun Yat Sen with the Dalai Lama .... they are not the same .... the former had no qualms about armed violence to achieve his aims ... the dalai lama does not want violence for religious reasons ... but that is in now was indicative that tibetans does not want freedom and independence, else we wouldn't be seeing what we are seeing now ....
or are you now going to use something lame like "show me that every tibetan is prepared to die for tibet " ? ....
remember that many already have .... http://www.freetibet.org/press/kirtiphotos.html
and also remember that during the time of the Qings, the revolutionaries were called "luan dang"... terrorists, by the Qing goverment as well .... (that is, until they succeeded, then they became revolutionary heros, right ? )
is the benchmark for your support then, whether a rebellion is successful or not ? ...or is it really, because Sun Yat Sen was a chinese .... your racial and cultural chauvinism at work again ? .... china and the chinese seems to be a big part of your argument ...... why do you call yourself SGdiehard then ? ... remember, a surfeit of racial and cultural pride is not good in a multi-cultural society like Singapore ...
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Fatum, seriously lah, your post so long and your ... style ... very hard ... to read lah.
... can you make the effort to make your posts more readable ... ?...? ....
morse code huh ... huh? ..._....._... ....--...
why you pattern ... pattern .?....
mah ai ni kuan neh...
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Stand With Tibet
Dear friends,
After decades of repression under Chinese rule, the Tibetan people's frustrations have burst onto the streets in protests and riots. With the spotlight of the upcoming Olympic Games now on China, Tibetans are crying out to the world for change.
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Here are some links with more information on the Tibetan protests and the Chinese response:
BBC News: UN Calls for Restraint in Tibet - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7301912.stm
Human Right Watch: China Restrain from Violently Attacking Protesters - http://hrw.org/english/docs/2008/03/15/china18291.htm
Associated Press: Tibet Unrest Sparks Global Reaction - http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gSSpPcDOPMoAiRLhPUyezuCRiXBQD8VFDD680
New York Times: China Takes Steps to Thwart Reporting on Tibet Protests - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/world/asia/18access.html?ref=world
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Don't forget to free Palestine also.
The Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) campaigns for justice for the Palestinians. As we approach the 60th anniversary in 2008 of the dispossession of the Palestinians of their homeland in 1948, PSC is building a mass solidarity movement with the aim of effecting changes in consciousness, policies and actions in Britain and at an international level. PSC calls for Palestinian self-determination, and campaigns against the Israeli state’s repression of the Palestinian people. We lobby the British government to end the arms trade with Israel, and to press Israel to abide by international law, end its illegal occupation and allow the return of refugees.
http://www.palestinecampaign.org
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org
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If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. There is no Palestinian culture or Palestinian language in history.
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Not the issue, Palestine must still be freed from Israeli occupation and oppression.
So according to you, Palestine, now have no language and also no culture?
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Stand with Lakota
We as the freedom loving Lakotah People are the predecessor sovereign of Dakota Territory as evidenced by the Treaties with the United States Government, including, but not limited to, the Treaty of 1851 and the Treaty of 1868 at Fort Laramie.
Lakotah, formally and unilaterally withdraws from all agreements and treaties imposed by the United States Government on the Lakotah People.
Lakotah , and the population therein, have waited for at least 155 years for the United States of America to adhere to the provisions of the above referenced treaties. The continuing violations of these treaties’ terms have resulted in the near annihilation of our people physically, spiritually, and culturally. Lakotah rejects United States Termination By Appropriation policy from 1871 to the present.
In addition, the evidence of gross violations of the above referenced treaties are listed herein. Lakotah encourages the United States of America, through its Government ,to enter into dialogue with Lakotah regarding the boundaries, the land and the resources therein...
Let us free the Lakotah people from the USA.
http://www.republicoflakotah.com
http://www.lakotahoyate.net/index.html
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Origin and identity of the so-called Palestinians
Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against:
“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”. -
Then return Palestine to Jordan!
Why keep on occupy and oppress and kill?
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"Democratic Imperialism": Tibet, China, and the National Endowment for Democracy
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6530
What to do with the Tibetan question?
http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2008/yax-855.htm
Pricking the bubble of "terrorizing Tibet"
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/20/content_7829123.htm
Violence under the cloak of religion
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/19/content_7822113.htm
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
Stand with Palestine
Don't forget to free Palestine also.
The Palestine Solidarity Campaign (PSC) campaigns for justice for the Palestinians. As we approach the 60th anniversary in 2008 of the dispossession of the Palestinians of their homeland in 1948, PSC is building a mass solidarity movement with the aim of effecting changes in consciousness, policies and actions in Britain and at an international level. PSC calls for Palestinian self-determination, and campaigns against the Israeli state’s repression of the Palestinian people. We lobby the British government to end the arms trade with Israel, and to press Israel to abide by international law, end its illegal occupation and allow the return of refugees.
http://www.palestinecampaign.org
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org
weird .... this chap is slapping himself again .....
now you're agitating for the palestinians .... whose groups had a demonstrated history of violence, suicide bombing, kidnapping, murder, firing of rockets and what not ....
I'm curious ... is that your double standards at work again ? ... huh ? ... confusion on your part yet again, huh ? ....
you're damm cute lah .... first you got agitated when a few SDP demonstrators got carted away by the SPF, posted up threads against police brutality ... but you sing a different tune for tibet, saying no ! ..
"Tibet is part of China.
It is China's internal affairs.
As long as there is no wanton violence being commited there, no one has the right to interfere."
then later, when you saw the dead tibetan pictures, you twisted yet again and switched over and say that it's justified ....
I quote:
"Tibet is part of China.
Their protest is not peaceful, innocent people were killed.
I don't support them."
okie, so you twist around and say now that the tibetans were violent so the killings were justified ... you said you don't support the tibetans because they were violent ... fine ...
but now you're supporting another group of people who openly advocate, and conduct violence till today, ? .... how come the double and triple standards ? .... or you just selectively believe in what you believe in ? ... so are you saying now that it's okay for the palestinians to use violence against the israelis, but it's not okay for the tibetans to fight for their independence ? .... how come you support independence for the palestinians, but not the tibetans ? ... so you're against violence from the tibetans, but it's okay for the palestinians ? ...
oh wait ? ... I know ! .. it must be because of this ! ... tibetan independence takes away "terroritory" from your beloved country, right ?
remember this ?
"Don't like this China bashing nonsense.
China didn't invade any country and overthrow its government and throw its people to hell.
This type of dirty trick is useless."
funny ... if you can see the palestinians point of view inspite of rounds and rounds of terror acts from them ... why do you apply a double standard for the tibetans ? ...
kid, go take a good sleep and think it over ... slowly .... don't get too confused now ... or maybe you'll just complain that you can't read what I said ? ... poking your head into the sand, like an ostrich ? ...
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its hard to debate over Tibet; to further complicate discussion by bringing Palestine into this topics is making it hard to focus especially trying to hyper leap US with Palestine into Tibet and I mean how are you going to link Richard Gere to Palastine.
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kid, go take a good sleep and think it over ... slowly .... don't get too confused now ... or maybe you'll just complain that you can't read what I said ? ... poking your head into the sand, like an ostrich ? ...
Child, continue to type in broken sentences, don't put in effort to type properly, I will not bother with replying.
You yourself don't care about your post whether people can read, why should I care?
Lazy bum.
Can't even compose a proper post want to talk about free Tibet.
Don't me laugh lah.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
kid, go take a good sleep and think it over ... slowly .... don't get too confused now ... or maybe you'll just complain that you can't read what I said ? ... poking your head into the sand, like an ostrich ? ...
Child, continue to type in broken sentences, don't put in effort to type properly, I will not bother with replying.
You yourself don't care about your post whether people can read, why should I care?
Lazy bum.
Can't even compose a proper post want to talk about free Tibet.
Don't me laugh lah.
haha ... you didn't have any problems reading my posts before for the past 8 pages ... did you suddenly developed selective eyesight, just like your brain has selective reasoning ? .... because of uncomfortable questions that you cannot answer ? ... or just confused about your thinking, as I have shown ? ...
so go on, run along and play now ... stick your head in the sand .. next time, maybe you can actually think before believing in all the things that you google up ...
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Originally posted by Fatum:next then, what the different between Sun Yat Sen's campaign and dalai lamas ? ... I see many parallels ... both were travelling overseas drumming up support (including in Singapore, staying at the famous "wan ting yuan") .... next, the initial troubles had nothing to do with him (wuchang uprising etc) .... people were too fed up with the current rulers ... and took to the streets ... armed ..... with violence ... you say that the tibetans were violent, and thus had to be put down ... Sun Yat Sen's friends were pretty violent too when they overthrew the Qings,... so they were wrong to have done what they did in your books then ? ....
isn't it hyprocrisy on your part then, or just confusion ? .... when you say people should support something like what Sun Yat Sen did, that is, the overthrowing of an oppresive regime .... and in the previous breathe, now say that peace and stability is the most important, and the most important thing now is to stop the rioting ? and that violence is wrong ? ...... mind you these are all your own words ... you imply that Sun Yat Sen was right to lead the overthrow of the regime, you may even support it .... ... now you're saying that the demonstrations to agitate for independence and freedom is wrong ? And don't come comparing Sun Yat Sen with the Dalai Lama .... they are not the same .... the former had no qualms about armed violence to achieve his aims ... the dalai lama does not want violence for religious reasons ... but that is in now was indicative that tibetans does not want freedom and independence, else we wouldn't be seeing what we are seeing now ....
or are you now going to use something lame like "show me that every tibetan is prepared to die for tibet " ? ....
remember that many already have .... http://www.freetibet.org/press/kirtiphotos.html
and also remember that during the time of the Qings, the revolutionaries were called "luan dang"... terrorists, by the Qing goverment as well .... (that is, until they succeeded, then they became revolutionary heros, right ? )
is the benchmark for your support then, whether a rebellion is successful or not ? ...or is it really, because Sun Yat Sen was a chinese .... your racial and cultural chauvinism at work again ? .... china and the chinese seems to be a big part of your argument ...... why do you call yourself SGdiehard then ? ... remember, a surfeit of racial and cultural pride is not good in a multi-cultural society like Singapore ...
Glad that you are now asking for the difference.
Sun Yat Sen's intention is to overthrow the Qing Monarchy dynasty and the corrupted offcials, and return the power to the people. He didn't ask for independence for Guang Zhou or the jalan where he was brought up.
What Dalai Lama want is autonomous for Tibet.
Then what the separatists in Tibet want is independence for Tibet. Their way of fighting and the direction is different from Dalai Lama. That's why when the recent riots break out in Tibet. Dalai Lama has warned them if the violence prolong and escalate, he will resign. Isn't that clear? Dalai Lama is not behind this riot. The riot is planned by someone else.
You get what I meant? Sun Yat Sen want to unite all in china to overthrow the old political system. But the Tibet separatist want to get rid of the ethnic Han and fight for independence, their target is not just the government but the normal civilians that look like chinese.
You may think they are the same just because they both use weapon and force, but I don't think they are the same. -
It is actually good for Tibet province to be under the protection and rule of the central government. Without that, Tibet may have already been snatched by the British and other nearby countries. When British come to a piece of land with no resisting force, the native may suffer the same ending as the red Indian.
Without the help and protection from the central government since 1000 years ago, the buddhism in Tibet may already suffer the same ending as the buddhism in India, total extinction.
The current situation and issues in Tibet is caused by Mao Ze Dong, he is the one that caused Dalai Lama and china government not able to sit down and talk together.
I sincerely hope that the China government and Dalai Lama will work together to come out with a resolution. -
Earthquake of 7.2 magnitude hit Xinzhiang Tibet area this morning at about 6.30 am giving divine warning to them to live together with their brothers in peace and not to go on riots which lead to killings and murders. The fault is in the rioting. The right thing to do is to live in peace with brothers who have been brothers for centuries. Do not get influenced by imperialist western outsiders who like to interfere in China's internal affairs for their own agendas. They the same people will never want to divide europe or US for their own sake because of aborigininal rebellions. Australian Aborigines too will never be allowed by Rudd to claim independence.
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Originally posted by justdoit77:
Glad that you are now asking for the difference.
Sun Yat Sen's intention is to overthrow the Qing Monarchy dynasty and the corrupted offcials, and return the power to the people. He didn't ask for independence for Guang Zhou or the jalan where he was brought up.
What Dalai Lama want is autonomous for Tibet.
Then what the separatists in Tibet want is independence for Tibet. Their way of fighting and the direction is different from Dalai Lama. That's why when the recent riots break out in Tibet. Dalai Lama has warned them if the violence prolong and escalate, he will resign. Isn't that clear? Dalai Lama is not behind this riot. The riot is planned by someone else.
You get what I meant? Sun Yat Sen want to unite all in china to overthrow the old political system. But the Tibet separatist want to get rid of the ethnic Han and fight for independence, their target is not just the government but the normal civilians that look like chinese.
You may think they are the same just because they both use weapon and force, but I don't think they are the same.ah yes ... you're saying one groups' seperatist, the other's revolutionary ? .... basically, what you're saying is, one group's not ethnic chinese, but is fighting against the Chinese people, the Han, so that's wrong ..... and the other group were chinese fighting FOR the good of the Chinese, so that's different .... eh ? ... despite that both were fighting to free their respective people against the yoke of an oppressive regime ... yah ? ... that the ethnicity makes all the difference ? ...
is that your benchmark ? ....
and I did say don't compare Sun Yat Sen with the Dalai Lama, which our friend sgdiehard was doing in his confusion. he seems to think that a coordinated uprising against the chinese regime is to be supported, a la sun yat sen, is to be supported, I quote him here:
"If the riots in China now is a coordinated effort to free tibet, like what Sun Yet San did in overthrowing the Qing regime, once order given, every single tibatan rise up and is prepared to die to free tibet, there is a reason for outsiders to show support."
maybe you'd like to sort out his confusion with him ? ... first, he says tibet belongs to china, but now he says if tibet stages a co-ordinated uprising, then outsiders should show support .... hmmmmmmmm ....
so ... you believe, and I quote from your post, that "Dalai Lama is not behind this riot. The riot is planned by someone else."
You do not believe in the official chinese version of the events, that the riots were orchestrated by the "dalai lama clique" then ? ... not surprisingly, I don't put much stock in the pronouncements of that goverment either.
i am not sure I agree with you that the current troubles in tibet has it's roots in Mao's policies, it seems a bit to easy to blame a man long dead for the troubles, but the problem is easily rectified, and I certainly don't agree with you that Buddhism in tibet is protected by the chinese central goverment, or else it will suffer the same fate as buddhism in India, India is the birth place of Buddhism and it is certainly flourishing there, some forumers just made pilgrimages there too ... I'm sure if you take it up at the Buddhism forum, they'll tell you the opposite is true,
but however, the practise of Buddhism in Tibet is no longer free, we now see two different lamas on both sides of the fence, one recognized by the tibetans, another installed by the Chinese goverment ... is the Chinese goverment trying to play Buddha ? ....
one thing I failed to understand before, is why go through all the hassle and trouble of invading and subjugating another country, if it's just for the sake of buffer zones against bigger enemies ? .... I was just arguing with a PRC classmate online yesterday night as I got going here as well ... and he offered me a startling insight, something which i never knew about before .....
You know why China will never set Tibet Free now ? .....
Because of oil ....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1502117.stm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/natres/oil/China/2001/0905disc.htm
http://www.tew.org/archived/tibet.oil.html
ah ..... see ...... now the penny drops ....... it's not really about historical ownership and what not now ... but really about strategic natural resources ......
btw ... the spratley islands have lots of oil too ....
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interesting.
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ah yes ... you're saying one groups' seperatist, the other's revolutionary ? .... basically, what you're saying is, one group's not ethnic chinese, but is fighting against the Chinese people, the Han, so that's wrong ..... and the other group were chinese fighting FOR the good of the Chinese, so that's different .... eh ? ... despite that both were fighting to free their respective people against the yoke of an oppressive regime ... yah ? ... that the ethnicity makes all the difference ? ...
Who can understand that?
For the love of God, type properly so people can understand.
Please.
I am doing this for your good. Don't want you to acquire such bad habits in typing.
Type proper sentences lah.
Show respect for your own posts.