SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by sir_peanuts @ Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:24:40 +0800

sir_peanuts — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:24:40 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

problem is ah neh doesn't not resonates with the hokkien and teochew speaking chinese folks here in singapore. (not that the government cares).

especially the one with the girlie name. that one super cocky and full of himself.

the girlie name... must say his initial impression was quite good.

but showing his true colours now, as the chinese saying goes "day long see man's heart"

he speaks good hokkien btw, election time of course... and he's half indian, half chinese.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by redDUST @ Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:13:41 +0800

redDUST — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:13:41 +0800

Originally posted by sir_peanuts:

ah neh better than ah mat...

problem is ah neh doesn't not resonates with the hokkien and teochew speaking chinese folks here in singapore. (not that the government cares).

especially the one with the girlie name. that one super cocky and full of himself.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by sir_peanuts @ Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:09:49 +0800

sir_peanuts — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:09:49 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

i would not put too much weight on GCT's words.

also, LKY already signal his intention to be around for a while, and mentioned that the next PM will need to be in his 40s. Ahm97sic already pointed out that KBW is not young. My take is the next PM will be an Ah Neh.

ah neh better than ah mat...

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by redDUST @ Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:35:05 +0800

redDUST — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:35:05 +0800

Originally posted by sir_peanuts:

GCT's words made me think if he's one to watch.

i would not put too much weight on GCT's words.

also, LKY already signal his intention to be around for a while, and mentioned that the next PM will need to be in his 40s. Ahm97sic already pointed out that KBW is not young. My take is the next PM will be an Ah Neh.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by Ahm97sic @ Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:29:31 +0800

Ahm97sic — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:29:31 +0800

Orginally posted by sir_peanuts

Mr Khaw is a very competent and diligent minister BUT he is already 56 years old now.

So he is unlikely to be the next prime minister as he will be 64 or 68 years two or three elections later when PM Lee is going to retire by then.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by sir_peanuts @ Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:32:31 +0800

sir_peanuts — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:32:31 +0800

Originally posted by chinese helicopter:

I agree Khaw Boon Wan is the best Health Minister because he know he is a politician elected by Singaporean and not a Super Super civil servant.

when i started this thread, my intention is to see if there's any signal we can draw from GCT's words.

i do agree he's one of the amicable ministers who really understands the problems that people are facing. i personally think it has got to to with his religious studying of buddhism, though i'm not a buddhist myself.

as for the point about him being elected, actually he was a former perm sec, brought into parliament under tg pagar (unsinkable ship), given a chance to lead his own constituency later. nevertheless he's got more credentials than people like ng eng hen (2 walkovers).

GCT's words made me think if he's one to watch.

who knows, we might get the first malaysian prime minister...

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by chinese helicopter @ Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:40:50 +0800

chinese helicopter — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:40:50 +0800

I agree Khaw Boon Wan is the best Health Minister because he know he is a politician elected by Singaporean and not a Super Super civil servant.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by ndmmxiaomayi @ Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:19:28 +0800

ndmmxiaomayi — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:19:28 +0800

I only remembered what he did for SARS. That was well handled. I don't really support the recent new policies...

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by Ahm97sic @ Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:14:49 +0800

Ahm97sic — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:14:49 +0800

Orignially Posted by Oxford Mushroom

These consultants have already been employed by the hospitals. Hence, there is not the issue of cost.

My point is that instead of letting patients who have referral letters from polyclincs (ie the polyclinic doctors considered them to be serious enough to need specialists' care) waiting for months to see a specialist. Some have to wait seven months before they can see the specialists.

My suggestion is that these patients can be seen by a senior consultant or consultant within a week or two first. After their assessments, the patient will then be assigned another specialist (Registrar, Assoc Consultant, Consultant or Senior Consultant) based on the seriousness of his or her conditions on the subsequent consultations.

My point of argument is that patients do not have to suffer quietly and conditions to deteriorate while waiting for months to see the specialists in the government hospitals.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by oxford mushroom @ Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:31:05 +0800

oxford mushroom — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:31:05 +0800

Originally posted by Ahm97sic:

Orignially Posted by Oxford Mushroom

For subsidised patients, they still pay $25 per consultation even if the specialist is a senior consultant or consultant.

The reason for the suggestion that on the first visit is that the patient should be seen by a senior consultant or consultant because they are more experienced and knowledgeable.

But how is that $25 enough to pay the consultant/senior consultant's salary? Who will meet the difference? Pass it to the taxpayers and raise taxes?

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by 16/f/lonely @ Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:28:34 +0800

16/f/lonely — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:28:34 +0800

Originally posted by sir_peanuts:

first he said new generation ministers must learn from him

then he said he's the best health minister ever

what can we draw from this?

A picture of the afore-mentioned.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by Ahm97sic @ Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:23:17 +0800

Ahm97sic — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:23:17 +0800

Orignially Posted by Oxford Mushroom

For subsidised patients, they still pay $25 per consultation even if the specialist is a senior consultant or consultant.

The reason for the suggestion that on the first visit is that the patient should be seen by a senior consultant or consultant because they are more experienced and knowledgeable. After their assessments, the patient will then be assigned another specialist (Registrar, Assoc Consultant, Consultant or Senior Consultant) based on the seriousness of his or her conditions on the subsequent consultations.

My point of argument is that patients do not have to suffer quietly and conditions to deteriorate while waiting for months to see the specialists in the government hospitals.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by oxford mushroom @ Sat, 05 Apr 2008 09:56:12 +0800

oxford mushroom — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 09:56:12 +0800

Originally posted by Ahm97sic:

The current referral system adpoted by the government hospitals has many bottlenecks problems.

       A patient who needs to see a neurologist have to wait for six to seven months, three to four months

for a nephrologist, two to three months to see a psychiatrist etc.

      Patients who have more complicated illness which require to see one or a few specialists will have

difficulties.Patients have to suffer quietly and conditions to deteriorate while waiting to see the specialists months later.

      The governemnt hospitals should practise the policy of any patient which requires specialists' attention (ie patients that are given referral letters by polyclinic dcotors) will be seen by a senior consultant or consultant doctor first within a week or two. After the first consultation, the patient will then be assigned a specialist (Registrar, Assoc Consulant, Consultant or Senior Consultant) based on his or her specific condition. A more serious condition will be given an earlier date and a less serious condition can be given a later date.

      Under this new system, patients do not have to suffer quietly and conditions to deteriorate and tests

can be done and be readied for the second consultation.

There is a long waiting list in the public hospitals because the pay is far better for doctors in private hospitals. Many doctors leave for the private sector, especially the senior ones, resulting in fewer specialists in the public hospitals. Simple demand and supply...of course the waiting list gets longer. If you want a shorter waiting time, you must be prepared to pay doctors in public hospitals far more.

You want every patient referred to a public hospital to be seen by a Consultant/Senior Consultant? Sure...as long as you are prepared to pay $150 per consultation. You have to more than double the current consultation fees to mak it worthwhile for Cs and SCs to remain in the public sector. If you pay peanuts...what do you expect?

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by PRP @ Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:11:22 +0800

PRP — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:11:22 +0800

GCT was Heath Minister before.Since he says KBW is the best Health Minister,that means KBW is even better than him.So he should be promoted to be DPM or SM.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by t_a_s @ Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:25:48 +0800

t_a_s — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:25:48 +0800

GCT talk kok sing song

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by lotus999 @ Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:19:36 +0800

lotus999 — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:19:36 +0800

Originally posted by sir_peanuts:

first he said new generation ministers must learn from him

then he said he's the best health minister ever

what can we draw from this?

he possibly has to curry favour some of those star ministers so that they would keep him posted on the happenings of the party.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by Ahm97sic @ Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:18:00 +0800

Ahm97sic — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:18:00 +0800

Singapore health system is generally considered of a high standard BUT there are areas that the health minister can improve on.
The current referral system adpoted by the government hospitals has many bottlenecks problems.
       A patient who needs to see a neurologist have to wait for six to seven months, three to four months

for a nephrologist, two to three months to see a psychiatrist etc.

      Patients who have more complicated illness which require to see one or a few specialists will have

difficulties.Patients have to suffer quietly and conditions to deteriorate while waiting to see the specialists months later.

      The governemnt hospitals should practise the policy of any patient which requires specialists' attention (ie patients that are given referral letters by polyclinic dcotors) will be seen by a senior consultant or consultant doctor first within a week or two. After the first consultation, the patient will then be assigned a specialist (Registrar, Assoc Consulant, Consultant or Senior Consultant) based on his or her specific condition. A more serious condition will be given an earlier date and a less serious condition can be given a later date.

      Under this new system, patients do not have to suffer quietly and conditions to deteriorate and tests

can be done and be readied for the second consultation.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by 4getmenot @ Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:41:30 +0800

4getmenot — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:41:30 +0800

Originally posted by maurizio13:

Whether it be taking money from citizens or reducing welfare for citizens, still the same issues.

2 ways to improve profitability, increase taxes or reduce cost of benefits.

You are not going to see them using the excess surplus funds to improve marginal social benefits.

The excess surplus goes into making contingencies for their salaries in the future.

Hey!

They save the government so much money and make huge surpluses from the taxes,

maybe we should reward them further by giving them another 100% raise.

like they say...becareful wat u wish for....it just might come true...xD

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by t_a_s @ Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:30:00 +0800

t_a_s — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:30:00 +0800

the pot calling the kettle black

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by a-Lost-9uY @ Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:15:21 +0800

a-Lost-9uY — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:15:21 +0800

when r we getting our progress package le

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by maurizio13 @ Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:15:18 +0800

maurizio13 — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:15:18 +0800

Originally posted by dukedracula:

while i generally find these pap ministers irksome, i do however rate khaw a lot better, at the very least he’s mooting medical insurance which would be helpful….unlike lim hng kiang who refused to do anything for a baby whose medical bill ran up to more than half a million simply because there’s a system to follow….

i’d like to be fair where it’s called for, khaw is trying to work on cost reduction while mah bt and raymond lim are not ashamed to cryptically admit to fleecing the general populace…

Whether it be taking money from citizens or reducing welfare for citizens, still the same issues.

2 ways to improve profitability, increase taxes or reduce cost of benefits.

You are not going to see them using the excess surplus funds to improve marginal social benefits.

The excess surplus goes into making contingencies for their salaries in the future.

Hey!

They save the government so much money and make huge surpluses from the taxes,

maybe we should reward them further by giving them another 100% raise.

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by dukedracula @ Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:51:44 +0800

dukedracula — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:51:44 +0800

while i generally find these pap ministers irksome, i do however rate khaw a lot better, at the very least he’s mooting medical insurance which would be helpful….unlike lim hng kiang who refused to do anything for a baby whose medical bill ran up to more than half a million simply because there’s a system to follow….

i’d like to be fair where it’s called for, khaw is trying to work on cost reduction while mah bt and raymond lim are not ashamed to cryptically admit to fleecing the general populace…

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by Lin Yu @ Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:07:49 +0800

Lin Yu — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:07:49 +0800

all the minister take money from peasant and get kpkb but he take money from peasant and still receive a thank you

all minister must learn from him

SM Goh has been flattering Khaw Boon Wan replied by sir_peanuts @ Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:04:38 +0800

sir_peanuts — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:04:38 +0800

first he said new generation ministers must learn from him

then he said he's the best health minister ever

what can we draw from this?

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