http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 en-US 60 <p>freedom speech is good ,it enhance communication ,decrease mutual communication barriar ,and clear mis understanding.But don't go to extreme.</p> Tue, 06 May 2008 22:24:56 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8066800 rokkie http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>Right.. I do not wish my freedom of speech wrt profanities.&nbsp; I do not wish to lose my freedom to joke as well, since most jokes are untrue.</p> <p>So, where do we draw the line?</p> Tue, 06 May 2008 20:44:09 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8066415 Shotgun http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>Right:&nbsp; Argue rationally and speaking honestly.</p> <p>Wrong:&nbsp; Speaking dishonestly, insulting others and using vulgar words.</p> Tue, 06 May 2008 20:37:25 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8066397 PRP http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>Question is, where do you draw the line between responsible freedom of speech. Running into the airport shouting "bomb!" is obviously an irresponsible exercise of freedom of speech.&nbsp; Of course as everyone will say, thats obviously wrong! What an idiotic question.&nbsp; But when we change the contents of what its said and slide it away from the "Extremes", where exactly do we cross the mark that indicates "responsible" freedom of speech?</p> Mon, 05 May 2008 23:38:24 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8064483 Shotgun http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Eddie Lee:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Don't believe everything that you read in Pravda.</p> <p>Freedom of Speech is alive and well in the United States.</p> <p>People routinely protest the actions of their President, their government in general, the war in Iraq, Muslim extremists trample the American flag. And even racists are allowed to spew their ignorance and parade in street. Of course ignorant racist people are a minority always outnumber by counter protesters.People are only arrested when the cross the line and break the law. Protesting China or the Olympics is not illegal. Interfering with the torch procession is illegal. And many people were arrested for that.</p> <p>I have a lot of issues with the United States. But the right for people to express themselves is not one of them.</p> <p>When China, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Cuba allow their citizens to speak their mind. Then you can tell me how wonderful communism is <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Ah yes....US is a country where freedom of speech allows people to be dumb....evolution? Not accepted in some areas because people have the right to voice out what they THINK is correct, as compared to what IS correct.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Then another half of the US is controlled by their 'free' media. (They belived in whatever the media is telling them is true, nevermind if the media is telling lies or reporting in a biased tone.) How many people can even realise that fox news isn't a reliable source for information for instance? Fox news is like several times worse than any other media outlet.</p> <p>If you thinks that mediacorp is biased, wait till you see fox news.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Mon, 05 May 2008 23:05:54 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8064382 ray245 http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>in North Korean language Tibet is called 서장(西藏,the Chinese way)but in south Korea it's called 티뱃(Tibet,the English way)S.Korea is just a dog feeded by U.S.A.</p> Sun, 04 May 2008 19:46:37 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8061127 Colby http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>Do u think the topic "LKY, when are u going to die?" should be allowed?</p> Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:59:39 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8039168 PRP http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>There is rthe ight for freedom of speech under our constitution.But of course there is a limit to that freedom under the law.One can't say something which is&nbsp;contrary to&nbsp;the regarding law.I believe most of us know what those law are.</p> Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:25:30 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8022271 PRP http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>Don't believe everything that you read in Pravda.</p> <p>Freedom of Speech is alive and well in the United States.</p> <p>People routinely protest the actions of their President, their government in general, the war in Iraq, Muslim extremists trample the American flag. And even racists are allowed to spew their ignorance and parade in street. Of course ignorant racist people are a minority always outnumber by counter protesters.People are only arrested when the cross the line and break the law. Protesting China or the Olympics is not illegal. Interfering with the torch procession is illegal. And many people were arrested for that.</p> <p>I have a lot of issues with the United States. But the right for people to express themselves is not one of them.</p> <p>When China, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Cuba allow their citizens to speak their mind. Then you can tell me how wonderful communism is <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:50:36 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8019734 Eddie Lee http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <p>Originally posted by justdoit77:</p> <p>agree.<br /> We should allow people to voice out, we wouldn't know whether they will abuse this right or not.<br /> <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">If the authority think that their speech violate the laws, then take action.</span></strong></p> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>But you do see the irony right...... if the authority deems your speech to have violated some laws, but you Disagree...... won't we have come back to square one <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_question.gif" alt= "icon_question.gif" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_exclaim.gif" alt= "icon_exclaim.gif" />&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The problem is we don't always agree with the 'Authority' on&nbsp;what is&nbsp;<strong>OK</strong> or <strong>NOT OK</strong> to talk about..... <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_sad.gif" alt="icon_sad.gif" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Think about this..... go to 'Speaker Corner' near Chinatown, sign a simple form and show your IC. Follow the rules on what could or could not be said..... then you could also talk there as much as you wants..... <strong>But is that what we are&nbsp;aiming for</strong> <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_question.gif" alt="icon_question.gif" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_neutral.gif" alt= "icon_neutral.gif" /></p> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:04:52 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8011492 hloc http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Actually freedom of speech can be easily abused, so there should be punishments to deal with that.</p> <p>That is my view.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>agree.<br /> We should allow people to voice out, we wouldn't know whether they will abuse this right or not.<br /> If the authority think that their speech violate the laws, then take action.</p> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:49:10 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8011472 justdoit77 http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <p>Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:</p> <p>Actually freedom of speech can be easily abused, so there should be punishments to deal with that.</p> <p>That is my view.</p> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The problem is that if some sort of punishment is waiting for a speaker...... then that would hardly be&nbsp;true FOS.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>A better question would be - <strong><em>"How&nbsp;could we ensure the speaker will be respondsible for what He/She is talkin about"</em></strong>.&nbsp;</p> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:57:04 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8011347 hloc http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p><span style="color: #000000;"><span>From an anonymous Dane:<br /></span></span></p> <p class="" style="">&nbsp;</p> <p class="" style=""><span style= "color: #000000;"><strong><em><span>We apologise, we apologise</span></em></strong></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span>We apologise, because we gave you housing and help</span></em></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span>We apologise, because we give you an education</span></em></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span>We apologise, because we help you economically</span></em></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span>We apologise, because we let you worship your god in our Christian country</span></em></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span>We apologise, because we send help to your countries</span></em></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span>We apologise, because we don't claim bloody vengeance for the murders of our countrymen by the hands of Muslims</span></em></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span>We apologise, because we don't strut around with explosives strapped to the body, when we feel insulted</span></em></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span>We apologise, because we don't just do what your faith dictates</span></em></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style= "color: #000000;"><em><span>&nbsp;</span></em></span></p> <p class="" style=""><span style="color: #000000;"><em><span>But an apology for expressing ourselves in our own country and after our own rules – that you will never have</span></em></span></p> <p class=""><span style= "color: #000000;"><em><span>&nbsp;</span></em></span></p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:33:39 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8010061 googoomuck http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>Actually freedom of speech can be easily abused, so there should be punishments to deal with that.</p> <p>That is my view.</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:33:14 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8010058 Poh Ah Pak http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>There should be regulation regarding abuse of this right.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>hehe, then the purists will say this is not FOS.</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:23:41 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8010019 redDUST http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <p>and worst, start to spread their stupid beliefs towards others, even if it is a dumb idea.</p> </blockquote> <p>There should be regulation regarding abuse of this right.</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:17:04 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8010003 Poh Ah Pak http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>Come one, freedom of speech isn't that good all the time.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Freedom of speech can allow a biased news reporting to take place, because the media will have freedom of speech as well.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>You think improving freedom of speech means more people will be more clever towards any news source reporting?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>And just a side note, freedom of speech also means people have the freedom to be dumb, and worst, start to spread their stupid beliefs towards others, even if it is a dumb idea.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:04:44 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8009979 ray245 http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p><em>Mr Johnson said:</em></p> <p><strong><em>"If people feel they want to protest peacefully I support their right to do it.<br /> "Freedom of Speech is a fundamental right we should always defend."</em></strong></p> <p>even in this sentence above which the TS quoted, FOS is already conditional. no prizes for guessing which word it is.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:46:20 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8009935 redDUST http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>that's why i said FOS is a myth in the first place. in reality, there is no such thing.</p> <p>when america prides itself and say it is a free country, is it really `free' in every sense of the word? that one can rape, pillage and steal to one's heart's&nbsp;content because america declares itself `free'?</p> <p>FOS in reality is relative when it is used and applied.</p> <p>let's have a dose of realism here when we discuss this. if one insists on discussing&nbsp;FOS in its theoratical context, then i rest my case.</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:16:17 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8009867 redDUST http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by RoyFang:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>There is no freedom of speech anywhere in the world.</p> <p>If there is this so called freedom, we would have racists holding rallies aganist the "race" they hate.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> and you are justifying for ??? justifying what???</p> <p>a gun can protect you, so legalise it?</p> <p>freedom is what u have to fight for.</p> <p>with money and power, many in many countries can dictate many things.</p> <p>so people have to fight for their own freedom , something not given to you for free. when someone can control you, why do you think he would let go of this power? if let go, he is no body.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:11:07 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8009858 balance_else_complacent http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <p>Maybe on the Internet, yes for most people&nbsp;but still there would be censorship.</p> <p>Do you have the so called&nbsp;freedom of speech in your daily life?</p> <p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Like going up to your boss and saying that he/she is a lazy bum?</span></p> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Sure I could..... if I want to be jobless the next day......</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Which is why I said what we wanted is - <span style= "color: #0000ff;"><strong>"Freedom from Responsible if our speech cause problem"</strong></span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <blockquote> <p><strong>Actually FOS does imply that.</strong></p> <p><strong>FOS with boundaries doesn't = FOS</strong></p> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Agree..... which is why again I question is S'porean really ready for No Hold Bars FOS as they have always said they want.....</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:22:35 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8009761 hloc http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by hloc:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>OMG..... are you telling me that ppl who posted Anti-Govt views here are 'Hunted Down' every day <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_exclaim.gif" alt= "icon_exclaim.gif" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_eek.gif" alt="icon_eek.gif" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>If not..... ain't you already having the freedom to said what you want <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_question.gif" alt="icon_question.gif" />&nbsp;I think what we want is not 'Freedom of Speech'...... <strong>but <span style= "color: #0000ff;">Freedom from Responsible if our speech cause problem</span></strong>.....</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Maybe on the Internet, yes for most people&nbsp;but still there would be censorship.</p> <p>So yes, the FOS people are actually seeking is freedom from responsiblity when what they say cause problems.</p> <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by redDUST:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>FOS doesn't imply no-holds-barred talk all kinds of nonsense without consequences. it has boundaries as well. we need to be aware of this.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Actually FOS does imply that.</p> <p>FOS with boundaries doesn't = FOS.</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:13:07 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8009750 RoyFang http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <p><strong>FOS doesn't imply no-holds-barred talk all kinds of nonsense without consequences. it has boundaries as well. we need to be aware of this.</strong></p> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Great.... <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_exclaim.gif" alt="icon_exclaim.gif" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_biggrin.gif" alt= "icon_biggrin.gif" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>But like FireIce pointed out..... how do you prevent ppl from abusing it <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_question.gif" alt="icon_question.gif" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>What happen when someone in S'pore wants to produce a similar film like '<strong>Finta</strong>'.....</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>If we were to stop him/her..... there would be no real 'FOS'</p> <p>If we don't stop him/her..... we would have no peace among the races.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Could we depend on S'poreans to knows the boundaries.....<img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_question.gif" alt= "icon_question.gif" /> to be aware of&nbsp;the consequences....<img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_question.gif" alt= "icon_question.gif" />&nbsp;I really hope we could..... but seeing how if I don't agree with Anti-Govt views here instantly made me a ''PAP running dog".... I doubt we understand what FOS really means.....</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Just my 2 cents worth.... or is even this too Pro-Govt for the ppl here...... <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "icon_rolleyes.gif" /></p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:10:45 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8009747 hloc http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by FireIce:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>there was FOS<br /> but ppl abuse it<br /> so might as well dun give them<br /> orbigoot</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>fos is a double-edge sword. ppl can abuse it but ppl also can benefit from it.</p> <p>i think overall it should benefit mankind for we can hear various views and then make our own independent decisions.</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:57:47 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8009722 lotus999 http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925 <p>FOS doesn't imply no-holds-barred talk all kinds of nonsense without consequences. it has boundaries as well. we need to be aware of this.</p> Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:54:28 +0800 sgforums.com:10:313925:8009719 redDUST http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/313925