SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by Fantagf @ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:24:28 +0800

Fantagf — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:24:28 +0800

What goes round, comes around, what goes up must come down.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by Itjane2006-friends @ Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:52:56 +0800

Itjane2006-friends — Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:52:56 +0800

The decision makers in the govt and govt agencies are destroying Singapore with their almost everything pro-FT, pro foreigners and their deterence-sentence-trigger-happy-treat-Singaporean-lesser-than-foreigners policies and attitude. Intentional or not, sometimes perceived, but most times real. Singaporeans feel they are treated worse than second-class citizens in their own country where their sons, brothers, uncles, father, nephews, husband (with the support of their families, to look after their parents, children, brothers, sister, grandparents while they are in NS) performed 2 long years of national service and many years of reservist duty so that Singapore can be safe and secured. It is a sacrifice and opportunity cost that is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not , priceless. Without which those top paying officers in govt will not be able to continue to receive their gigantic pay package. Some of our NS men have made the ultimate sacrifice. Their mothers cried themselves dry. I ask with a broken heart and soul, how can Singaporeans be treated as second class and sometimes even third class citizens by the people they risk their lives to protect? Where is these decisions' maker conscience? Whose interests are they protecting?

The way Singapore govt treats its people, in terms of its policies and actions, will give foreigners a good idea how they should treat Singaporeans. It is no wonder then our govt-linked company's are treated as second class in some countries.

Do these policies and decision makers know Singaporeans are loosing their souls, their sense of belonging, their pride and are suffering most of the time in silence? Maybe not.

The culture of complacency may be so overwhelming that these decision makers may not even know or care how the grassroots feel.. until it is too late... Sigh....

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by Melbournite @ Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:26:13 +0800

Melbournite — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:26:13 +0800

these agencies should be dragged out on to the streeet and put 2 in the head for economic crimes commited against the country.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by Melbournite @ Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:45:36 +0800

Melbournite — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:45:36 +0800

i agree with u they should be reported for sedition acts and hopefully PAP can fine them a 100 grand like what they did in AUS to to an Airline company. then use the money to spend on public.

If u read the Sedition Act carefully :

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_getdata.pl?actno=1964-REVED-290&doctitle=SEDITION+ACT%0A&date=latest&method=whole++

" (d) to raise discontent or disaffection amongst the citizens of Singapore or the residents in Singapore;"

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by cyberr1981 @ Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:19:59 +0800

cyberr1981 — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:19:59 +0800

Can we report those companies under Sedition Act for being unfair?

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by eagle @ Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:51:46 +0800

eagle — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:51:46 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

people like eager will use the convenient answer that if you dont let them hire indian oceanites, these companies will bankrupt and to avoid this migrate elsewhere.

I told him repeatedly, a company invest in a place not due to IT dept cost alone. Its where the sales and mfg and strategic location. european companies employ a strong majoroity of europeans and they all command the highest pay in IT. European companies expand overseas but locally, they protect their own. European union is very succesful in this aspect. Why do european companies in europe not hire indiaon oceanites to save cost in europe? Europe is truely1st world. because they can. eager should spread his eagle for me. Here we see others also well aware that there is a real problem , not that FT is not needed entirely. FT is needed . Its just the ratio and how this policy is being managed. Over supply and overpowering ratio of ft:locals is a real problem to me.

WP should do something about this issue. Else, what is WP all about?

Do you know how many times I said this too?

Its just the ratio and how this policy is being managed

It is so obvious now that you attempt to post about me without reading exactly what I have said. You only read things you want to read, and not everything

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:40:09 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:40:09 +0800

Originally posted by purpledragon84:

but how come they can siam the employment Act thingy ah? i thot there is a ratio one? must have a certain percent of sgrean to FT? i quite blurred by this..

people like eager will use the convenient answer that if you dont let them hire indian oceanites, these companies will bankrupt and to avoid this migrate elsewhere.

I told him repeatedly, a company invest in a place not due to IT dept cost alone. Its where the sales and mfg and strategic location. european companies employ a strong majoroity of europeans and they all command the highest pay in IT. European companies expand overseas but locally, they protect their own. European union is very succesful in this aspect. Why do european companies in europe not hire indiaon oceanites to save cost in europe? Europe is truely1st world. because they can. eager should spread his eagle for me. Here we see others also well aware that there is a real problem , not that FT is not needed entirely. FT is needed . Its just the ratio and how this policy is being managed. Over supply and overpowering ratio of ft:locals is a real problem to me.

WP should do something about this issue. Else, what is WP all about?

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by eagle @ Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:35:15 +0800

eagle — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:35:15 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

Not all these FTs are that great.
I know because I am in this field.

I work for a boss who is from indian ocean.

I suppose to report under him.

Here is the treatment I am getting:

1. all his indian ocean team gets reasonably new models of notebooks. somehow, for me, I get a worn out machine. full of weird noises from this machine. why? I asked for change and report the problem. Nothing done. the battery life is 5 mins.

2. I am one of the rare locals in the team. suppose to report under him, he does not talk to me and place me under 2 similar or lower ranked staff from the indian ocean to give me work to do. They order me around like hand pointing to me asking me to go over whenever they have things for me to do. Usually, asking me do testing.

3. They never talk to me from the start and distance from me not asking me to go lunch with them.

I see that i have no future in this company : the boss , his assistant mgrs, his team all from the indian ocean.

no chance to climb. difficult at best. bias.

hk liao.

4. I tested and found a critical technical design issue in the solution developed by the indian ocean sub-con implementing the project. My boss works for our company who engage the consultants. I raised it and immediately the boss said they are not wrong. The problem was raised several months back also by someother tester. Nothing was done. Their design is flawed but can still pass the testing. In the long run , the maintenance team who takes over will suffer.

I am a porean working in the indian ocea

n but residing in the pore.

Yeah, not all those foreigners are all that great.

Then again the question for you is, why not change? This type of boss can go die lor... Discrimination plus alienation... plus not listening to the advice of the staff...
I really feel for you...

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:29:04 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:29:04 +0800

Originally posted by fishbuff:

if an asian in australia hire the whole IT dept of asians, there will be revolt and will be splashed across the news media.

this however, showed just how the mom and the govt willing to get the general population to bend over for the sake of fts.

i have malay IT ex-colleagues and till this day, worked for more than 8 years in the same position in *CS at the same position. why cant they trained and promoted to take on better roles, instead of balantly call in indian/PRC/china FTs to hold on better positions?

one of the govt site that my GM used to run, had this indian FT tasked to monitor the entire enterprise backup system. everyday told my GM that the backup jobs where ok, but there was a crash with one of the mission critical servers and need urgent recovery. the FT couldnt do it.. and my GM found out that the backups had failed consistently for the past 3 months!

their certification and training, according to my ex-indian IT colleague, are received in school compound with a trainer using an overhead projector to teach to a mass of 500-1000+ students at a fee of $100 per head. after which, they are presented a cert called "certified in java programming, or plsql programming"!

i knew some foreign directors that are clueless on what core IT system are all about in SG. coz i presented to them before!

Not all these FTs are that great.
I know because I am in this field. but the hirer is the boss who can also be from the indiaon ocean. they dictate who to hire . Mismanaged, u will see 90:10.

I work for a boss who is from indian ocean.

I suppose to report under him.

Here is the treatment I am getting:

1. all his indian ocean team gets reasonably new models of notebooks. somehow, for me, I get a worn out machine. full of weird noises from this machine. why? I asked for change and report the problem. Nothing done. the battery life is 5 mins.

2. I am one of the rare locals in the team. suppose to report under him, he does not talk to me and place me under 2 similar or lower ranked staff from the indian ocean to give me work to do. They order me around like hand pointing to me asking me to go over whenever they have things for me to do. Usually, asking me do testing.

3. They never talk to me from the start and distance from me not asking me to go lunch with them.

I see that i have no future in this company : the boss , his assistant mgrs, his team all from the indian ocean.

no chance to climb. difficult at best. bias.

hk liao.

4. I tested and found a critical technical design issue in the solution developed by the indian ocean sub-con implementing the project. My boss works for our company who engage the consultants. I raised it and immediately the boss said they are not wrong. The problem was raised several months back also by someother tester. Nothing was done. Their design is flawed but can still pass the testing. In the long run , the maintenance team who takes over will suffer.

I am a porean working in the indian ocea

n but residing in the pore.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by eagle @ Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:24:15 +0800

eagle — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:24:15 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

employmt agents.

what they do.

if a person is all day aiming for revenue,

all day thinking about placement of labor,

all day thinking about money,

even if he is a citizen,

does anyone think that he will not like to place as many FT as he can?

he gains what.

They are smart in not competing with FWs.
They are smart in riding on the PAP's management of foreign policy, although the policy isn't well supported.
They are smart in venturing out to do something else. you can condemn them all you like, but the fact remains that they did something to change their lives.

And especially this statement

all day thinking about money,

You charge these people for this 'crime', yet you are complaining about wages being driven too low by FWs at the same time? Hmmm

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:19:19 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:19:19 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

the citigroup asia pacific boss is indian. still, in IT, you have to admit that they are quite terror in this field. real talent, i must add. i don't know about the 95% claim though because i know all major mncs are committed to diversity, including race hires.

if u organise a public information session, I can bring evidence to show the public. 90:10.

for our friend it is 95:10.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by balance_else_complacent @ Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:30:24 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:30:24 +0800

employmt agents.

what they do.

if a person is all day aiming for revenue,

all day thinking about placement of labor,

all day thinking about money,

even if he is a citizen,

does anyone think that he will not like to place as many FT as he can?

he gains what.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by Melbournite @ Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:24:28 +0800

Melbournite — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:24:28 +0800

u will get imposters masquerading as "qualififed top class professionals" when u dont have a system to verify their level of skills.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by fishbuff @ Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:48:38 +0800

fishbuff — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:48:38 +0800

Originally posted by cyberr1981:

—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-——-
Originally posted by fishbuff:it makes my blood boils to see just how prevalent the adoption of FTs in SG.

go to credit sussie and citibank, frigging whole depts are 95% foreigners! i went there for an interview, fully equiped with master, honours, 8 years of oracle experiences and OCP certification and STILL i cant even qualify for a normal job there. and of course, i was interviewed by two ah nehs, and while i walked to the interview room, farking whole IT depts are all indians!!
—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-——-

Really?? Most of the people working in citibank are indians?? Why??

Shocked to hear that!

if an asian in australia hire the whole IT dept of asians, there will be revolt and will be splashed across the news media.

this however, showed just how the mom and the govt willing to get the general population to bend over for the sake of fts.

i have malay IT ex-colleagues and till this day, worked for more than 8 years in the same position in *CS at the same position. why cant they trained and promoted to take on better roles, instead of balantly call in indian/PRC/china FTs to hold on better positions?

one of the govt site that my GM used to run, had this indian FT tasked to monitor the entire enterprise backup system. everyday told my GM that the backup jobs where ok, but there was a crash with one of the mission critical servers and need urgent recovery. the FT couldnt do it.. and my GM found out that the backups had failed consistently for the past 3 months!

their certification and training, according to my ex-indian IT colleague, are received in school compound with a trainer using an overhead projector to teach to a mass of 500-1000+ students at a fee of $100 per head. after which, they are presented a cert called "certified in java programming, or plsql programming"!

i knew some foreign directors that are clueless on what core IT system are all about in SG. coz i presented to them before!

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by jojobeach @ Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:23:22 +0800

jojobeach — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:23:22 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

the citigroup asia pacific boss is indian. still, in IT, you have to admit that they are quite terror in this field. real talent, i must add. i don't know about the 95% claim though because i know all major mncs are committed to diversity, including race hires.

Yes, it is true. They are very good and cheap in this field.

However, employers got eye to see one. Because of this practise...top managements are very reluctant to promote Indians beyond manager level.

We have MBAs and PHDs Indians working for many years with the company.. but they will always get bypassed. So .. they are actually spoiling the markets for other well deserving Indians.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by redDUST @ Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:42:37 +0800

redDUST — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:42:37 +0800

Originally posted by cyberr1981:

—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-——-
Originally posted by fishbuff:it makes my blood boils to see just how prevalent the adoption of FTs in SG.

go to credit sussie and citibank, frigging whole depts are 95% foreigners! i went there for an interview, fully equiped with master, honours, 8 years of oracle experiences and OCP certification and STILL i cant even qualify for a normal job there. and of course, i was interviewed by two ah nehs, and while i walked to the interview room, farking whole IT depts are all indians!!
—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-——-

Really?? Most of the people working in citibank are indians?? Why??

Shocked to hear that!

the citigroup asia pacific boss is indian. still, in IT, you have to admit that they are quite terror in this field. real talent, i must add. i don't know about the 95% claim though because i know all major mncs are committed to diversity, including race hires.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by cyberr1981 @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:06:08 +0800

cyberr1981 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:06:08 +0800

—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-——-
Originally posted by fishbuff:it makes my blood boils to see just how prevalent the adoption of FTs in SG.

go to credit sussie and citibank, frigging whole depts are 95% foreigners! i went there for an interview, fully equiped with master, honours, 8 years of oracle experiences and OCP certification and STILL i cant even qualify for a normal job there. and of course, i was interviewed by two ah nehs, and while i walked to the interview room, farking whole IT depts are all indians!!
—-—-—-—-—-—-—-—-——-

Really?? Most of the people working in citibank are indians?? Why??

Shocked to hear that!

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by 333225520 @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:01:46 +0800

333225520 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:01:46 +0800

Originally posted by qlqq9:

very happy to read your post above, such a good post. Seriously, the present positions for pm and mm must be made vacant for we can't afford these sickos whose character are questionable to lead the nation. pm underperforms and pay himself super high world class salary. It is normal and reasonable for any company to sack or terminate staff like that.

LOL, we are having a SM to mentor PM to run the nation and MM mentoring the SM to mentor PM to run the nation,

If the current PM is unable to run the nation by himself, we should replace him with a cheaper FT.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by qlqq9 @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:36:36 +0800

qlqq9 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:36:36 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

Nothing wrong with these agencies. They are merely riding on what the government is advocating; a smart move in my opinion.

If want to blame, we should still look for the root cause. These are just side effects.

This is partially due to what lhl said about he is not making singapore a welfare state. As such, he and PAP can't be bothered to assist to protect the rice bowls of the locals. lhl is bloody inhuman, cold blooded, extremely selfish, arrogant.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by purpledragon84 @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:40:05 +0800

purpledragon84 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:40:05 +0800

i just want to see this person's face when the boss tells her "hey, you're fired, i've got a cheaper FT to replace u" and she realises how difficult it is to get a bloody job..

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by eagle @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:35:22 +0800

eagle — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:35:22 +0800

Nothing wrong with these agencies. They are merely riding on what the government is advocating; a smart move in my opinion.

If want to blame, we should still look for the root cause. These are just side effects.

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by purpledragon84 @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:33:03 +0800

purpledragon84 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:33:03 +0800

but how come they can siam the employment Act thingy ah? i thot there is a ratio one? must have a certain percent of sgrean to FT? i quite blurred by this..

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by fishbuff @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:57:35 +0800

fishbuff — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:57:35 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

when you see a lot of ah nehs, or is interviewed by one, you can pretty much 95% cross out that position you are applying for, and focus on your next target.

these indians are the `tightest' of the lot. their camaraderie is astounding. they look after each other, unlike us chinese who backstabs each other so we can be half a step ahead. sigh!

in my last SG job, there are well over 300+ people in this IT company, less than 5 are singaporeans. the so-called software testers, just sat there and press a button to let the program run (online jackpot) and records the odds. bloody hell, these kind of software testers must fly from india to do meh??

they flew afew angmohs in to do "program and project management", drawing well over $20k+/mth with expat package, what kind of apps they are managing? online poker! the company is super kum lan...

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by redDUST @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:13:02 +0800

redDUST — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:13:02 +0800

Originally posted by mistyblue:

yeah Chinese have always been the first to seel their own people out... its in our DNA...

just like greed, gambling, two-timing, amongst others....

SG employment agencies selling sporeans out replied by qlqq9 @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:09:05 +0800

qlqq9 — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:09:05 +0800