Double standards??? replied by sgdiehard @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:30:54 +0800

sgdiehard — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:30:54 +0800

Originally posted by BabyRex:

It's 1989, not 1986. And from my experience and what I had read about, many PRCs' from the younger generation (below 30) are clueless or knew very little about it. I remember sitting in front of the TV watching events unfold then , especially the scene where a man stood in front of a column of tanks, blocking their path.

thanks for correction of the year. Those born after the 80s may be too young to remember the incident but they knew what happened. But i am sure many of them would know about the incident because there are many books written on June 4. Occassionally there are still articles written to assess the aftermath.

The scene of a man stopping a whole column of tanks is a icon for call for freedom at that time internationally. It seems that the guy was not even a demonstrator but somebody living nearby. I admire his guts and trust that the driver didn't drive further, nobody need to be told what happened if you were run over by a tank.

Double standards??? replied by hloc @ Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:39:06 +0800

hloc — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:39:06 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

gee....thanks for the lengthy clarification. now i know why smrt is so profitable.

are there no nda when you sign on your employment contract that disallow you to reveal all of the above? or these are public info?

i am only jesting you in my earlier post. you seem perturbed by it. my bad. it's harmless. btw, i left school many years ago. so, i am not as `green' as you imply.

This is not any more information that is known to our family members...... when is our off days, what time will we go to work and comes home, how much are we bring home..... Nothing 'Sercet' about it.....

And Yes..... I'm a little 'PISS OFF' when ppl tell me how 'Well' I should be earning because SMRT is making Tons of money...... Not with that person, just with that simple thinking. The trains have to keep running fully loaded or empty..... and yet SMRT can't even give family members of their staffs a discount on taking SMRT's train or buses......

Which in my mind.... is as cheap as it could be.....

Double standards??? replied by rokkie @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:48:22 +0800

rokkie — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:48:22 +0800

don't be so fussy lah

Double standards??? replied by purpledragon84 @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:20:47 +0800

purpledragon84 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:20:47 +0800

Originally posted by Fatum:

reminds me of the time my uni organized a China-Taiwan forum ... no prizes for guessing which group of people were behaving like gangsters ...

The taiwanese students were all measured and courteous ... a credit to their upbringing ..... I left in disgust when the thing degenerated into a scream fest for the other side .....

but i thot the taiwan politicians always flying shoes and pulling hair one? tv always got show one.. haha.. but they are better than chinese nationals any day..

Double standards??? replied by Fatum @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:42:16 +0800

Fatum — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:42:16 +0800

Originally posted by fornax84:

What I am putting forward, is a matter of concern. I am neither pro-Tibet nor pro Beijing. As our local unis are getting more internationalised, these issues of the foreigners may clash with the interest of the locals. The sch is an institution to study and receive knowledge, and most unions are not allowed to discuss policies of the state or other related stuffs. According to the govt, foreigners are not welcomed to politicise, put forward their ideologies to influence SG, so isn't what these PRC doing, contradicts this statement? My fear is that if these matters get out of hand, e.g. 11 of them rope in more of their compatroits to chant and shout slogans, or worst, get in a fight against western students. Our effort to promote SG as an international education hub will go to waste. Ppl will see the local unis as dangerous first, rather than the PRCians as dangerous.

Just to illustrate my concern, take a look at the example in this link

http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2008/04/14/News/Student.Gets.Threats.After.China.Protest-3322848.shtml

reminds me of the time my uni organized a China-Taiwan forum ... no prizes for guessing which group of people were behaving like gangsters ...

The taiwanese students were all measured and courteous ... a credit to their upbringing ..... I left in disgust when the thing degenerated into a scream fest for the other side .....

Double standards??? replied by fornax84 @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:36:15 +0800

fornax84 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:36:15 +0800

What I am putting forward, is a matter of concern. I am neither pro-Tibet nor pro Beijing. As our local unis are getting more internationalised, these issues of the foreigners may clash with the interest of the locals. The sch is an institution to study and receive knowledge, and most unions are not allowed to discuss policies of the state or other related stuffs. According to the govt, foreigners are not welcomed to politicise, put forward their ideologies to influence SG, so isn't what these PRC doing, contradicts this statement? My fear is that if these matters get out of hand, e.g. 11 of them rope in more of their compatroits to chant and shout slogans, or worst, get in a fight against western students. Our effort to promote SG as an international education hub will go to waste. Ppl will see the local unis as dangerous first, rather than the PRCians as dangerous.

Just to illustrate my concern, take a look at the example in this link

http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2008/04/14/News/Student.Gets.Threats.After.China.Protest-3322848.shtml

Double standards??? replied by caleb_chiang @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:24:20 +0800

caleb_chiang — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:24:20 +0800

Originally posted by fornax84:

I was wondering and seriously pondering, to what an extent are our local universities biased towards foreigners.

Yesterday, while walking along a sheltered connector towards the canteen, I encountered a huge jam of human flow in the front. It was later that I found out that a group of PRC students are holding a signature petition rally for the Beijing 2008. There was this China student parading abt waving a full sized PRC flag, while the other student was holding a large plank card with writings, of support Beijing 2008 and stop western media from demonising PRC. Some other of their compatroits are manning the signature books........

I was wondering, why did the university allow such events to be held? Last time, when the student union wanted to conduct similar signature gathering on banner, to protest against the increase in tution fees, the school step in immediately and stop the union from doing so. Emails were also sent to threaten the students of the consequences of participating. The sch used the execuse that such event may cause public nuisance, and may cause public disorder. So the PRC students waving the flag, blocking the walk way is not a nuisance? Besides, considering the sch have quite a number of western nation students, what if a scuffle broke out between them and the PRC students? Isn't such things a cause of concern? Lastly, if a student is to hold a "Pro-Tibet" rally, will the sch approve of this?...........

Well... when it comes to money... the one who benefit will come to stop mah...

Double standards??? replied by BabyRex @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:01:18 +0800

BabyRex — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:01:18 +0800

Originally posted by sgdiehard:

The PRC students know about the ang chia, their senior faced tanks in their own country in 1986. if they are on scholarship then they take the risk of being sent back to where they came from.

Singaporean students don't have to give the excuse that the PRC students have any kind of privileges. I believe the PRC students are behaving like the fifth columnists in any country, just the singaporean students do now behave like the local students of the angmoh country.

It's 1989, not 1986. And from my experience and what I had read about, many PRCs' from the younger generation (below 30) are clueless or knew very little about it. I remember sitting in front of the TV watching events unfold then , especially the scene where a man stood in front of a column of tanks, blocking their path.

Double standards??? replied by purpledragon84 @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:44:55 +0800

purpledragon84 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:44:55 +0800

wave singapore flag back at them and tell them to stop demonising singapore with their shitty accents..

Double standards??? replied by LazerLordz @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:24:21 +0800

LazerLordz — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:24:21 +0800

If the SAO or OSA allowed the pro-Beijing 2008 rally, then it is only fair to have the Other represented. :lol:

Double standards??? replied by hiphop2009 @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:58:33 +0800

hiphop2009 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:58:33 +0800

well, are u so affected?

i think most Singaporean student wouldnt care abt it.

Double standards??? replied by Fatum @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:16:44 +0800

Fatum — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:16:44 +0800

There was this China student parading abt waving a full sized PRC flag ...

haha, they were doing that ? .... *giggles ...

reminds me of my time in Canada ... one year during canada day (their national day, 1st of July), where there are traditional fireworks at many cities, people sing "O Canada" etc ...... some chap managed to get the Chinese Natinonal Anthem played as part of the fireworks performance in downtown vancouver .....

the legions of chinese PRs there stood up and started singing of course ....

needless to say, the ang mohs were not very amused ... it's THEIR national day after all ....

I pulled my hat low and scrunched my head down ....

sensitivity ? ... I think it should work both ways ....

Double standards??? replied by sgdiehard @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:13:15 +0800

sgdiehard — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:13:15 +0800

Originally posted by Fatum:

in an ang moh country these students would be called fifth columnists .....

in Singapore they are called foreign talents ..... I bet some of them were even on scholarships here ...

so, of course no action was taken .....

if a few Singaporeans go wave placards on the other hands .... look out for the ang chia ....

The PRC students know about the ang chia, their senior faced tanks in their own country in 1986. if they are on scholarship then they take the risk of being sent back to where they came from.

Singaporean students don't have to give the excuse that the PRC students have any kind of privileges. I believe the PRC students are behaving like the fifth columnists in any country, just the singaporean students do now behave like the local students of the angmoh country.

Double standards??? replied by Fatum @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:06:14 +0800

Fatum — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:06:14 +0800

Originally posted by fornax84:

I was wondering and seriously pondering, to what an extent are our local universities biased towards foreigners.

Yesterday, while walking along a sheltered connector towards the canteen, I encountered a huge jam of human flow in the front. It was later that I found out that a group of PRC students are holding a signature petition rally for the Beijing 2008. There was this China student parading abt waving a full sized PRC flag, while the other student was holding a large plank card with writings, of support Beijing 2008 and stop western media from demonising PRC. Some other of their compatroits are manning the signature books........

I was wondering, why did the university allow such events to be held? Last time, when the student union wanted to conduct similar signature gathering on banner, to protest against the increase in tution fees, the school step in immediately and stop the union from doing so. Emails were also sent to threaten the students of the consequences of participating. The sch used the execuse that such event may cause public nuisance, and may cause public disorder. So the PRC students waving the flag, blocking the walk way is not a nuisance? Besides, considering the sch have quite a number of western nation students, what if a scuffle broke out between them and the PRC students? Isn't such things a cause of concern? Lastly, if a student is to hold a "Pro-Tibet" rally, will the sch approve of this?...........

in an ang moh country these students would be called fifth columnists .....

in Singapore they are called foreign talents ..... I bet some of them were even on scholarships here ...

so, of course no action was taken .....

if a few Singaporeans go wave placards on the other hands .... look out for the ang chia ....

Double standards??? replied by sgdiehard @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:58:37 +0800

sgdiehard — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:58:37 +0800

Originally posted by fishbuff:

PRC - do first, and stops when authority intervene.

SG - ask authority for permission before doing anything.

nothing wrong. different mindset mah.

Fully agree. Singaporean youths are apathetic to anything like that. Afterall, their family can afford hike in school fees, they are only interested in graduating and get a good job....if things don't go well, then they either come to this forum and kpkb or migrate to australia.

Double standards??? replied by sgdiehard @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:54:22 +0800

sgdiehard — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:54:22 +0800

Originally posted by qlqq9:

You witnessed what you saw and nobody is stopping the PRC students because PAP, lky very pro China chinese.

To speak against increase in fees does not benefit PAP so it is not allowed.

don't say anything nobody would say you are dumb. You think the security having his meal cares if they are PRC students or Singaporean students? who else you think would stop the protest? if you were there would you?

Double standards??? replied by redDUST @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:03:00 +0800

redDUST — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:03:00 +0800

Originally posted by hloc:

Bro.... let me guess.... you haven't start working life yet right either that or only work for a short numbers of years......

Rule Number 1 -

You are only a Worker.... NOT Shares Holder.... Therefore All & Any Profits largely belongs to the Boss/Company/Shares Holder.... and not the workers.... which is paid every month.

Rule Number 2 -

Not happy with Rule Number 1...... as my HR like to said - The Door Is Always Open - aka go look for a new job.... bye.....

A newly enlisted Train Officer...... aka Train Driver.... is paid a basic pay of $890 to $1300.....

depending on your level of education.....

You work 7 type of shift - Early Morning ($14 allowance), Normal Morning (No Allowance), Normal Afternoon ($8), Post Midnight ($10), Mid-Shift ($8), Split Shift ($10 max) and Nightshift ($14).....

You work the follow rota - 7 days work - 2 days off - 7 days work - 2 days off - 7 days work - 2 days off - 5 days work - 3 days off.... and start from the begining again......

You have an avg pay rise of $30-$60 a year..... if your Boss likes you.....

You get to do Over Time...... if your Boss like you.... and after working 7days + 1 day OT..... you'll only have 1 day rest..... follows by 7 more days of work......

So tell me - redDust - how many S'porean you know like to work shift And we are talking about 7 types of shift..... you work most weekends and Public Holidays..... and if you get along with your Boss.... gets $30-$60 pay rise a year.....

So, does it seems that SMRT (The Company) making loads of $$$$$ means anything to me....

gee....thanks for the lengthy clarification. now i know why smrt is so profitable.

are there no nda when you sign on your employment contract that disallow you to reveal all of the above? or these are public info?

i am only jesting you in my earlier post. you seem perturbed by it. my bad. it's harmless. btw, i left school many years ago. so, i am not as `green' as you imply.

Double standards??? replied by hloc @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:57:02 +0800

hloc — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:57:02 +0800

Originally posted by mistyblue:

Finta will cross onto the country's policy of racial harmony. The school do not want to start the govt looking into it so this is also one that will be clamp down.

Most correct....

Therefore it is safe to said that if any Pro-Beijing 2008 gathering is not stopped..... Anti-Beijing 2008 gathering could start as well..... destorying the harmony of all international students in the School.....

And if like you said earlier.... Profit is that important.... wouldn't NOT stopping the Pro-Beijing 2008 gathering bring dis-harmony to the School and therefore.... hits their Profit

Double standards??? replied by qlqq9 @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:56:42 +0800

qlqq9 — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:56:42 +0800

You witnessed what you saw and nobody is stopping the PRC students because PAP, lky very pro China chinese.

To speak against increase in fees does not benefit PAP so it is not allowed.

Double standards??? replied by hloc @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:48:49 +0800

hloc — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:48:49 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

dun pull our legs yeah....smrt profits is to the brim. M sure you get your fair share here.

Bro.... let me guess.... you haven't start working life yet right either that or only work for a short numbers of years......

Rule Number 1 -

You are only a Worker.... NOT Shares Holder.... Therefore All & Any Profits largely belongs to the Boss/Company/Shares Holder.... and not the workers.... which is paid every month.

Rule Number 2 -

Not happy with Rule Number 1...... as my HR like to said - The Door Is Always Open - aka go look for a new job.... bye.....

A newly enlisted Train Officer...... aka Train Driver.... is paid a basic pay of $890 to $1300.....

depending on your level of education.....

You work 7 type of shift - Early Morning ($14 allowance), Normal Morning (No Allowance), Normal Afternoon ($8), Post Midnight ($10), Mid-Shift ($8), Split Shift ($10 max) and Nightshift ($14).....

You work the follow rota - 7 days work - 2 days off - 7 days work - 2 days off - 7 days work - 2 days off - 5 days work - 3 days off.... and start from the begining again......

You have an avg pay rise of $30-$60 a year..... if your Boss likes you.....

You get to do Over Time...... if your Boss like you.... and after working 7days + 1 day OT..... you'll only have 1 day rest..... follows by 7 more days of work......

So tell me - redDust - how many S'porean you know like to work shift And we are talking about 7 types of shift..... you work most weekends and Public Holidays..... and if you get along with your Boss.... gets $30-$60 pay rise a year.....

So, does it seems that SMRT (The Company) making loads of $$$$$ means anything to me....

Double standards??? replied by redDUST @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:00:38 +0800

redDUST — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:00:38 +0800

Originally posted by hloc:

If any here thinks this is no possible...... THINK AGAIN..... this is how 85-90% of low paid worker behave at work...... which include ME..... if my Boss pretend to paid me.... do you think I would want to work extra

dun pull our legs yeah....smrt profits is to the brim. M sure you get your fair share here.

Double standards??? replied by mistyblue @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:52:41 +0800

mistyblue — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:52:41 +0800

Finta will cross onto the country's policy of racial harmony. The school do not want to start the govt looking into it so this is also one that will be clamp down.

Double standards??? replied by hloc @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:15:53 +0800

hloc — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:15:53 +0800

Originally posted by mistyblue:

PRC students protest about issues that does not concern the school. They can protest al they want but it does not impact the school's profits. The student unions intends to protest against higher fees. This obviously impacts the school's profits. So its only logical being a profit entity, what the school's actions will be regarding "protest"

If we follow your line of thought...... then it would be 'Ok' to have a gathering showing support for the anti-Islam film - Finta - ..... since it has nothing to do with the School's profit..... But how likely would you think the School would allow it

Double standards??? replied by mistyblue @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:25:53 +0800

mistyblue — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:25:53 +0800

PRC students protest about issues that does not concern the school. They can protest al they want but it does not impact the school's profits. The student unions intends to protest against higher fees. This obviously impacts the school's profits. So its only logical being a profit entity, what the school's actions will be regarding "protest"

Double standards??? replied by hloc @ Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:14:09 +0800

hloc — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:14:09 +0800

Originally posted by fishbuff:

PRC - do first, and stops when authority intervene.

SG - ask authority for permission before doing anything.

nothing wrong. different mindset mah.

That's what I'm try to said......

If the School OK-ed the PRCs students..... then indeed it is a case of double standard. If they did not even knows about it..... then it could be a case of slow action.

As for the part that " The campus security was having his meal in the canteen"...... I'm not too sure how well the campus security is being paid..... but I'm sure I wouldn't want to waste my own break time unless my Boss demand that I break-up the gathering.....

Its a simple case of "worker bee" thinking.....

1) I break-up the gathering on my own -

Pro - Nothing happens.... the PRCs go away, I make a report, my Boss file the report.... lifes goes on.

Con - PRCs students decided to make a bigger protest.... even pull in the Chinese Embassy into the matter.... my Boss need someone's head to drop..... guess who's Head will that be ..... Ohh.... and I miss my meal break.

2) Pretend I didn't see anything......

Pro - Still get the same pay without doing extra job.....

Con - If my Boss wants me to break-up the gathering..... Have to do extra..... But at least the Boss will answer to his Boss..... my lifes goes on.....

If any here thinks this is no possible...... THINK AGAIN..... this is how 85-90% of low paid worker behave at work...... which include ME..... if my Boss pretend to paid me.... do you think I would want to work extra

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