Originally posted by eagle:ya hor... you are damn right... can use his methods although not fully related to the module... Set... I have already downloaded the report... will go reanalyse it
... good luck..
lol. what a way to end this debate..
make peace mah... This is called cultured, unlike debates with Gazelle.
Originally posted by eagle:make peace mah... This is called cultured, unlike debates with Gazelle.
what happened back there?
... opinions will often differ in most matters, but respect is a two way thing in everything...
well done
thanks for all Q&A
got time drop by Singapore Buddhist Lodge this Sat.
Secondary level bbursary presentation @ 3pm
will at least see mainly or mostly negibourhood school plus, muslim association, india association, euration
Ok I got a reply from HFH
fumigation of 1 room rental flats is always done or bear by town council cost.
if any unit require fumigation, respective town council should be involved.
if bedding involve should contact their respective senior activity centre person-in-charge
e.g Sarah SAC, Mr Richard De Roza
If everything should should should, you should go organise the same event and show them you can do it with much lesser funds than them.
You are one that talks a lot but do nothing.
The email sent out to volunteers wasn't even meant for you; you are obviously not a supporter of their cause and method and thus most likely not to be in their volunteer database.
then too bad, get them to clean up their data base.
profit making from volunteer, make no different from event management company.
Originally posted by zaxis:then too bad, get them to clean up their data base.
profit making from volunteer, make no different from event management company.
If you are in their database and you don't like it, it is your responsibility to voluntarily withdraw from the database. No one is putting a gun on your head to force to accept and read their emails. You have so much queries, yet don't even have the guts to email an enquiry => obviously the type that wait for things to happen only.
And please explain how much they can profit from the monthly Operation Homeworks with the collections of only $1k from the volunteers going, after deducting T-shirts, food and the other accessories, logistics and etc.
no need to argue. Zaxis let them to continue to do what they want - if people are willing to pay and volunteer at the same time let them loh. If you say not for profit organizations should face greater scruntiny by the IRA, then we should raise this issue to the opposition. The ones with nothing to hide has nothing to fear.
Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:no need to argue. Zaxis let them to continue to do what they want - if people are willing to pay and volunteer at the same time let them loh. If you say not for profit organizations should face greater scruntiny by the IRA, then we should raise this issue to the opposition. The ones with nothing to hide has nothing to fear.
Precisely. Whined about an email not even meant for him.
I personally feel there will be less volunteers (I could be wrong) if you ask people to contribute both time AND money for a T-shirt that people dont really need. If the volunteers are really charitable and have the means, they WOULD do both (without the additional cost of a Tshirt and can BYO food).
That being said, I strongly believe that not for profit financials have to be as tightly scrutinized as private sector companies especially those that have lots of assets and/or large donations.
let sky keep them "read in hokkien"
lucky have me inside their data base, now other VWO will know their wrong doing.
if without the man who repair NKF toilet, who would know NKF has golden water tap.
best wan bao and sunday time all will be reporting the "Paid to be volunteer"
"Omy.com also has this topic"
still waiting to read their fiancial report!
how many house they had build?
how many has start re-payment?
where re-payment money?
how many companies had paid to join them? donate to them? claim double tax deduction?
pls la zaxis. i really laugh when i see your posts. u are trying very hard to make a big fool of yourself
see oredi also disgusted with you. *PUI PUI PUI* plus step on u
Originally posted by zaxis:let sky keep them "read in hokkien"
lucky have me inside their data base, now other VWO will know their wrong doing.
if without the man who repair NKF toilet, who would know NKF has golden water tap.
best wan bao and sunday time all will be reporting the "Paid to be volunteer"
"Omy.com also has this topic"
still waiting to read their fiancial report!
how many house they had build?
how many has start re-payment?
where re-payment money?
how many companies had paid to join them? donate to them? claim double tax deduction?
If you are still so concerned, I'm repeating the following again:
The solution is simple. You can simply write a letter directly to the organisation to ask for a breakdown of the costs instead of whining here.
Or do you still prefer to be the
You are one that talks a lot but do nothing.
And it seems you like to draw parallels with very unrelated events. The gold tap is a unnecessary and luxurious installment. I fail to see how, from the accounting of how the $20 from the volunteers will be spent, that the expenditure here is both unnecessary and luxurious.
The more you post, the more you seem to me to have a motive of intentionally trying to disrupt community service provided for these old folks now. Even if that isn't your true intention, you are still indirectly responsible for trying to bring about it (seen from your posts to very much wanting the newspaper to report on this). You better believe in karma.
good, let see if charity portal interest or already looking into H4Hsg account.
Ren Ci hospital fund raised money for buying brick but later used for buying tier,
their IPC status also stopped.
you may laugh at me now,
i am just doing my part disclosing H4Hsg "in-correct" doing.
my intention is very simple.
centralise
go see yourself king george ave senior activity centre.
they centrelise their dry ration storage, their register SAC member can get what they want from the centrelise kitchen storage room on top of their daily S$0.50 hot cook lunch.
when ever those people who need to do dry food distribution, after the giving cermoni, all member return their share to the kitchen. member may take what they need from those bags of dry ration, balance all centrelise store in KGA SAC.
and this is also share H4Hsg @ Redhill, if they think need S$20.00 to do volunteer.
It is better to look for those rich people who got money but no time, think joining the group, by paying S$20.00 some other volunteer will do their portion. even if cleaning job not complete, they also call it a day. importance is remember to remind them to look good in front of camera.
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Originally posted by zaxis:good, let see if charity portal interest or already looking into H4Hsg account.
Ren Ci hospital fund raised money for buying brick but later used for buying tier,
their IPC status also stopped.
you may laugh at me now,
i am just doing my part disclosing H4Hsg "in-correct" doing.
my intention is very simple.
centralise
go see yourself king george ave senior activity centre.
they centrelise their dry ration storage, their register SAC member can get what they want from the centrelise kitchen storage room on top of their daily S$0.50 hot cook lunch.
when ever those people who need to do dry food distribution, after the giving cermoni, all member return their share to the kitchen. member may take what they need from those bags of dry ration, balance all centrelise store in KGA SAC.
and this is also share H4Hsg @ Redhill, if they think need S$20.00 to do volunteer.
It is better to look for those rich people who got money but no time, think joining the group, by paying S$20.00 some other volunteer will do their portion. even if cleaning job not complete, they also call it a day. importance is remember to remind them to look good in front of camera.
In this thread alone you have displayed
1) your "waiting for others to do" mentality
2) your high propensity to transfer responsibility and blame
3) your total disregard to the volunteers
4) your whining attitude with no guts to contact HFH directly
5) your easy comparisons in a illogical manner
6) your cowardice by hiding behind an online nick to whine in a forum
You asked for transparency for the $20, you were given. Then you attacked how it could be better spent, and not how it wasn't properly accounted for. The point here is that you were told how the $20 was spent. The point is not how it could have been better spent. Yes, they could do other methods as you suggested to reduce the $20. Fact is, they did not. But, whether the organisation is efficient a not, is totally different from whether they took in the $20 for themselves. Somehow, you just want to link these two together, and then proclaimed loudly that it is a wrong-doing on their part (when you raised that their financial account should be looked into). For what motives, only you would know.
You might also have indirectly brought about less care for the poor old folks. Remember, what goes around comes around.
In addition, you have also levied corruption and wrongdoing charges based solely on factors that they could have improved on, and none on inappropriate and illegal stuff that they have done. The examples you have raised so far were comparisons between inappropriate behaviour (gold tap) vs inefficient organising (could have gotten free food, etc). Probably that's why you have to hide behind an online nick, because if you were to go out there to say all those you have said, you will be most likely sued for slander.
same to you
what goes around will be back to you too.
profit making from needy elderly is what you think no other people will do other then you
praying hard charity portal to look into H4Hsg account.
just wait for worm out from H4Hsg can.
how you know i hide behind, how you know i did not talk openly to media? Charity portal office? NVPC? CNA?
you must have forgotten i am @ Singapore Buddhist Lodges today 4 secondary busary award session,
this event media coverage.
how you know i did not cover this too?
Originally posted by zaxis:
same to you
what goes around will be back to you too.
profit making from needy elderly is what you think no other people will do other then you
praying hard charity portal to look into H4Hsg account.
just wait for worm out from H4Hsg can.
how you know i hide behind, how you know i did not talk openly to media? Charity portal office? NVPC? CNA?
you must have forgotten i am @ Singapore Buddhist Lodges today 4 secondary busary award session,
this event media coverage.
how you know i did not cover this too?
They profit? So now you are just aimlessly shooting claims without any basic proof?
You hide behind. Simple. Many of the questions, you can direct it straight to HFH. But nah, you prefer to whine here instead. I do dare you to say all those you have said to the media, word for word, and see if you will get sued for slandering.
Remember, you are charging HFH for profitting based on things that they could have done to reduce costs (inefficiency), and not inappropriate and illegal things they have done.
Of course, if you have evidence that they are doing things like installation of gold taps in their toilets, then I will stand by your side. Till then, you are just basically making false linkages, and indirectly influencing potential volunteers not to help these old folks. Yes, what goes around comes around.
Originally posted by eagle:Ok I got a reply from HFH
There is already a report on LianHe WanBao.$10 goes to a t-shirt so that we can identify all volunteers and for morale purposes;$4 goes for lunch pack with mineral waterBalance $6 goes to cleaning equipment, detergent, bedding cost (bed, mattress, pillow) if needed, fumigation if needed, project management cost.The fee is a token amount because bedding itself can cost $300, fumigation also $300 a unit. We are sponsored mainly by corporations and other donors, certainly not from this small amount from volunteers. Also, the email blast was for our own volunteer database, mainly to supporters of our cause and method.Best rds.
Yong Teck MengNational Director
1) The T-shirt is unnecessary. Why cannot issue something cheaper or re-usable to identify? Are there really so many willing volunteer to identify?? And what morale purpose, care to clarify? What is the morale purpose of wearing a t-shirt when those are WILLING volunteers??
2) People are already volunteering, can't the org be generous enough to at least treat them to lunch? Not very nice to charge money for lunch of volunteers, you know.
3) Donations from corporations and donors should be enough to cover equipment. Since there is a steady flow of donations, why is there a need to charge money from volunteers?
Originally posted by eagle:Till then, you are just basically making false linkages, and indirectly influencing potential volunteers not to help these old folks. Yes, what goes around comes around.
Forumers are making deductions and various point of views. You seemed to only expect positive and supportive opinions which is impossible in a forum. Any comments probing, you fired at the forumer.
So far, all the points discussed are possible and reasonable. Since the NKF saga, you can't expect people to continue to donate blindly, without asking.
Even the government are encouraging people to raise questions of a charity they find suspicious, so why are you faulting forumers on this?
PS: And, don't keep on using karma to "threaten" or "blackmail" people. Kindness can be done in everyday life to people around us, not necessarily we have to donate money or volunteer to charity.
Originally posted by fudgester:After all, don't volunteers for overseas projects have to pay a few hundred dollars for their volunteerism? So how? They should go for free?
Is the payment of a few hundred dollars accountable?
State reasons and supportings.
actually i don't find it unreasonable to question the doings of VWOs and their accountability. I find it healthy and good.
what I do find questionable is ...
the expectation that money should be raised by someone else while 'volunteering' can be done by the individual.
and to carry this further - if the money is raised by someone else ALREADY, the individual SHOULD NOT need to contribute - the point being that an individual should contribute when and if he feels something is worthwhile to give money to - not to feel that as long as someone else is giving money, why should I?
and that the government is solely responsible for its peoples welfare - considering that the govt SHOULD be made up by the people and if you take for granted that simply becos one party had been in govt for a long time, the citizen only has the responsibility to accuse and not assert - then I think the citizen is a big cause for such a government. You can't blame the govt when most people only know how to criticise and don't want to do real work.
If everyone has this point of view, donation, governance, responsibility will ALWAYS be left to someone else because you feel that you yourself as part of the macro picture that makes up all singaporeans have no liability towards making this society work.
The problem with pointing fingers at a job badly done is that... you affect people who are actually TRYING to get the job done. (even though some do it really badly), without actually encouraging or asserting anyone to get the job done BETTER. It is really not constructive and while the same critical people keep on talking about how one should help the old, the needy, the disabled in a much BETTER way - it is only if someone gets out to do it, that it is ACTUALLY done.
Else... better someone being 40% productive than no one doing anything at all.
Thus, my question is - why stop at the accusations? It isn't enough.
But of course, we will have armchair critics who feel that their opinions is the best thing they have that is valuable but not their effort.