Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by qpicanto @ Tue, 06 May 2008 21:13:04 +0800

qpicanto — Tue, 06 May 2008 21:13:04 +0800

Originally posted by ChiBet:

When you have control, even partial control, market manipulation occurs.

Take one example, when only Singtel is allowed to supply internet access services to business, they charge $400-500/mth for unlimited access plan but once Starhub is also authorize to do so, Singtel slash their prices to $99/mth. This means Singtel is still able to turn a profit at 80% price reduction (amid rising inflation)

where did all that profit got? the stock holders (government) then in to the pockets of ministers as their 'salary'

not raising wages means more profit from companies under government control so again translate to more money for minister's 'salary'

If you do enough research, you will realised that private companies pay better than government link companies. It is only those working for the GLCs that really need the pay raise but in doing so would affect the minister's salary hence the announcement.

it does not help at a time of when Sporeans are witnessing an inflationary spiral never seen in decades when we have GLCs who are monopolies providing BASIC amenities like PUBLIC Transportation, where fares can go UP on an annual basis despite record profits, making a mockery of the agencies such as case, ptc and competition commission .

lower incomes wages earners hard earned money got 'potong' because of the lack of competition and this is only one example.

Look at the COMPULSIVE and substantive increases in deposits to a get a easi link and cash cards. There is no ALTERNATIVE, they make u pay more with cash payment to take Public transport.

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by 16/f/lonely @ Tue, 06 May 2008 20:45:26 +0800

16/f/lonely — Tue, 06 May 2008 20:45:26 +0800

I won't doubt that opening the job market creates more jobs.

But I also won't doubt that S'poreans would be displaced.

I know the govt is trying to get S'poreans to compete with foreigners in this rat race because we stand to lose if we choose to have a protectionist policy.

But the govt clearly reckons it is trying to convince fools.

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by Shotgun @ Tue, 06 May 2008 20:41:08 +0800

Shotgun — Tue, 06 May 2008 20:41:08 +0800

Singaporean girls not pretty? Hmmm maybe cos he got no daughter thats why he dare say that... Oh wait... his lao po never pinch him meh?

Btw, if you notice, its not the government that favors foreign talents over Singaporeans. Its the employers. Dude, you're getting you're getting cuckolded by the person you address as "boss."

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by HyperFocal @ Tue, 06 May 2008 19:00:20 +0800

HyperFocal — Tue, 06 May 2008 19:00:20 +0800

... vote them in another 5 years, and we all will be eating GRASS!!!

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by charlize @ Tue, 06 May 2008 18:57:07 +0800

charlize — Tue, 06 May 2008 18:57:07 +0800

How come the title is not "Industries urged to give Singaporeans proper pay package" ?

Haiz, even the Minister of State thinks foreign workers deserve better than Singaporeans.

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by HyperFocal @ Tue, 06 May 2008 18:55:51 +0800

HyperFocal — Tue, 06 May 2008 18:55:51 +0800

... quite obviously, we are all taken as fools...

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by HyperFocal @ Tue, 06 May 2008 18:08:37 +0800

HyperFocal — Tue, 06 May 2008 18:08:37 +0800

... God bless you all...

... Singapore has become a No Citizen's Land...

... either leave, or die here...

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Industries urged to give foreign workers proper pay package
By May Wong, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 05 May 2008 2053 hrs

SINGAPORE: Industries need to provide proper remuneration and recognition to retain foreign workers in Singapore especially in the construction sector, according to Senior Minister of State for National Development, Grace Fu.

She was responding to media queries on manpower shortage in this sector, which is expected to remain robust for the next two years.

Ms Fu also gave an update on what the government is doing to help meet the demand for workers. This includes setting up more skills training centres overseas.

She said: "By doing so, we're expanding the (pool of) workers, but at the same time, we want to make sure they are well-trained before they come over. So that's really striking a balance between having more supply and at the same time, ensuring that some minimum standards apply.

"Over in Singapore, we're looking at how we could allow skilled foreign workers to stay on longer and the Ministry of Manpower has been very positive. They have made changes to legislation for example, to allow work permit holders to stay up to 18 years.

"So with that we hope that the foreign workers will stay longer and hopefully there's a larger pool of experienced workers in Singapore to help supervise some of the newcomers. So we are expanding the number of workers, but not at the expense of safety."

Ms Fu was speaking to reporters after opening the Construction Safety, Health and Security Campaign on Monday.

She said Singapore's construction industry employs almost 300,000 workers, including those in managerial and technical positions.

In 2007, for every 100,000 construction workers, there were 8.1 fatalities. The single largest cause of fatalities is falling from height, with 14 fatalities recorded last year.

The Building and Construction Authority (BCA) carries out over 2,000 safety inspections annually. Last year, BCA revoked 51 permits issued to companies which failed to meet safety requirements.

On legislation, Ms Fu said the government has decided to delay the scheme to license builders, which was originally planned for this October. However, this has since been postponed to next January after feedback from the industry.

The scheme will ensure that only competent builders with the required resources and technical capability can carry out building works. - CNA/vm

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Tue, 06 May 2008 15:58:06 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Tue, 06 May 2008 15:58:06 +0800

Singapore. Believe it or not, foreigners do not take jobs away from locals: PM

Ladies and Gentlemen,

According to the Singapore state controlled newspaper, the Straits Times of May 01, 2008, in the story "Foreigners do not take jobs away from locals: PM", Lee Kuan Yew's son, the Prime Minister claims that the present island wide rampant anger among Singaporeans against foreign workers for taking their jobs is totally misplaced! On the contrary, he says, believe it or not, foreign workers actually help create more jobs! Wait a minute! Am I missing something here! I have read Alice in Wonderland but this statement beats even that!

As to how this can be true, defies logic. In fact it would have defied the most vivid imagination of a drug addict high on heroin!

In Singapore, there are about a million foreign workers, most of them engaged in the lower end lower skilled jobs. We all know that. We also know, there is no need for an employer to articulate a reason why foreign workers are to be admitted. They can be admitted in unlimited numbers. The only burden upon him is to pay the government a levy for each worker; thereby benefiting the government with increased revenue. Having done that he can pay the foreigner as low a wage as he wants, even $500.00 per month, if the impoverished foreigner will take it. In this manner of suppressing wages, Singaporeans looking for jobs cannot find any; and those already in jobs are fired, only to be replaced by a foreigner willing to accept even lower wages.

It should be quite clear to anyone with a head on his shoulders that foreigners take jobs away from Singaporeans and suppress wages to their detriment. Living standards of Singaporeans are lowered, they have less money, they and their families suffer, while employers benefit through lower wages and greater profits; and of course the government benefits through the collection of foreign worker levies. The sucker in this equation is the native Singaporean.

I have been told, it is in fact a disadvantage to be a Singaporean in Singapore. Imagine that! A disadvantage to be a citizen of his own country. I have been told from reliable sources that the first thing an employer asks a job applicant is whether he is a Singaporean. If he answers in the affirmative, there goes his job opportunity. In fact I have heard of the bizarre pathetic situation where desperate Singaporeans have in fact claimed that they were foreigners at job interviews, so as to increase their chances of landing the job! Such lack of compassion, such an uncaring, insensitive government can only be found in such a country like Singapore; with a Lee Kuan Yew father and son dictatorship.

So one thing is quite obvious in this situation. This indiscriminate import of cheap labor in unlimited numbers benefits foreign workers, not Singaporeans, who are in fact, on a daily basis, kicked out from their jobs, only to be replaced by a cheaper foreigner prepared to work for less.

Lee Kuan Yew's son, the Prime Minister, makes a preposterous assumption that Singaporeans are not prepared to take these jobs, and therefore it is no loss to them if some foreigner takes it. This statement cannot be further from the truth. It is in fact a shameless lie.

I have personally been told by Singaporeans, already working, that they were told to accept lower pay, or else they would lose it to a foreigner! Having no choice, to feed a family of wife and children, they are compelled to reluctantly accept lower wages or else they would lose the job altogether; with no other hope but starvation.

As a result of the government increasing the cost of living essentials; in order to make ends meet, one needs to have more money. This increase in wages, makes Singapore less competitive than neighbouring countries. But the government, in the light of the higher costs of living, should not hang on to the low cost assembly line jobs which were the norm. They should let it go and move on to high end high value added industry which pays higher wages. As Lee Kuan Yew had himself said before, Singapore is the Switzerland of the east. And if so, the workforce should be paid Swiss wages with Swiss productivity levels and Swiss high tech high value added industry.

But that is not what this government is doing. Even though it is very clear that at today's costs, Singaporeans should have at least $3,000.00 per month, what Lee Kuan Yew is trying to do is is to pay workers $300.00 per month instead. Clearly the sums do not add up.

In order to compete with third world cheap wage countries, Lee brings in cheap labor foreigners, paying them third world wages in Singapore. In these circumstances the unskilled Singaporean has no choice but to accept $300.00 a month or not eat at all.

And not satisfied with deliberately hurting the livelihood of the lower income Singaporeans, to rub salt into the wound, he makes fun of the plight of the poor by mocking them by his flippant remarks.

He says foreigners are not here to take jobs from Singaporeans but to enlarge the economic pie. This is a very uncaring hurtful remark especially for Singaporeans who have lost their jobs to cheaper foreign labor. As to how the economic pie is enlarged he does not elaborate. It is quite obvious he cannot.

To add insult to injury, he makes a joke out of the plight of those who have lost their jobs. He agrees with Lim Boon Heng the minister that foreign beer ladies attracted more customers instead of locals, presumably because they are beautiful and Singapore women are ugly! Is he now insulting Singapore women as being ugly and unable to attract male customers? He than enjoys a laugh at the expense of Singaporeans who have lost their jobs saying it is a good thing to have pretty (foreign) beer ladies who will encourage Singaporeans to drink more!

He says foreigners can work long hours seven days a week while Singaporeans cannot. Therefore foreigners are better workers who will reduce costs and increase productivity and profits. A slap in the face for every Singaporean; no doubt about it. Not satisfied that he denies Singaporeans jobs; he is determined to insult them as well!

He then says with the help of foreigners the airport seaport factories etc will remain open longer hours, implying that had it been Singaporeans working at these places, these facilities would have all shut down and gone out of business!

He then says that smaller unproductive businesses can remain in business by employing cheap foreign worker at the expense of Singaporeans. What sort of economic sense this makes does boggle one's mind!

And then in his usual gibberish, he claims that foreigners are in fact an asset to Singaporeans and that we should not complain at all when our jobs are taken from us!

Reading this deliberate insult to Singaporeans, it makes my blood boil. If it does yours, then it is about time you told him so very clearly and deliberately. Arrange with the Singapore Democratic Party to hold a peaceful assembly outside his office with banners and placards, in numbers exceeding 5, with a clear message to him to stop insulting the intelligence of Singaporeans. Contrary to what he may think, Singaporeans have a brain too.

Gopalan Nair

http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008/05/

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by charlize @ Tue, 06 May 2008 12:50:18 +0800

charlize — Tue, 06 May 2008 12:50:18 +0800

Spend so much money to catch Singaporeans littering but don't spend a cent on proper cameras at detention centres which house dangerous criminals.

The government really cares about Singaporeans.

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by purpledragon84 @ Mon, 05 May 2008 23:59:38 +0800

purpledragon84 — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:59:38 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

Survival of the fittest, China style

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gI1CwUBibCDaZQMLZ9CzTKnVGiQQ

Chinese export hub at centre of child labour scandal

"...The factories paid the children between 2.5 yuan and 3.8 yuan (35 and 55 cents) an hour..."

oh so THAT'S what oxford mushroom meant by survival of the fittest! now I see it all..

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by redDUST @ Mon, 05 May 2008 23:56:26 +0800

redDUST — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:56:26 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

"The poodle have proudly announced that they will be using 7.5 million peasant money to install security camera to catch litter bug so that they can raise the town council fees."

Runaway bureaucracy?

SDP/WP/SDA sign should read "What to do? YOU voted PAP in"

hidden agenda,... BIG brother's watching you....

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Mon, 05 May 2008 23:53:24 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:53:24 +0800

"The poodle have proudly announced that they will be using 7.5 million peasant money to install security camera to catch litter bug so that they can raise the town council fees."

Runaway bureaucracy?

SDP/WP/SDA sign should read "What to do? YOU voted PAP in"

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by Shotgun @ Mon, 05 May 2008 23:43:52 +0800

Shotgun — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:43:52 +0800

According to Newsweek, they reported that the global economy has doubled in the last 15 years to $54 trillion. And global trade grew by 133% in that same period. Makes you wonder why we are feeling so much effect from the inflation.

Imagine the inflation when oil hits $200 a barrel...

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by googoomuck @ Mon, 05 May 2008 23:03:54 +0800

googoomuck — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:03:54 +0800

Singapore's way of helping workers: bite the bullet, take tough measures

Here, people are prepared to head to the dark corners to hunt for tough solutions - Shit Say

Scratch your nose by puting your arm around the back of your head - I Say

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Mon, 05 May 2008 22:41:41 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Mon, 05 May 2008 22:41:41 +0800

" install security camera to catch litter bug "

Relax lah. If anyone get caught, just say "you people damn good ah, very fast can catch me but lost the terrorist MSK..."

Goes to show what kind of pygmy brain these PAP bureaucrats have.

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by Medicated Oil @ Mon, 05 May 2008 22:38:22 +0800

Medicated Oil — Mon, 05 May 2008 22:38:22 +0800

We are paying these sleeping dogs million dollars to serve the peasants better.

So, are they worth a million ?

Answer: NO !

Just read the 154th times Page 3.

The poodle have proudly announced that they will be using 7.5 million peasant money to install security camera to catch litter bug so that they can raise the town council fees.

Can they put the 7.5 million dollars for better use ?

The slap on the face is the article next to it showing needy peasants queueing up for free food.

What a good time to waste peasant money !

If this Phua is not a fool, I dunno what she is or did she meet the peasant at all ?

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by 16/f/lonely @ Mon, 05 May 2008 22:08:37 +0800

16/f/lonely — Mon, 05 May 2008 22:08:37 +0800

Originally posted by charlize:

We must increase minister salaries by another million or two so that they can ensure dangerous people won't escape through toilet windows at the detention centre.

No....they should increase NSF pay so that they have more motivation.

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Mon, 05 May 2008 21:57:15 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Mon, 05 May 2008 21:57:15 +0800

"increase the pay and later tell everyone that the increase is going to be donated to charities."

btw which charity did LHL donate to? The LKY foundation?

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by charlize @ Mon, 05 May 2008 19:13:31 +0800

charlize — Mon, 05 May 2008 19:13:31 +0800

We must increase minister salaries by another million or two so that they can ensure dangerous people won't escape through toilet windows at the detention centre.

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by storywolf @ Mon, 05 May 2008 16:45:29 +0800

storywolf — Mon, 05 May 2008 16:45:29 +0800

Raising wages may be an enticing option but that is not the right solution, said Acting Manpower Minister Gan Kim Yong.

Yep when they raise their bloody MP salaries !!! How come he did not stand up and say that statement !!!

Crab !!! Of course it is not a option - raise already - still let a limping terrorist got away !!!

Fire the whole lot !!!!

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by HyperFocal @ Mon, 05 May 2008 16:33:02 +0800

HyperFocal — Mon, 05 May 2008 16:33:02 +0800

... it seems the logic is that all costs in services & goods can increase, but wages must be decreased to remain 'competitive'... this is to keep the cost of labour low in SG so that foreign investors will stay...

... if you look at the above reasoning, do you see a contradiction?

... I mean, of course if we are paid more then obviously services & goods will increase as well...

... but as it is now, with low wages of foreign talents and locals who fights to remain employed, are services & goods any cheaper? ... no.

... so, where's the solution? where's the logic?

... obviously, the positive effects are better received and experienced by the rich and of course the boys in white who lives in their Ivory Towers...

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by alwaysdisturbed @ Mon, 05 May 2008 15:24:25 +0800

alwaysdisturbed — Mon, 05 May 2008 15:24:25 +0800

Originally posted by t_a_s:

rising wage to address rising cost is not a solution, so what is the right solution ? cut wages ? increase ministerial pay this Oct 08, can it solve rising cost ?

increase the pay and later tell everyone that the increase is going to be donated to charities.

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by t_a_s @ Mon, 05 May 2008 14:50:25 +0800

t_a_s — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:50:25 +0800

rising wage to address rising cost is not a solution, so what is the right solution ? cut wages ? increase ministerial pay this Oct 08, can it solve rising cost ?

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by Genie99a @ Mon, 05 May 2008 14:28:34 +0800

Genie99a — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:28:34 +0800

I think that increasing buying power is a right solution for the lower caste.

They aren't lazy, they hold a job.... I'd think its unfair that they can't make ends meet despite working (throughout) their lives.

Raising wages to address rising costs not a right solution replied by ChiBet @ Mon, 05 May 2008 11:43:47 +0800

ChiBet — Mon, 05 May 2008 11:43:47 +0800

Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:

I never said NO control.

I said the govt does not manipulate the market. State-owned stuff does not equate to manipulating market, not directly in the sense.

When you have control, even partial control, market manipulation occurs.

Take one example, when only Singtel is allowed to supply internet access services to business, they charge $400-500/mth for unlimited access plan but once Starhub is also authorize to do so, Singtel slash their prices to $99/mth. This means Singtel is still able to turn a profit at 80% price reduction (amid rising inflation)

where did all that profit got? the stock holders (government) then in to the pockets of ministers as their 'salary'

not raising wages means more profit from companies under government control so again translate to more money for minister's 'salary'

If you do enough research, you will realised that private companies pay better than government link companies. It is only those working for the GLCs that really need the pay raise but in doing so would affect the minister's salary hence the announcement.

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