Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by FireIce @ Thu, 01 May 2008 13:33:29 +0800

FireIce — Thu, 01 May 2008 13:33:29 +0800

too many existing threads!

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by drawer @ Thu, 01 May 2008 13:21:19 +0800

drawer — Thu, 01 May 2008 13:21:19 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

I am not against PRC Chinese. Simply because if there are more PRC people means that LKY and PAP comrades is going to face the music and take orders directly from the Chinese Communist Party. I wonder when LKY does retire from local politics at the age of 100, will CCP give Comrade LKY his PRC passport and hire him as a consultant.

LOL,hey u know that time,LKY even says that PRC Chinese are smarter than Singaporeans.I think this fuking old man brain is rotten already.

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by balance_else_complacent @ Thu, 01 May 2008 12:24:02 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Thu, 01 May 2008 12:24:02 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

Hehe

Of course that was rubbish from incumbent. That's my point.

u appear to have penetrated well.

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by eagle @ Thu, 01 May 2008 12:13:46 +0800

eagle — Thu, 01 May 2008 12:13:46 +0800

Originally posted by Atobe:

I am sure that you do not seriously believe all that is said by the PAP ?

Do you know that in highly overtaxed Sweden, the Swedish population is seeing an increase in the number of new births - and has been the case for a very long time ?

This fact is too embarrassing to be told by the Singapore Ruling Political Party, who prefer to generalise and make inconsequential comparisons with other countries so as to justify the relevance of their preferred positions on so many other local social issues.

This is done to avoid responding to the cries from many Singaporean families for social support even as this Singapore Government take more from Singaporeans than the Swedish Government taxes on the Swedes.

Try the following articles:-

Sweden is blessed with execellent population statistics for the last 250 years http://www.zenker.se/Surprise/fertility.shtml .

Sweden - the Population increase continue http://www.scb.se/templates/pressinfo____202058.asp

Can Government support population growth ? - The Swedish Experience http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fullstory.php/aid/563/Can_governments_influence_population_growth_.html

Hehe

Of course that was rubbish from incumbent. That's my point.

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by HyperFocal @ Thu, 01 May 2008 12:08:38 +0800

HyperFocal — Thu, 01 May 2008 12:08:38 +0800

... rocking solid as ever, Atobe..

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Atobe @ Thu, 01 May 2008 12:03:46 +0800

Atobe — Thu, 01 May 2008 12:03:46 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

PAP also tells us that declining birth rate is a trend that developed countries faced

I am sure that you do not seriously believe all that is said by the PAP ?

Do you know that in highly overtaxed Sweden, the Swedish population is seeing an increase in the number of new births - and has been the case for a very long time ?

This fact is too embarrassing to be told by the Singapore Ruling Political Party, who prefer to generalise and make inconsequential comparisons with other countries so as to justify the relevance of their preferred positions on so many other local social issues.

This is done to avoid responding to the cries from many Singaporean families for social support even as this Singapore Government take more from Singaporeans than the Swedish Government taxes on the Swedes.

Try the following articles:-

Sweden is blessed with execellent population statistics for the last 250 years http://www.zenker.se/Surprise/fertility.shtml .

Sweden - the Population increase continue http://www.scb.se/templates/pressinfo____202058.asp

Can Government support population growth ? - The Swedish Experience http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fullstory.php/aid/563/Can_governments_influence_population_growth_.html

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Atobe @ Thu, 01 May 2008 11:48:06 +0800

Atobe — Thu, 01 May 2008 11:48:06 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

" making love-it is always easier the second time! The first time there may be pangs of conscience, a sense of guilt."

I never could understand this bit. The first time LKY make love have a sense of guilt meh?

The guilt came about as the fact that he married someone older then him - probably against parental objections.

That thought must have entered his mind, as he entered ''forbidden space'' for the first time in both their lives.

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Atobe @ Thu, 01 May 2008 11:45:35 +0800

Atobe — Thu, 01 May 2008 11:45:35 +0800

Originally posted by oxford mushroom:

haha...Atobe fears the competition from foreigners. Be afraid, be very afraid....you might just go the way of the dodo.

Amazing reading ability from a 'mushroom' - which word in my paragraph which you quoted, had given you the idea that ''Atobe fears the competition from foreigners'' ?

Yes, since you have brought it up, you should ''be afraid, be very afraid'' - as the dodo was crowded out of their living space on the natural home of the dodo in the Mauritius, by the human population that flowed over from the African continent.

Similarly, the Indian and Pakistani migrants have been settling down in UK, to such an extent that the social color of UK has turned from white to chocolate, with the fresh English country air jarred by the acrid smell of curries and garlic.

At least, the British has the political and social space to raise their voices and have them truly heard and represented in Parliament.

Does Singaporeans have that same space under the rule of the Power of One, that replaced Colonial Rule with Autocratic Rule ?

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by reyes @ Thu, 01 May 2008 10:49:06 +0800

reyes — Thu, 01 May 2008 10:49:06 +0800

What can you say about a WWII Jap collabrator, turned socialist, turned anti communist, turned state capitalist apart for the fact he is the ultimate survivor and political chameleon with no morals whatsever.

well said. this is what i think of him as well.

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by eagle @ Thu, 01 May 2008 10:35:57 +0800

eagle — Thu, 01 May 2008 10:35:57 +0800

Originally posted by Atobe:

It is not only the PRC nationals that are raising the head count, but also the Caucasians from Europe, UK and some from down south; as well as the different ethnic groups from within ASEAN - especially the Chinese from Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand, and some Myanmese and Filippino nationals - all with tertiary education.

Singaporeans are marrying later, and not producing enough to impact the population replacement count - when two married persons will only produce only one or maximum two babies, and some may not even produce any.

According to the thinking of the Ruling Political Party, this can affect the long term strategic position of Singapore - in terms of available manpower for the economy, defense and the availability of talents when the social environment will only produce one talent from a pool of ten thousand or perhaps a hundred thousand.

Should we not hold the Ruling Political Party responsible in creating this environment that lead the Singaporeans into a situation that discourage early marriage, or when married to have babies later, and not producing enough babies to maintain or even increase the population growth ?

Should we not hold the Ruling Political Party responsible for the supposed lack of talent, when they will not allow an environment for talents to grow, where different ideas will flourish, where mavericks can survive and thrive, where the standard thinking will not stifle new thinking ?

Afterall, it was the eloquent speeches from the original thinking of the great MM LKY that inspired Singaporeans that energised a political environment that allowed him to exist:

After more then 50 years of continuous Government by a single Political Party influenced by the POWER of ONE - has the political, social and cultural environment improved from those days under Colonial Rule by the British and replaced by the Malaysian Federal Government ?

PAP also tells us that declining birth rate is a trend that developed countries faced

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Fastnet0522 @ Thu, 01 May 2008 10:20:27 +0800

Fastnet0522 — Thu, 01 May 2008 10:20:27 +0800

how you can said like that ...

l think more chinese nice then more indian or malay ...

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Thu, 01 May 2008 09:10:46 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Thu, 01 May 2008 09:10:46 +0800

" making love-it is always easier the second time! The first time there may be pangs of conscience, a sense of guilt."

I never could understand this bit. The first time LKY make love have a sense of guilt meh?

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Thu, 01 May 2008 08:25:43 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Thu, 01 May 2008 08:25:43 +0800

PAP propogandists got no competition from FT like a certain Indon meh?

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by oxford mushroom @ Thu, 01 May 2008 08:23:11 +0800

oxford mushroom — Thu, 01 May 2008 08:23:11 +0800

Originally posted by Atobe:

It is not only the PRC nationals that are raising the head count, but also the Caucasians from Europe, UK and some from down south; as well as the different ethnic groups from within ASEAN - especially the Chinese from Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand, and some Myanmese and Filippino nationals - all with tertiary education.

haha...Atobe fears the competition from foreigners. Be afraid, be very afraid....you might just go the way of the dodo.

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Thu, 01 May 2008 08:17:42 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Thu, 01 May 2008 08:17:42 +0800

"Afterall, it was the eloquent speeches from the original thinking of the great MM LKY that inspired Singaporeans that energised a political environment that allowed him to exist:"

With regards to his "original" thinking, it was the American political thinkers I believe he read which he had applied to his speeches. Democracy is the cry used by EVERY opposition party used to negate the incumbent's political advantages (for eg. Fidel Castro) - it is only when people are in power, their true colours will show.

What can you say about a WWII Jap collabrator, turned socialist, turned anti communist, turned state capitalist apart for the fact he is the ultimate survivor and political chameleon with no morals whatsever.

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by HyperFocal @ Thu, 01 May 2008 06:36:04 +0800

HyperFocal — Thu, 01 May 2008 06:36:04 +0800

... Christ's Sake, we're DEGRESSING, rotting inside out under their God Damned ruling!!!

... worse of all, the FAP is blind to their own flaws and faultrs, consistently ABSOLVING themselves of ANY responsibilities!!

... we should rid ourselves of this parasitic regime in the next coming GE!

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Atobe @ Thu, 01 May 2008 05:36:02 +0800

Atobe — Thu, 01 May 2008 05:36:02 +0800

It is not only the PRC nationals that are raising the head count, but also the Caucasians from Europe, UK and some from down south; as well as the different ethnic groups from within ASEAN - especially the Chinese from Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand, and some Myanmese and Filippino nationals - all with tertiary education.

Singaporeans are marrying later, and not producing enough to impact the population replacement count - when two married persons will only produce only one or maximum two babies, and some may not even produce any.

According to the thinking of the Ruling Political Party, this can affect the long term strategic position of Singapore - in terms of available manpower for the economy, defense and the availability of talents when the social environment will only produce one talent from a pool of ten thousand or perhaps a hundred thousand.

Should we not hold the Ruling Political Party responsible in creating this environment that lead the Singaporeans into a situation that discourage early marriage, or when married to have babies later, and not producing enough babies to maintain or even increase the population growth ?

Should we not hold the Ruling Political Party responsible for the supposed lack of talent, when they will not allow an environment for talents to grow, where different ideas will flourish, where mavericks can survive and thrive, where the standard thinking will not stifle new thinking ?

Afterall, it was the eloquent speeches from the original thinking of the great MM LKY that inspired Singaporeans that energised a political environment that allowed him to exist:

"If we are to survive as a free democracy, then we must be prepared, in principle, to concede to our enemies - even those who do not subscribe to our views - as much(sic)constitutional rights as you concede yourself." - Lee Kuan Yew Legislative Assembly Debates Sept 21, 1955

"But we either believe in democracy or we not. If we do, then, we must say categorically, without qualification, that no restraint from the any democratic processes, other than by the ordinary law of the land, should be allowed... If you believe in democracy, you must believe in it unconditionally. If you believe that men should be free, then, they should have the right of free association, of free speech, of free publication. Then, no law should permit those democratic processes to be set at nought, and no excuse, whether of security, should allow a government to be deterred from doing what it knows to right, and what it must know to be right... "- Lee Kuan Yew, Legislative Assembly Debates April 27, 1955

"Let us get down to fundamentals. Is this an open, or is this a closed society? Is it a society where men can preach ideas - novel, unorthodox, heresies, to established churches and established governments - where there is a constant contest for men's hearts and minds on the basis of what is right, of what is just, of what is in the national interests, or is it a closed society where the mass media - the newspapaers, the journals, publications, TV, radio - either bound by sound or by sight, or both sound and sight, men's minds are fed with a constant drone of sycophantic support for a particular orthodox political philosophy? That is the first question we asked ourselves. I would like to see minds stimulated and debate provoked, and truth refined and crystallized out of the conflict of different evidence and views. I, therefore, welcome every and any opportunity of a chance to agree, or to dissent, in order that out of thesis comes synthesis - thesis, anti-major premise, anti-premise, synthesis, so we progress... I welcome every opportunity to meet members of the opposition, and so do members of my party, over the radio, over the television, university forums, public rallies. We never run away from the open encounter. If your ideas, your views cannot stand the challenge of criticism then they are too fragile and not sturdy enough to last. I am talking of the principle of the open society, the open debate, ideas, not intimidation, persuasion not coercion... Sir, the basic fundamentals we asked ourselves...is whether the duties of the Minister of Information and Broadcasting are to produce closed minds or open minds, because these instruments - the mass media, the TV, the radio - can produce either the open minds receptive to ideas and ideals, a democratic system of life, or closed and limited. But I know that the open debate is a painful process for closed minds...But let me make this point: that 5 million adult minds in Malaysia cannot be closed - definitely not in the lifetime of the people in authority. It is not possible because whatever the faults of the colonial system, and there are many...they generated the open mind, the inquiring mind." - Lee Kuan Yew Dec 18, 1964 Malaysian Parliamentary Debates

" Repression, Sir is a habit that grows. I am told it is like making love-it is always easier the second time! The first time there may be pangs of conscience, a sense of guilt. But once embarked on this course with constant repetition you get more and more brazen in the attack. All you have to do is to dissolve organizations and societies and banish and detain the key political workers in these societies. Then miraculously everything is tranquil on the surface. Then an intimidated press and the government-controlled radio together can regularly sing your praises, and slowly and steadily the people are made to forget the evil things that have already been done, or if these things are referred to again they're conveniently distorted and distorted with impunity, because there will be no opposition to contradict." -Lee Kuan Yew as an opposition PAP member during 1956 speaking to David Marshall

After more then 50 years of continuous Government by a single Political Party influenced by the POWER of ONE - has the political, social and cultural environment improved from those days under Colonial Rule by the British and replaced by the Malaysian Federal Government ?

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Fatum @ Thu, 01 May 2008 04:42:42 +0800

Fatum — Thu, 01 May 2008 04:42:42 +0800

Originally posted by Cheowyonglee:

I know i should not create a hate between us and the PRC Chinese.But, really i can't stop thinking that our own country are full of them here.Especially those ah beng China PRC guys, and ah Lian PRC girls.So many of them roaming around in Singapore now.I thought i am in China instead of Singapore.

Honestly speaking, i dont have any good impression of those China PRC guys, they stare at you, talk so loud and rough, and if they are in a group, better don't disturb them cause they behave like gangster when they are in a group.Not all but most.This is what i saw and i just let it out here in this forum.Anyone agree with me, we must do a control on the input of China PRC into Singapore now! I had to say, control doesnt mean stop them from coming here.I mean control the amount of them getting our jobs.Or to say, control on the quality of the China PRC getting PR.Only good and well behave PRC will get the PR.I am afraid if we did not do a control on the quality of those coming here, Singapore will be flooded by those gangster PRC China people!!!

Look at how gangster China PRC are.Not all but most!!!

Look at how gangster China PRC are.Not all but most!!!

but they are just making friends all around the world, no ? ....

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Arapahoe @ Thu, 01 May 2008 04:39:29 +0800

Arapahoe — Thu, 01 May 2008 04:39:29 +0800

if it is only ah lian and beng it is only superficial. I am only concern that the majority will alter public opinion to change local politics.

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:40:39 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:40:39 +0800

I am not against PRC Chinese. Simply because if there are more PRC people means that LKY and PAP comrades is going to face the music and take orders directly from the Chinese Communist Party. I wonder when LKY does retire from local politics at the age of 100, will CCP give Comrade LKY his PRC passport and hire him as a consultant.

Too many Chinese PRC in Singapore! replied by Cheowyonglee @ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:58:10 +0800

Cheowyonglee — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:58:10 +0800

I know i should not create a hate between us and the PRC Chinese.But, really i can't stop thinking that our own country are full of them here.Especially those ah beng China PRC guys, and ah Lian PRC girls.So many of them roaming around in Singapore now.I thought i am in China instead of Singapore.

Honestly speaking, i dont have any good impression of those China PRC guys, they stare at you, talk so loud and rough, and if they are in a group, better don't disturb them cause they behave like gangster when they are in a group.Not all but most.This is what i saw and i just let it out here in this forum.Anyone agree with me, we must do a control on the input of China PRC into Singapore now! I had to say, control doesnt mean stop them from coming here.I mean control the amount of them getting our jobs.Or to say, control on the quality of the China PRC getting PR.Only good and well behave PRC will get the PR.I am afraid if we did not do a control on the quality of those coming here, Singapore will be flooded by those gangster PRC China people!!!