Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by redDUST @ Sun, 04 May 2008 20:16:38 +0800

redDUST — Sun, 04 May 2008 20:16:38 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

"Singapore's must ranked as one of the very best in terms of rewarding its elite athletes."

Non commercial you mean. "Elite athletes" lol. More importantly other countries dont import as MANY as Singapore.

"Mew Choo is not all conquering. She lacked consistency at the world level. The Chinese are still too strong for her."

True but what she had done is truly amazing in 2007. Can you imagine going to China (home crowd advantage) and beating ALL three of their best players (which also be the worlds' top 3)?

To me, it would be like Singapore Football Team go to England and beat Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal. Unprecedented and nearly impossible. But SHE did it. Its a WORLD class great accomplishment even if it is for 1 tournament.

Nicol David is more consistent - shes been WORLD number one for some time now (with a break in between).

I am sorry if I am not politically correct, but I dont consider bowling and snooker "sports". (Something that requires cardiovascular effort is my defintion of a sport)

when i say elite, i am referring to athletes that tops the standing in his/her respective sports in singapore; like ronald susilo in badminton, li jiawei in table tennis and aide iskandar in soccer (ok, he's retired). these are people who are on top of their game and is well paid. today, amateurism is a thing of the past. you need to compensate and reward the sportsmen for performance.

i am not sure if singapore has the most local:foreigner ratio in the team make-up. i don't keep tab nor am i be bothered to. if you think so, you need to back it up with your claim.

your definition of sports is too narrow. you need to look at it in a wider context so your argument is valid. you cannot pick and choose the sports and then define it in your context to put forth your point. singapore indeed excelled in bowling and sailing (not snooker) internationally, helmed mainly by locally bred singaporean. do one not need fitness, skills, temperament and strength to excel in these sports? it is all relative. because singapore, like others in the region, do not have the genetic make-up to excel in sports that thrive on size and strength like 100m sprint, basketball, etc., it needs to be smart of what sports singapore(countries in the region) can excel in.

you also need to give valid and probable e.g. singapore cannot go to england and beat chelsea in a sanctioned tournament. singapore can beat england.

nicol david is a bonafide #1. i agree. i saw her play in singapore last year and she's just awesome.

i also agree that past singapore heroes like howe liang, c kunalan (mr k) and ang peng siong were overlooked. especially our only olympic medalist. if i were the sports minister, i will have howe liang on the singapore payroll for life. not with a ton of money but enough for him to live a respectable live. i have seen him in the past manning the gym in national stadium, earning his keeps. i think ssc ought to be ashame of itself for allowing that to happen to one of our national living treasures.

i support your points. i think the sports council is too generous with its monies to `lure' FTs into the sports fraternity. i prefer home grown anytime.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by lotus999 @ Sun, 04 May 2008 18:29:12 +0800

lotus999 — Sun, 04 May 2008 18:29:12 +0800

what i find more disturbing is that while they heap ft with lots of money and attention they seem reluctant to acknowledge our only home grown olympic silver winner, tan how liang. it was macdonald that acknowledged his efforts by sponsoring his trip to the olympic games in sydney some time back.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Sun, 04 May 2008 17:56:21 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Sun, 04 May 2008 17:56:21 +0800

"Singapore's must ranked as one of the very best in terms of rewarding its elite athletes."

Non commercial you mean. "Elite athletes" lol. More importantly other countries dont import as MANY as Singapore.

"Mew Choo is not all conquering. She lacked consistency at the world level. The Chinese are still too strong for her."

True but what she had done is truly amazing in 2007. Can you imagine going to China (home crowd advantage) and beating ALL three of their best players (which also be the worlds' top 3)?

To me, it would be like Singapore Football Team go to England and beat Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal. Unprecedented and nearly impossible. But SHE did it. Its a WORLD class great accomplishment even if it is for 1 tournament.

Nicol David is more consistent - shes been WORLD number one for some time now (with a break in between).

I am sorry if I am not politically correct, but I dont consider bowling and snooker "sports". (Something that requires cardiovascular effort is my defintion of a sport)

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by redDUST @ Sun, 04 May 2008 17:17:12 +0800

redDUST — Sun, 04 May 2008 17:17:12 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

Hey Wong Mew Choo beat all China's top 3 IN China ok, so buy top 3 does mean will sure win. If thats not overcoming the odds, I dont know what is.

Mew Choo is not all conquering. She lacked consistency at the world level. The Chinese are still too strong for her.

However, being born and groomed in Malaysia, I think she's pretty darn good.

FT sportsmen is not all that bad. Malaysia also took in some China athletes, but because the money is not as attractive, they are not as good or prominant. Countries like US, France, etc. also have foreigner representing their countries like badminton and table tennis. However, they are not showered with monetary incentives. Singapore's must ranked as one of the very best in terms of rewarding its elite athletes.

Outside of sailing and bowling, Singapore is over-represented by these so-called FTs. In football, at least half of the 1st 11 is not Singaporean. It is no wonder I don't even watch the national team play on telly, let alone troop down to the stadium. Just like everything else, Singapore tries to buy success, even in sports when LKY effectively killed the Singapore sports soul in the 70's by overemphasizing the `sports for all' culture instead of `sports excellence'. Is it any wonder that Singapore is now trying to catch up of lost grounds since there is economic benefits to be gained?

You just have to looked at the athletes who left after they have either proven to be successful or otherwise. The much louded brazilian, egmar gonzales, ripped up his singapore passport after his used by dates nears. he realized he cannot milk anymore monies in singapore after his playing days. he's now happily settled back home. for the rest who are less successful, like the much publicised discuss thrower fiasco, those left after they are proven to be dud. the jury is still out there for people like li jiawei. i won't bet against her returning to china with her $millions when she retires. there's nothing in it for her. shanghai is a better shopping paradize to suit her insatiable habit to shop.

the singapore methods of using money to buy success in sports overwhelmingly cast long shadows over whether these foreign sportsmen do it for the country or for their own pockets.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by 333225520 @ Sun, 04 May 2008 16:22:28 +0800

333225520 — Sun, 04 May 2008 16:22:28 +0800

Then buy ALL the athletes, so the other countries can only get "new bird" to compete. Like that, sure win.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Sun, 04 May 2008 16:00:41 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Sun, 04 May 2008 16:00:41 +0800

Hey Wong Mew Choo beat all China's top 3 IN China ok, so buy top 3 does mean will sure win. If thats not overcoming the odds, I dont know what is.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by 333225520 @ Sun, 04 May 2008 15:52:13 +0800

333225520 — Sun, 04 May 2008 15:52:13 +0800

To be on the safe side, "buy" the runner-up and 2nd runner-up too.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by 333225520 @ Sun, 04 May 2008 15:51:21 +0800

333225520 — Sun, 04 May 2008 15:51:21 +0800

very simple, just "buy" all the champions to represent Singapore and we will definitely win.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by tripwire @ Sun, 04 May 2008 08:39:20 +0800

tripwire — Sun, 04 May 2008 08:39:20 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

No problem with the FT (SIA Malaysian CEO) that made such contribution - but are they paid as handsomely as the jokers?

I would like to know what is the current SIA CEO etc Singapore FT CEOs are being paid...In fact if THEY (the FEW FT, out of the many, who made the billions) want to replace the jokers I have no problem either. At the very least, you have a track record in the (semi)private sector.

I am still fundamentally opposed to state capitalism though and majority of PAP's FT policy is as above-mentioned athletes...

Like I said I would rather offer at least the Minister of Sport's salary to Nicol Davids and Wong Mew Choo to be Singapore FT...

they are no buddha.... and dont even for one moment think that they would be just as capable in a different environment or line of work.

SIA success aint just because of him alone... but the thoudsands of dedicated workers serving under him...

a general/leader is only as good as the troops that serves him.....

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by tripwire @ Sun, 04 May 2008 08:36:14 +0800

tripwire — Sun, 04 May 2008 08:36:14 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

Problem is THEY didnt "earned a few more billions" and in some cases lose money. It was the foreign thinktanks/CEOS etc that did that for them.

there are NO sure win formulae and sure make money method in this world...

any donkey brain who believe there is... must be brain dead.....

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by tripwire @ Sun, 04 May 2008 08:33:56 +0800

tripwire — Sun, 04 May 2008 08:33:56 +0800

Originally posted by Cowbaycowboo:

remember...it's ok to steal or cheat a few millions provided u earned a few more billions....that's loyalty to your country *look at sky*

i really having a hard time understanding your ang mo... what do you mean its ok to steal as long as you make more in return?

its their salary.. if you dont like the billions they make.. you can kick them out and save your million dollar.... that would be equal to throwing out the baby with its bath water... aint that smart !

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by tripwire @ Sun, 04 May 2008 08:31:17 +0800

tripwire — Sun, 04 May 2008 08:31:17 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

Not if they dont do their jobs, shirk their responbilities, and bring in a bunch of foreigners masquerading as "Singaporeans" who are even MORE disloyal but pays lip service to these "leaders".

You love putting words into peoples mouths dont you dog?

dont be silly potato head...

you are just grumpy that you not among them... if you are... you would be no better then them... so stop riding on your moral high horse ass and get back down on earth and realise you are no more or less human as they are.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Sat, 03 May 2008 22:38:58 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Sat, 03 May 2008 22:38:58 +0800

No problem with the FT (SIA Malaysian CEO) that made such contribution - but are they paid as handsomely as the jokers?

I would like to know what is the current SIA CEO etc Singapore FT CEOs are being paid...In fact if THEY (the FEW FT, out of the many, who made the billions) want to replace the jokers I have no problem either. At the very least, you have a track record in the (semi)private sector.

I am still fundamentally opposed to state capitalism though and majority of PAP's FT policy is as above-mentioned athletes...

Like I said I would rather offer at least the Minister of Sport's salary to Nicol Davids and Wong Mew Choo to be Singapore FT...

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Cowbaycowboo @ Sat, 03 May 2008 21:06:37 +0800

Cowbaycowboo — Sat, 03 May 2008 21:06:37 +0800

exactly mah.....heads roll....FT heads that is so still got gd & bad

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:53:42 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:53:42 +0800

Problem is THEY didnt "earned a few more billions" and in some cases lose money. It was the foreign thinktanks/CEOS etc that did that for them.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Cowbaycowboo @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:49:29 +0800

Cowbaycowboo — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:49:29 +0800

remember...it's ok to steal or cheat a few millions provided u earned a few more billions....that's loyalty to your country *look at sky*

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by eagle @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:42:32 +0800

eagle — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:42:32 +0800

Can't help it...

This is Singapore's International Team

punt intended

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:41:49 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:41:49 +0800

Not if they dont do their jobs, shirk their responbilities, and bring in a bunch of foreigners masquerading as "Singaporeans" who are even MORE disloyal but pays lip service to these "leaders".

You love putting words into peoples mouths dont you dog?

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by tripwire @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:38:15 +0800

tripwire — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:38:15 +0800

Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:

"we do not welcome those who betray us.."

Like the PAP ministers with their high pays and dogs. I agree.

Too bad the WORLD class atheltes DONT want to be with Singapore. Why leh? Also the FT table Tennis Balek Kampung was welcome too with open arms. Did the government ban said FT from entering Singapore again to show their displeasure? Of course not.

how does high pay equal betrayal?

you need to have your warp brain checked... by your definition.. every leaders is a traitor... every rich man a criminal.. only you the most holy... dont make me puke.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:38:14 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:38:14 +0800

"we couldn't dream of getting their second-rate players even."

Actually would be THIRD or Fourth Team. But you dont import a whole lot of them for them NOT to win. Otherwise why bother? Can stick with the local team which I would be happy to support even if they dont win.

The logical thing that should be done instead was to woo the FT top Coaches instead...but what to do?

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:29:33 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:29:33 +0800

"we do not welcome those who betray us.."

Like the PAP ministers with their high pays and dogs. I agree.

Too bad the WORLD class atheltes DONT want to be with Singapore. Why leh? Also the FT table Tennis Balek Kampung was welcome too with open arms. Did the government ban said FT from entering Singapore again to show their displeasure? Of course not.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by tripwire @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:27:42 +0800

tripwire — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:27:42 +0800

holding the pink IC dont make you singaporeans... even if you are born on our soil.

only you and your heart knows if you are singaporean.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by tripwire @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:25:01 +0800

tripwire — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:25:01 +0800

its a free world... we are not north koreans...

we welcome those who want to be with us... even if they were born on the moon.

we do not welcome those who betray us.. even if they are born locally with a long lineage of local ancestry.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Arkansaw @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:24:03 +0800

Arkansaw — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:24:03 +0800

Because doing that will simply worsen the bilateral ties? If we have never carried China's balls to such extent, we couldn't dream of getting their second-rate players even.

Sg FT athletes vs Malaysia Local athletes replied by Uncle Ver SG @ Sat, 03 May 2008 20:17:20 +0800

Uncle Ver SG — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:17:20 +0800

Better still one of the FT Table Tennis Balek Kampung back to China.

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