A second class Singaporean replied by ANGMOKIO @ Sat, 10 May 2008 16:49:14 +0800

ANGMOKIO — Sat, 10 May 2008 16:49:14 +0800

fishbuff here...

why stay on and whine? emigrate and go to where yor skills are appreciated.

the old saying goes; "a prophet has no glory in his hometown."

i will spit on any PAP people if i see them.

A second class Singaporean replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 10 May 2008 14:26:17 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Sat, 10 May 2008 14:26:17 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

I copy this from another forum

"It was never the problem with FT, but problem with policy to help people stay employed."

bravo

A second class Singaporean replied by eagle @ Sat, 10 May 2008 14:06:11 +0800

eagle — Sat, 10 May 2008 14:06:11 +0800

I copy this from another forum

"It was never the problem with FT, but problem with policy to help people stay employed."

A second class Singaporean replied by rokkie @ Sat, 10 May 2008 13:21:21 +0800

rokkie — Sat, 10 May 2008 13:21:21 +0800

thx for compliment

A second class Singaporean replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 10 May 2008 10:02:50 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Sat, 10 May 2008 10:02:50 +0800

Originally posted by rokkie:

........

it's a globalized world ,FT is everywhere ,but the problem to what extent and quantity.After importing FT ,government should do sth, to put the conflict on table.Anyway some FT ,finally become S citizen.

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I know you are more enlightened than many.

Many just say, oh, FT ah, FT no choice wan lah. Its like that wan lah.

What to do?

Boh pian wan.

There is a world of difference between allowing FT who is of market value 2.5K to enter easily and controlling to allow real talents that will help poreans get more jobs and increase our skills by learning from them.

to lower costs, MNCs all hiring FTs for IT such that its common to see majority in IT are not citizens. IT skills are easy entry and not difficult to learn to do. 1 month course more than sufficient to get certified. Not like scientists who are talents and rare. That is true talent that will complement poreans and pore economy.

Many Job agents are FT firms. they supply their own. The employees bring their familty tree along. Easy to get long term stay and zenship.

There are many FT Job agents who setup their own FT job agencies getting poreans to be shipped abroad to do IT projects overseas like USA or europe. After they got your CV, your company name and department, they prepare to give this info to other agents or they themselves supply your company a replacement - you know who. More and more locals have disappeared. I see FTs dominate IT. Their skills are certainly not rocket science to be called a real Talent. Its a skill that can be learnt in a few weeks. Talents are geniuses. They generate their own IP.

I am not against welcoming true FTs who will complement the pore.

I hope with time , naive poreans will be close to extinction.

The pore is unlike large countries. Its tiny and so few people. Educating them should not take long.

I hope we help to educate people we know.

A second class Singaporean replied by I-like-flings(m) @ Fri, 09 May 2008 23:21:30 +0800

I-like-flings(m) — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:21:30 +0800

Originally posted by rokkie:

yes ,nothing comes for free.We can try ,but by wat?Confront ur foriegn boss,or go to strike or parade.Everyone knows that import too many FT will tighten the racial and social harmony,but will government listen the advice.

it's a globalized world ,FT is everywhere ,but the problem to what extent and quantity.After importing FT ,government should do sth, to put the conflict on table.Anyway some FT ,finally become S citizen.

I also like to hear some advicable suppestion from u for the "try" stuff.

Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

that is why i am working for a singaporean owned company in a foreign country... not going for my ICT and stepping on all the foreigners.... china man and ang moh... song bo? v

A second class Singaporean replied by eagle @ Fri, 09 May 2008 23:14:37 +0800

eagle — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:14:37 +0800

Originally posted by rokkie:

yes ,nothing comes for free.We can try ,but by wat?Confront ur foriegn boss,or go to strike or parade.Everyone knows that import too many FT will tighten the racial and social harmony,but will government listen the advice.

it's a globalized world ,FT is everywhere ,but the problem to what extent and quantity.After importing FT ,government should do sth, to put the conflict on table.Anyway some FT ,finally become S citizen.

I also like to hear some advicable suppestion from u for the "try" stuff.

I have no obligations to give any suggestions to you; it is your life.

Pls, just continue to take it that "u can do nothing more about it,piss it or accept it" since you are so insistent. PAP will be very happy with you.

A second class Singaporean replied by rokkie @ Fri, 09 May 2008 15:14:37 +0800

rokkie — Fri, 09 May 2008 15:14:37 +0800

yes ,nothing comes for free.We can try ,but by wat?Confront ur foriegn boss,or go to strike or parade.Everyone knows that import too many FT will tighten the racial and social harmony,but will government listen the advice.

it's a globalized world ,FT is everywhere ,but the problem to what extent and quantity.After importing FT ,government should do sth, to put the conflict on table.Anyway some FT ,finally become S citizen.

I also like to hear some advicable suppestion from u for the "try" stuff.

A second class Singaporean replied by eagle @ Thu, 08 May 2008 18:25:10 +0800

eagle — Thu, 08 May 2008 18:25:10 +0800

Originally posted by rokkie:

what i mean is either u do sth to change the situation,if u can do nothing ,just talk,so just accept it lah.

Not directed to anyone de hor... Just my viewpoint:

You can always do something about it. Just whether you succeed a not.

But before every success, one must always have tried. There might be lots of failures along the way, but must still try. Just like Thomas Edison... He didn't invent the light bulb trying only 1 material, or 2, or 10, or even 100 (he even tried using a strand of hair).

But by accepting that you can do nothing, and just talk and accept the situation, you are definitely not doing anything. The pre-requisite for success is thus not even fulfilled.

A second class Singaporean replied by rokkie @ Thu, 08 May 2008 17:26:21 +0800

rokkie — Thu, 08 May 2008 17:26:21 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

Yep, continue to accept this self-defeating and thus self-fulfilling prophecy mindset please.

I'm not going to, but you are definitely free to do so.

what i mean is either u do sth to change the situation,if u can do nothing ,just talk,so just accept it lah.

A second class Singaporean replied by charlize @ Thu, 08 May 2008 17:16:34 +0800

charlize — Thu, 08 May 2008 17:16:34 +0800

Hey, Singaporeans are a privileged lot.

They can get baby bonuses for having kids.

So next time, their kids can continue to contribute to CPF and if they are male, serve NS.

A second class Singaporean replied by ShitSandwich @ Thu, 08 May 2008 04:10:56 +0800

ShitSandwich — Thu, 08 May 2008 04:10:56 +0800

I love being a Singaporean as I enjoy the following benefits.

1) Get free GST credits/dividend packages and $$ packages worth a few hundred a year without the need to pay higher GST taxes etc.

2) A passport that allows free travel everywhere

3) Freedom of speech

And I don't have the following downside of being a Singaporean

1) No need to do reservist, which will cause you your job.

2) Don't contribute to CPF, where the money is locked away from you forever.

3) Pay exhorbitant prices for homes that last for 99 years

The solution is simple. Be a Singaporean, but don't live in Singapore. You will fully appreciate the benefits of being a Singaporean.

A second class Singaporean replied by balance_else_complacent @ Wed, 07 May 2008 22:26:34 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:26:34 +0800

Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

that is why i am working for a singaporean owned company in a foreign country... not going for my ICT and stepping on all the foreigners.... china man and ang moh... song bo? v

I am a porean who lives in the PORE AND AND!! WORKS in a FOREIGN COUNTRY as I deal with them everyday in my work. poreans are rare here.

so, I am also a FT.

A second class Singaporean replied by deathmaster @ Wed, 07 May 2008 22:25:05 +0800

deathmaster — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:25:05 +0800

immigrate to overseas, preferably an ang mo country, and give up your s'pore citizenship.

after that, come back to s'pore and package yourself as a FT.

A second class Singaporean replied by I-like-flings(m) @ Wed, 07 May 2008 22:23:37 +0800

I-like-flings(m) — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:23:37 +0800

that is why i am working for a singaporean owned company in a foreign country... not going for my ICT and stepping on all the foreigners.... china man and ang moh... song bo? v

A second class Singaporean replied by balance_else_complacent @ Wed, 07 May 2008 22:12:39 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:12:39 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

Yep, continue to accept this self-defeating and thus self-fulfilling prophecy mindset please.

I'm not going to, but you are definitely free to do so.

This time i can agree with eagle.

A second class Singaporean replied by eagle @ Wed, 07 May 2008 22:06:05 +0800

eagle — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:06:05 +0800

Originally posted by rokkie:

u can do nothing more about it,piss it or accept it

Yep, continue to accept this self-defeating and thus self-fulfilling prophecy mindset please.

I'm not going to, but you are definitely free to do so.

A second class Singaporean replied by Melbournite @ Wed, 07 May 2008 22:02:15 +0800

Melbournite — Wed, 07 May 2008 22:02:15 +0800

ok what happens is singapore losing out without worker's rights and laws in place.

Pretty ironic as what they wan to do is attract foreign investors but in the process mess it up in even more ways

A second class Singaporean replied by rokkie @ Wed, 07 May 2008 15:36:51 +0800

rokkie — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:36:51 +0800

Originally posted by Alucard101:

And you think all the foreigners who work under the locals have perfect life?

foriegner or local,who is at the bottom who sucks.

but Singaporean boss is more that foriegner boss .

A second class Singaporean replied by rokkie @ Wed, 07 May 2008 15:34:02 +0800

rokkie — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:34:02 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

great, keep this mindset and be continuously exploited

u can do nothing more about it,piss it or accept it

A second class Singaporean replied by sebosebo @ Wed, 07 May 2008 14:31:31 +0800

sebosebo — Wed, 07 May 2008 14:31:31 +0800

the bak kua company getting screwed by the chao ang moh...thats I Not Stupid.

A second class Singaporean replied by caleb_chiang @ Wed, 07 May 2008 12:35:14 +0800

caleb_chiang — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:35:14 +0800

Well... list down example of companies practicing that... cannot because of you then blacklist all MNC

A second class Singaporean replied by Alucard101 @ Wed, 07 May 2008 09:52:27 +0800

Alucard101 — Wed, 07 May 2008 09:52:27 +0800

And you think all the foreigners who work under the locals have perfect life?

A second class Singaporean replied by eagle @ Tue, 06 May 2008 22:37:25 +0800

eagle — Tue, 06 May 2008 22:37:25 +0800

Originally posted by rokkie:

most ppl are employee ,the boss are minority.To make u boss need talent ,hard work and some luck

great, keep this mindset and be continuously exploited

All the complains come because you are an employee.

I think I tweak the statement

All complains come as long as you have not achieved financial independence

A second class Singaporean replied by rokkie @ Tue, 06 May 2008 22:31:34 +0800

rokkie — Tue, 06 May 2008 22:31:34 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

All the complains come because you are an employee.

most ppl are employee ,the boss are minority.To make u boss need talent ,hard work and some luck

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