People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sun, 11 May 2008 21:55:36 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Sun, 11 May 2008 21:55:36 +0800

walkover due to lan jiao GRC system how?

PAP thought of everything.

They not stupid one.

http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2006/yax-615.htm

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Shotgun @ Sun, 11 May 2008 21:51:17 +0800

Shotgun — Sun, 11 May 2008 21:51:17 +0800

Then I say, put your money where your mouth is and vote for opposition parties! Its not impossible, look at the reduced margin PAP won by already.

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by redDUST @ Sun, 11 May 2008 21:41:01 +0800

redDUST — Sun, 11 May 2008 21:41:01 +0800

goes without saying, this is a uniquely singapore situation; dictatorship guised in a democracy.

`selective hearing' on opposing views are allowed. so, in many ways, you cannot accuse the government to be insensitive to the people's concern. try out-smart that!

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sun, 11 May 2008 21:30:08 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Sun, 11 May 2008 21:30:08 +0800

We need to get more opposing views into parliament.

But Lee Kuan Yew don't like.

How?

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by 00011000 @ Sun, 11 May 2008 21:20:19 +0800

00011000 — Sun, 11 May 2008 21:20:19 +0800

It is time for the collective will of the people of Singapore to initiate change.

Some asked, what if the opposition comes into power? Some asked, what if the PAP is weakened and therefore a weaker govt and a weaker external image? Some asked, what if more opposition leads to chao?

My answer is this - the political situation is bad and it will get worse and not better.

How to make it better? In the word of the almight PAP - 'competition'. We need to get more opposing views into parliament. Look at the number of snoring faces during parliament sittings. These snoring MPs made fool of the voters and the contituency which voted them into parliament. One of the main reasons why our political, social and economic climate is so pathetic is that complacency has set in.

We can't have the laughable NMP system where the NMP's job is just talkshop, without a gun pointing to his head for the words he uttered. We need to get back to the basic. We need a political climate where the voters hold the each and every politician accountable for his words and action. And we need lively and real debate with sparring of ideas and germination of solutions in parliament - not snoring.

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Swstephenmac @ Sun, 11 May 2008 08:58:54 +0800

Swstephenmac — Sun, 11 May 2008 08:58:54 +0800

A class action always sets precedence for future cases. Just read the news in international papers regarding how bank charges were reduced/ estoppel after class actions.

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by 333225520 @ Fri, 09 May 2008 06:51:14 +0800

333225520 — Fri, 09 May 2008 06:51:14 +0800

Originally posted by Shotgun:

Well, then engage a lawyer with the couple of hundred other people that kena this?

Look, if people aren't willing to band together and do something about this, and adopt the, "It doesn't concern me" or "$10 only suah suah kee" then next time dun kao beh abt the government charging you "$10 for administrative fee" when you pass the gantry.

Want to make noise, then dun wanna take action, wait for others to do it for them. Thats very typically singaporean isn't it?

So now instead of just engaging a lawyer, I will have to

somehow gather a couple of hundreds of other people having this problem and is willing to come forwards -> maybe pay a few hundreds/ thousands to put up advertisment/ notices in newspaper(s)?
convince them to share the cost of fighting the case in court -> take leave to hold meetings, maybe rent place big enough to contain hundreds of people
engage lawyer -> fork out more money, take leaves to discuss with lawyer on case
go court (which the proceeding may take months) -> take more leaves
other costs -> transport fee to meeting, lawyers, etc

And the returns for all these -> $10

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by HyperFocal @ Fri, 09 May 2008 06:45:01 +0800

HyperFocal — Fri, 09 May 2008 06:45:01 +0800

Originally posted by 333225520:

So why are we paying the MIW the superscale salary if they expect us to give them the solution?

... because they denied us our Constitutional Rights, and took us all for fools, with no voice & minds of our own...

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by 333225520 @ Fri, 09 May 2008 06:39:12 +0800

333225520 — Fri, 09 May 2008 06:39:12 +0800

Originally posted by Shotgun:

So tell me how you guys intend to tackle the problem of rising food costs thats happening globally?

How do you intend to fight inflation?

What schemes or plans do you have to combat rising energy costs? Oil is expected to hit $200 per barrel by 2010.

Even if all the MIW take a pay cut now, also won't solve much problems. Perhaps some geniuses (if any here please take the hint), should get attracted by the superscale salary and join PAP to figure out how to get us out of this mess.

So why are we paying the MIW the superscale salary if they expect us to give them the solution?

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Chunseah @ Fri, 09 May 2008 03:17:35 +0800

Chunseah — Fri, 09 May 2008 03:17:35 +0800

Last time, goverment ask poeple to think, what did you do for singapore. (And we start to sacrifice our paycheck and continue support PAP to help singapore from getting over the hard time)

Now, we should ask government. what did you do for us. ( Not more idiot FT, not more ERP, not more GST or ...)

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by reyes @ Fri, 09 May 2008 02:12:51 +0800

reyes — Fri, 09 May 2008 02:12:51 +0800

So tell me how you guys intend to tackle the problem of rising food costs thats happening globally?

How do you intend to fight inflation?

What schemes or plans do you have to combat rising energy costs? Oil is expected to hit $200 per barrel by 2010.

Even if all the MIW take a pay cut now, also won't solve much problems. Perhaps some geniuses (if any here please take the hint), should get attracted by the superscale salary and join PAP to figure out how to get us out of this mess.

like a typical PAP supporterwho blame others for not making suggestion but more than often failure to take suggestion / feedback from citizens.

here is my FOC suggestion.

1.get rid of GST taxes from all necessity items until prices resume normal. such as rice,cooking oil, sugar,salt, meat, flour and etc.

2.shelve the implementation of new ERP entry.

3. speed up the process of allowing CNG usage for private cars.

4. promote high tech agriculture that suit singapore. reduce dependency on foreign country.

5.promote extensive use of green energy. such as reduce tax for green cars such as hybrid cars to make it more affordable to public.

i had done my part FOC. but you have dont nothing but blame others for blaming govt!!

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Caitaokue @ Thu, 08 May 2008 17:01:50 +0800

Caitaokue — Thu, 08 May 2008 17:01:50 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

Same mah...

You work for a company, you do research and secured a patent. In the end, the patent belongs to the company, not you.

If you work for the company and the research is funded by the company, then the result is automatically credited to the company.

But when your team is going to score, you can pull the key persons out and register a new company and patent your works. Then the fruits is yours.

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by rokkie @ Thu, 08 May 2008 16:55:18 +0800

rokkie — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:55:18 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

Same mah...

You work for a company, you do research and secured a patent. In the end, the patent belongs to the company, not you.

but ur company pay u ,right?

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by eagle @ Thu, 08 May 2008 16:52:32 +0800

eagle — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:52:32 +0800

Same mah...

You work for a company, you do research and secured a patent. In the end, the patent belongs to the company, not you.

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Shotgun @ Thu, 08 May 2008 16:18:41 +0800

Shotgun — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:18:41 +0800

Originally posted by Spartans:

Engage a lawyer to fight a $10 fine!!?? Wow you are damn rich and free.

BTW such incident can happen frequently despite changing Cashcard and checking IU. How to deal with so many $10 fine?

Well, then engage a lawyer with the couple of hundred other people that kena this?

Look, if people aren't willing to band together and do something about this, and adopt the, "It doesn't concern me" or "$10 only suah suah kee" then next time dun kao beh abt the government charging you "$10 for administrative fee" when you pass the gantry.

Want to make noise, then dun wanna take action, wait for others to do it for them. Thats very typically singaporean isn't it?

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by SevenEleven @ Thu, 08 May 2008 13:56:14 +0800

SevenEleven — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:56:14 +0800

Originally posted by justcooler:

We pay millions for this, can we get a refund for this form of service

they are quick and ready to penalise the people but are free from accountability. Buses are quick and ready to fine those who underpay bus fare but offer no solution to overcharging commuters

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by justcooler @ Thu, 08 May 2008 13:41:59 +0800

justcooler — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:41:59 +0800

We pay millions for this, can we get a refund for this form of service

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by HyperFocal @ Thu, 08 May 2008 12:44:22 +0800

HyperFocal — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:44:22 +0800

... by the way, I think the title is wrong, because people do not make scarifices per se, but rather they are mostly FORCED to sarcifice a lot - it is called Bitter Pills...

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Spartans @ Thu, 08 May 2008 11:33:16 +0800

Spartans — Thu, 08 May 2008 11:33:16 +0800

Originally posted by Shotgun:

At the end of the day, the driver should not get penalized if the stupid gantries fail to deduct. And if the driver does get penalized, he should fight the case.

Its very simple, the driver's responsibility is to have a topped up cash card in the IU. If he gets fined for it, engage a lawyer and fight back. "Wtf am I supposed to do? Throw the car into reverse on the CTE just to make sure it goes BEEP?"

Engage a lawyer to fight a $10 fine!!?? Wow you are damn rich and free.

BTW such incident can happen frequently despite changing Cashcard and checking IU. How to deal with so many $10 fine?

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Shotgun @ Thu, 08 May 2008 10:53:12 +0800

Shotgun — Thu, 08 May 2008 10:53:12 +0800

Originally posted by SevenEleven:

Just read the ST today. LTA wants to be responsible but not accountable. Nets/Cash Card wants to be resposible but not accontable. Look at the fingers pointing out there.

LTA blames Cashcard for no deduction and the people bear the brunt $10/- fine.

Cashcard blames the IU unit faulty and people bear the brunt

IU department blame the gantry and the people bear the brunt

gantry department blame the software compatibility and the people bear the brunt

To this day, which responsible person comes out to hold responsibility and accountablity?

"What to do? It happened"

At the end of the day, the driver should not get penalized if the stupid gantries fail to deduct. And if the driver does get penalized, he should fight the case.

Its very simple, the driver's responsibility is to have a topped up cash card in the IU. If he gets fined for it, engage a lawyer and fight back. "Wtf am I supposed to do? Throw the car into reverse on the CTE just to make sure it goes BEEP?"

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by HyperFocal @ Thu, 08 May 2008 10:43:16 +0800

HyperFocal — Thu, 08 May 2008 10:43:16 +0800

... well, people get what they voted for...

... and we who did not get to vote, suffers the choice made by 66.6%...

... a government with ZERO accountability even in the face of COMPLACENCY...

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by SevenEleven @ Thu, 08 May 2008 10:33:32 +0800

SevenEleven — Thu, 08 May 2008 10:33:32 +0800

Just read the ST today. LTA wants to be responsible but not accountable. Nets/Cash Card wants to be resposible but not accontable. Look at the fingers pointing out there.

LTA blames Cashcard for no deduction and the people bear the brunt $10/- fine.

Cashcard blames the IU unit faulty and people bear the brunt

IU department blame the gantry and the people bear the brunt

gantry department blame the software compatibility and the people bear the brunt

To this day, which responsible person comes out to hold responsibility and accountablity?

"What to do? It happened"

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by robertteh @ Thu, 08 May 2008 10:02:46 +0800

robertteh — Thu, 08 May 2008 10:02:46 +0800

A copy of the above-stated Head Post was forwarded on 7.5.2008 to Policy Alternative Forum via YoungPaP (Mr. Patrick Tay) for discussions with General Branch non-card carrying members at future forum meetings.

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Caitaokue @ Thu, 08 May 2008 01:23:26 +0800

Caitaokue — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:23:26 +0800

The higher the oil price, the happier the government. Singapore is effectively an oil exporting country with the cheap oil contract signed in the past. There is no reason why the government should increase oil price in Singapore. We should get a subsidy instead.

With the SGD highly appreciated, the government will announce soon, look people, inflation is very low here. Stop complainting.

People make sacrifices but Gov continues to claim credit replied by Shotgun @ Thu, 08 May 2008 00:35:59 +0800

Shotgun — Thu, 08 May 2008 00:35:59 +0800

So tell me how you guys intend to tackle the problem of rising food costs thats happening globally?

How do you intend to fight inflation?

What schemes or plans do you have to combat rising energy costs? Oil is expected to hit $200 per barrel by 2010.

Even if all the MIW take a pay cut now, also won't solve much problems. Perhaps some geniuses (if any here please take the hint), should get attracted by the superscale salary and join PAP to figure out how to get us out of this mess.

The only thing that I feel bitter about is all that bullsh1t in the 198x about "Leading a Simple Life, be content." Remember this chinese song called, "Xiao ren wu de xin sheng?" I think that pretty much killed the sense of adventurism and ambition for a whole generation of Singaporeans. That generation turned out to be a bunch of, "I'm content with what I'm getting, so I'm just gonna vote for the same ol guys."

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