http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 en-US 60 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by snowfoxx:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>spot on, very good, but watch your back, you might be brought in for some coffee with 'them'</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Oh, do they serve latte?</p> <p>If we are always living in fear, when will we Singaporean going to standup for ourselves.&nbsp; Why do we need to succumb to fear that other people create to control our lives?</p> <p>The so-called rule enforcement if they merely execute what they are ordered to, without thinking, then they are no difference with run-dog.&nbsp; They are like the traitors of Chinese during the japanese occupation, after the jap left, some were stoned to death and their descendents continue to live lives of disgrace forever unable to lift up their heads because of what their forefathers did.&nbsp; Things will always come to an end, no matter how absolute the power is now.</p> <p>Life is short, if the memories of your life is something you are ashamed of, then you wasted your life and made your descendents ashame of theirs.&nbsp; If there is something you did in your life out of honour, then that honour shall live on after you are long gone.&nbsp; Whether the future generations spit on your tomb or take a minute to salute your tomb, is all your decision now.</p> <p>Chee Soon Juan is someone not only Singaporean should be proud of, but a celebration of true democracy and fighter of human rights in this era.&nbsp; UN ought to give him an award.&nbsp; He was a high ranking officer in law enforcement and he knew things were not right, and he stood up against the oppression and live by his principle.</p> <p>How many Singaporean here, truly support him in action.&nbsp; Most of us only support him morally at the back of our mind.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because we are scared to being called to drink coffee?</p> <p>How much better are we for speaking up and for not speaking up?</p> <p>You be the judge and please do not bring out these kind of statement anymore.&nbsp; Standup as one Singaporean.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Sun, 18 May 2008 15:08:44 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8094911 Caitaokue http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by snowfoxx:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>spot on, very good, but watch your back, you might be brought in for some coffee with 'them' you know dr chee soon juan?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> Fri, 16 May 2008 03:56:58 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8090050 snowfoxx http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Caitaokue:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Come to think of it, the way our country is ruled now is the same as Indonesia under Suharto's dictatorship.&nbsp; The latter use violence and brute force while the former uses&nbsp;oppressive laws and unreasonable.regulations.&nbsp; The end result is the same, centralization of national wealth to own family.</p> <p>That's not surprising, both are best friends.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>spot on, very good, but watch your back, you might be brought in for some coffee with 'them'</p> Fri, 16 May 2008 03:56:16 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8090048 snowfoxx http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>Come to think of it, the way our country is ruled now is the same as Indonesia under Suharto's dictatorship.&nbsp; The latter use violence and brute force while the former uses&nbsp;oppressive laws and unreasonable.regulations.&nbsp; The end result is the same, centralization of national wealth to own family.</p> <p>That's not surprising, both are best friends.</p> Fri, 16 May 2008 00:32:32 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8089698 Caitaokue http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by january:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Omg, the world is really sucky.... it needs a world leader.</p> <p>Alas, I think i have to be the ONE. Okay, i will try to solve the world's problem. BIt by bit by paper and pen and lots of thinking, when i have the free time.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> LOL, how can you ever have the free time if you are forever in January ?</p> <p>Will your solutions be outdated when the events evolved faster then you can even wake up to realise that you have to get out of your twilight zone ?</p> Thu, 15 May 2008 11:28:58 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8088035 Atobe http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>Omg, the world is really sucky.... it needs a world leader.</p> <p>Alas, I think i have to be the ONE. Okay, i will try to solve the world's problem. BIt by bit by paper and pen and lots of thinking, when i have the free time.</p> Thu, 15 May 2008 01:49:13 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8087509 january http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <blockquote> <p>Prabowa was <span style= "font-family: Arial,Helvetica; font-size: x-small;">the bastard who planned the 1998 riot and rapes of Chinese girls.</span></p> </blockquote> <p>What about Bush?</p> <p>He was the one who attacked Iraq.</p> <p><a href="http://antiwar.com/updates/" rel= "nofollow">http://antiwar.com/updates/</a></p> Wed, 14 May 2008 14:28:22 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8085588 Poh Ah Pak http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p><img src= "http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/155000/images/_157400_copy_of_suharto_son-in-law_gen_prabowo_subianto_ap_150_24-08-1998.jpg" height="180" alt="" width="150" /></p> <p><span style= "font-family: Arial,Helvetica; font-size: x-small;">This is ex-General Prabowo Subianto, son-in-law of Indonesia's former President Suharto.</span></p> <p>Prabowa was <span style= "font-family: Arial,Helvetica; font-size: x-small;">the bastard who planned the 1998 riot and rapes of Chinese girls. If he ever become President, I am very sure he will plan for the rape of Singapore girls. This guy is EVIL.</span></p> <p><span style= "font-family: Arial,Helvetica; font-size: x-small;">He is on the blacklist of US Immigration. I hope the US would put an International Warrant of Arrest against him for Crimes against Humanity. And I hope to see Singapore arrest him and hand him to the US. but I doubt if Singapore has the moral courage to do so.<br /></span></p> Wed, 14 May 2008 14:23:46 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8085575 Dr Who http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>If he becomes the next President then I can only shake my head and say "KNN Indonesia will forever never change one".That bugger got many&nbsp;powerful and dirty kakilang but he can dream on.</p> Wed, 14 May 2008 12:10:53 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8085256 Short Ninja http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Short Ninja:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>By the way the son-in-law is now a high ranking General in the Jordanian armed forces.....wierd isnt it?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> He kena posted to Indonesian armed forces command n staff college n shortly kena discharged by the court for his role in the riot. He went to Jordan n stay there.</p> <p>He is trying to vy for the presidency.</p> Wed, 14 May 2008 09:37:31 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8084896 will4 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>By the way the son-in-law is now a high ranking General in the Jordanian armed forces.....wierd isnt it?</p> Wed, 14 May 2008 07:02:20 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8084755 Short Ninja http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>Indonesia was at the verge of civil war at that time.&nbsp; I was told that tanks were aiming at each other below the monument of Jakarta.</p> <p>The marines were the only one helping the people, guarding housing complexes, etc.&nbsp; The whole country police, fire station, army (except the special forces that was the instigator and provocator) were on paid holidays.</p> <p>Nobody mentioned about the commander of kopassus, also the son in law.</p> <p>The Chinese or anyone in Indonesia is safe as long as they are not the target of political manipulations.&nbsp; After the May 13 riots, the theme was religion, which was why some Christains (Chinese or Indonesian) were beheaded and Churches were burnt in some parts of Indonesia.</p> <p>So the thing is not about Chinese, it's all dirty politics.&nbsp; It depends on what they want to target and sacrifice.</p> Wed, 14 May 2008 01:38:05 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8084651 Caitaokue http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Short Ninja:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>It was an isolated case where a few hundred ethnic Chinese were targeted for violence in some areas.You have to visit Indonesia today to see if the chinese there are living in fear of another attack.Like i said it was an isolated but a well planned attack involving the army.As Chinese we are all angry but it wasnt an act of ethnic cleansing just a dirty government doing it for political reasons.We dont just leave our homes,businesses and country just because some people of our&nbsp; race were attacked.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> It is a planned attack by element of the army to topple General Wiranto, the CDF but Wiranto is outside of Jakarta n he managed to</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>lead a group of marines from the navy to stabilize the situation.</p> Tue, 13 May 2008 18:48:23 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8083736 will4 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by ChiBet:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>My question is why the Indonesian Chinese choose to stay in Indonesia when they know the majority of Indonesians are againts them?</p> <p>Why do they still choose to stay in Indonesia when they know</p> <p>1 - obviously the government is anti-chinese as&nbsp;Indonesian Chinese&nbsp;are&nbsp;not allowed to use chinese name, practice chinese customs/beliefs</p> <p>2 - local Indonesians are a bunch of savages whose hobbies/national past-times are raping people, head hunting, stealing/robbing others, raping people, assaulting others with knives, parang, pieces of metal pipes, setting buildings/cars/flags/people on fire and oh did I mention raping people</p> <p>3 - local indonesians hate chinese indonesians.</p> <p>It is comparable to jewish people purposely going to live in NAZI germany</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>It was an isolated case where a few hundred ethnic Chinese were targeted for violence in some areas.You have to visit Indonesia today to see if the chinese there are living in fear of another attack.Like i said it was an isolated but a well planned attack involving the army.As Chinese we are all angry but it wasnt an act of ethnic cleansing just a dirty government doing it for political reasons.We dont just leave our homes,businesses and country just because some people of our&nbsp; race were attacked.</p> Tue, 13 May 2008 14:47:43 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8083258 Short Ninja http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p><strong>Despite anti-Semitism, Russia lures back Jews</strong></p> <p><a href= "http://www.reuters.com/article/inDepthNews/idUSL118299720080506" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/inDepthNews/</a></p> Tue, 13 May 2008 14:43:01 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8083248 Poh Ah Pak http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>My question is why the Indonesian Chinese choose to stay in Indonesia when they know the majority of Indonesians are againts them?</p> <p>Why do they still choose to stay in Indonesia when they know</p> <p>1 - obviously the government is anti-chinese as&nbsp;Indonesian Chinese&nbsp;are&nbsp;not allowed to use chinese name, practice chinese customs/beliefs</p> <p>2 - local Indonesians are a bunch of savages whose hobbies/national past-times are raping people, head hunting, stealing/robbing others, raping people, assaulting others with knives, parang, pieces of metal pipes, setting buildings/cars/flags/people on fire and oh did I mention raping people</p> <p>3 - local indonesians hate chinese indonesians.</p> <p>It is comparable to jewish people purposely going to live in NAZI germany</p> Tue, 13 May 2008 14:33:37 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8083230 ChiBet http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Dr Who:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><img src="http://library.thinkquest.org/26477/indon.jpg" height= "250" alt="" width="400" /></p> <p>Chniese people attacked by Indonesian mob 10 years ago</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Nevermind about the pictures but why are you so anti-Indonesia?</p> Tue, 13 May 2008 13:43:25 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8083085 Short Ninja http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>Saturday, October 10, 1998 Published at 13:56 GMT 14:56 UK</p> <h2>Indonesian rape counsellor murdered</h2> <p><img src= "http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/190000/images/_190632_Copy_of_coffin_of_martadinata_haryono_300.jpg" alt="" /><br /> <strong>Indonesian rape counsellor murdered</strong><br /> A young ethnic Chinese Indonesian woman who had been counselling women raped during rioting in May has been found murdered at her home in Jakarta.</p> <p>The body of Martadinata Haryono, 17, was found by her father on Friday night.</p> <p><br /> <img src= "http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/190000/images/_190632_Copy_of_protest_150.jpg" height="180" alt="[ image: width=150]" /></p> <p>She died of multiple stab wounds. A report in the Indonesian evening newspaper Suara Pembaruan said a police autopsy indicated she may also have been raped.</p> <p>Miss Haryono and her mother both worked for Volunteers for Humanity, one of several groups established to counsel ethnic Chinese victims of the May unrest.</p> <p><a href= "http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/asia-pacific/190632.stm" rel= "nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/asia-pacific/190632.stm</a></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Tue, 13 May 2008 11:36:28 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8082832 Dr Who http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p><img src="http://library.thinkquest.org/26477/indon.jpg" height= "250" alt="" width="400" /></p> <p>Chniese people attacked by Indonesian mob 10 years ago</p> Tue, 13 May 2008 11:27:47 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8082795 Dr Who http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>Today is may 13.</p> <p>See what happened 10 years ago in Jakarta :</p> <p><a href= "http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9805/14/indonesia/indonesia.looting.24.2.7.mov" rel= "nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9805/14/indonesia/indonesia.looting.24.2.7.mov</a></p> <p>24 sec Quicktime movie</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><a href= "http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9805/14/indonesia/link.jakarta.skyline.jpg" rel="nofollow">photo of rioters burning Chinese shops</a></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Tue, 13 May 2008 11:22:47 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8082777 Dr Who http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>Only naive people would believe blindly in TV news of any sort.</p> <p>I never trust TV medium for news.</p> <p>To me it is worthless.</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 20:45:58 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8081390 Poh Ah Pak http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>Yes, I always look for a cross reference from other news agencies. However, when it comes to political issues like racial conflicts, wars, coup d'etats, riots, protests, terrorism etc, most often they are all highly politicized. I have learned that I cannot rely solely on the mainstream western agencies for analysis. The event of Sep 19 Coup in Thailand and how these mainstream media misleadingly reported about Thailand to the world taught me so. <span style="color: #666699;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">You know what, in 2006 CNN got paid by a DC-based lobbyist firm hired by Thaksin, which is linked with many powerful US politicians, in order for him to air his lies around the world.&nbsp;</span></span></p> <p><span style="color: #666699;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">Also in April 2006, shortly before the coup, The Economist indirectly supported Thaksin by&nbsp; purposely omitting the fact that the general election was rigged, fradulent, and extremely undemocratic.</span></span></p> <p><span style="color: #666699;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">And I am not done yet. Remember the snow storm in China in Feb 2008? Business Week reported as if there would be another great uprising against Beijing for severe food shortage and their failure to provide disaster relief. Luckily I called a very good friend of mine who is a farmer from Anhui. He laughed and said no one was unhappy with the government because it was a natural disaster. He said although most farmers there are poor, they are very self-sufficient.</span></span></p> <p><span style="color: #666699;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">This raised the eyebrows of many Thais who used to be big fans of mainstream western news agencies, including me, that ..... we may have been watching soap opera, not news. They may report the truth but what their reporters interpret and insert seamlessly into their reporting or the extent or frequency of the report are another story. We had absorbed these 'interpreted (or twisted?)' reports day by day and registered them into our brain. Until something very critical happened to us directly, then we'd wake up to the truth.</span></span></p> <p>Sorry for going a bit off this topic.~~</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 20:26:02 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8081323 tai gok nang http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>that thailand incident is reported around the globe. zzzzz</p> <p>cross reference has been done.</p> <p>the incident is taken from a pretty neutral point...</p> <p>if its a chinese news or incident, then obviously taking information from chinese media would influence the news..... but thailand?&nbsp; i dun think so</p> <p>CNN and FOX, xinhua and the rest, no reason not to report the news from a neutral stance...... esp this kinda of news..... that do not involve their immediate interest or national concerns.........</p> <p>obviously you would look for other countries new agencies to cross reference....... i think in our age, we need to look for many sources of information and learn it from many different points of view</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 18:23:46 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8081137 snowfoxx http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>xinhua news agency is a propaganda mouthpiece of China.</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 18:19:08 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8081129 Poh Ah Pak http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002 <p>xinhua the chinese new agency also have aticles about them.. you can have a look.... i hope they are neutral in your sense</p> <p>photographs of burnt mosques and temples are also posted... photos cant lie bah......</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 18:15:18 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:317002:8081125 snowfoxx http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317002