Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by balance_else_complacent @ Tue, 20 May 2008 23:02:05 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Tue, 20 May 2008 23:02:05 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

......

Hi Point_blank,

what are you shooting?

Is that Gazelle ?

Are you OxfordyMushroomy?

No?

Maybe you are your own 'daddy!'?

I may be wrong. Maybe another nick.

Good try though. 21 posts only.

Yet you sound so old timer here.

u good good ah! yibah yibah untooonehneh!

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by Hello Kitty @ Tue, 20 May 2008 22:48:42 +0800

Hello Kitty — Tue, 20 May 2008 22:48:42 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

and?

liddat nia lah.

wat more u wan.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by redDUST @ Tue, 20 May 2008 15:58:35 +0800

redDUST — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:58:35 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

Politics is not for the faint hearted. Winning the election is but only the stepping stone to the world's stage, where the arena is more merciless. If opposition can't handle the election and scream for fairness, then our country will be worse off when they are elected and have to face the multi-polar world.

please just list 2 or 3 instances where `the arena is more merciless on the world stage'? what is it that Mah Bow Tan can do at the world stage that a similar man of reasonable intelligence of his calibre cannot? isn't it just the authority and power entrusted to him that enable him to perform those duties? and with experience and wisdom, that's where he gets better (& i am not referring to MBT)

i can sensed that you are well indoctrinated, playing by `instilling fear' and `casting doubts'. and little else.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by maurizio13 @ Tue, 20 May 2008 15:52:06 +0800

maurizio13 — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:52:06 +0800

Your meaning of objective is to agree with your views???

So if someone agrees with you, he is being objective???

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by redDUST @ Tue, 20 May 2008 15:51:29 +0800

redDUST — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:51:29 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

What are the instances that the opposition were 'clamped' down?

What are the instances of 'iron-clad' media control' you so claimed?

What 'sweeteners' are you insinuating?

The opposition had all the time in the world to prepare the ground. Media organisations espacially mainstream ones have a responsibility to report only on newsworthy items, which i sadly found none at opposition rallies.

Were opposition candidates denied opportunities to stage rallies, even if some of them are 'johnny-come-lately' types?

Fairness aside, should the ruling party, whom had worked immensely hard for years to create this country we lived, lend a hand to the opposition, who had done nothing but to cast aspersion and whom seek to topple them?

Politics is not for the faint hearted. Winning the election is but only the stepping stone to the world's stage, where the arena is more merciless. If opposition can't handle the election and scream for fairness, then our country will be worse off when they are elected and have to face the multi-polar world.

Please be more objective in your opinions and state the facts.

if you deny and could not even see the obvious, it then makes no sense for me to point those out to you. your eyes are bottle-capped already.

nobody is asking the ruling government to hand the power to the opposition on a platter. for you to suggest that is incredibly naive.

for a nation of 40 over years and still cannot trust the people to make the right judgement in choosing their leaders, singapore is heading towards a `political maturity vacuum' that will come to haunt it in time to come, some suggest sooner than later.

and the MIW work immensely hard for what? wealth hoarding within the inner circle or a fair share for every citizen?

your desription of the political process in singapore is akin to saying that because i am the defending champion of the 100m race, i am entitled to the best spikes and you, a challenger, can only wear rubber shoes.

if the PAP fears the opposition more than its own belief and capability of winning a (fair) fight, doesn't that tell you something about the quality of the PAP men?

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by Point_blank @ Tue, 20 May 2008 15:14:58 +0800

Point_blank — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:14:58 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

your counter is logical, but it is really the election preamble that is called into question. credible opposition clamped even before they can campaign, iron-clad media control that only pushes the government agenda and election manifesto and arguably `illegal' sweeteners put forth to sway the apolitical/elderly electorates are areas that are questionable.

had the government be more `open' to allow credible opposition to challenge the MIW in a more `level' playing field, the end state is that the country as a whole `move forward'. surely the MIW do not have ALL the answers. if the MIW touts itself as having the best candidates possible, why worry? as you rightly put it, the electorate is smart enough to make the right choice.

by its iron-fisted control of every conceivable lever to maintain total power, the MIW has instead done singapore a disfavor.

What are the instances that the opposition were 'clamped' down?

What are the instances of 'iron-clad' media control' you so claimed?

What 'sweeteners' are you insinuating?

The opposition had all the time in the world to prepare the ground. Media organisations espacially mainstream ones have a responsibility to report only on newsworthy items, which i sadly found none at opposition rallies.

Were opposition candidates denied opportunities to stage rallies, even if some of them are 'johnny-come-lately' types?

Fairness aside, should the ruling party, whom had worked immensely hard for years to create this country we lived, lend a hand to the opposition, who had done nothing but to cast aspersion and whom seek to topple them?

Politics is not for the faint hearted. Winning the election is but only the stepping stone to the world's stage, where the arena is more merciless. If opposition can't handle the election and scream for fairness, then our country will be worse off when they are elected and have to face the multi-polar world.

Please be more objective in your opinions and state the facts.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by redDUST @ Tue, 20 May 2008 14:56:46 +0800

redDUST — Tue, 20 May 2008 14:56:46 +0800

Originally posted by the Bear:

the thing about true freedom of choice and democracy is that people are allowed to vote whichever the hell way they want to vote..

if i decide that the MIW idiot is useless, and that the opposition is worthless, i may choose to spoil my vote - it is my right

if i decide that the MIW fella is sincere, and that the opposition is a conman and charlatan, i may choose to vote for the MIW - it is my right

if i decide that the MIW is a bum and i cannot trust him, and that the opposition is sincere and will work for the people, i may choose to vote for the opposition - it is my right

for you people who condemn those who exercise their rights, you are no better than tinpot fascist wannabes.. and think about it.. if the country was to be placed in hands like yours, we would probably see death squads to rub out people who disagree with you...

now.. think about that.. think about what democracy and freedom of choice truly means..

and then RESPECT THE DECISION OF THE MAN who dared to choose with his conscience, his logic and his heart.. instead of some nonsensical brainless "anti-MIW" kneejerk actions which a lot in SC seem to be unable to get out of...

your counter is logical, but it is really the election preamble that is called into question. credible opposition clamped even before they can campaign, iron-clad media control that only pushes the government agenda and election manifesto and arguably `illegal' sweeteners put forth to sway the apolitical/elderly electorates are areas that are questionable.

had the government be more `open' to allow credible opposition to challenge the MIW in a more `level' playing field, the end state is that the country as a whole `move forward'. surely the MIW do not have ALL the answers. if the MIW touts itself as having the best candidates possible, why worry? as you rightly put it, the electorate is smart enough to make the right choice.

by its iron-fisted control of every conceivable lever to maintain total power, the MIW has instead done singapore a disfavor.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Tue, 20 May 2008 14:55:12 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Tue, 20 May 2008 14:55:12 +0800

Go ahead, Poh, but bewarned, there will be many whom are like me, and will not stand idle and watch these 30% to be used and abuse by the likes of you to satisfy your personal egos, satisfactions and desires.

I feel sad that some have been mislead by PAP propaganda.

Dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on.

There is no other way.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by robertteh @ Tue, 20 May 2008 14:51:27 +0800

robertteh — Tue, 20 May 2008 14:51:27 +0800

The Bearable Bear,

For 40 plus years, the M/W have been using all kinds of hypocrisy and assumptions to over-tax people and hoard taxes to serve its own narrow and selfish interest taking for granted people’s sacrifices as their success.

If the bear chooses to keep quiet and is prepared to bear with such a system of hypocrisy given the abundance of wrong doings as found in NKF, Shin Corp etc, that would be his privilege.

Hypocrisy and wrong doings will not just disappear just because in Bear’s opinion others are grousers and trouble makers or democracy as a open and accountable institution will be wrong. Do not prejudge the goodness of democracy. Do not get brainwashed into believing that what M/W did over the past 40 plus years were all right and beyond criticisms.

If M/W are great leaders as they claim they should not be so negative towards public criticisms and should welcome them as opportunities for further improvements.

It is wrong to get carried away and start believing critics or oppositions are trouble-making.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by maurizio13 @ Tue, 20 May 2008 14:32:23 +0800

maurizio13 — Tue, 20 May 2008 14:32:23 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

So you think your analysis is right? within the boundaries of your limited brain capacity i must add to help you with your excuses.

Go ahead with your vote as is your right. Just know that you only have 1 chance to get it right, if not for yourself, it would be for your family, relatives and friends for the next 5 years. Good luck. You will need it more than anyone else.

You mean you agree with oxford moron's analogy? Where he used Dell and Acer (2 different groups) to compare with WP, PAP and SDP (3 different groups).

You don't agree with my analogy 3 groups equate to 3 groups?

Don't worry, I am sure I will be right with my vote, as I have been right with my analysis thus far. I will also encourage all my families and friends to vote for opposition too. Thanks for wishing me good luck, thus indirectly wishing for opposition to win the next election.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by the Bear @ Tue, 20 May 2008 13:58:39 +0800

the Bear — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:58:39 +0800

the thing about true freedom of choice and democracy is that people are allowed to vote whichever the hell way they want to vote..

if i decide that the MIW idiot is useless, and that the opposition is worthless, i may choose to spoil my vote - it is my right

if i decide that the MIW fella is sincere, and that the opposition is a conman and charlatan, i may choose to vote for the MIW - it is my right

if i decide that the MIW is a bum and i cannot trust him, and that the opposition is sincere and will work for the people, i may choose to vote for the opposition - it is my right

for you people who condemn those who exercise their rights, you are no better than tinpot fascist wannabes.. and think about it.. if the country was to be placed in hands like yours, we would probably see death squads to rub out people who disagree with you...

now.. think about that.. think about what democracy and freedom of choice truly means..

and then RESPECT THE DECISION OF THE MAN who dared to choose with his conscience, his logic and his heart.. instead of some nonsensical brainless "anti-MIW" kneejerk actions which a lot in SC seem to be unable to get out of...

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by Point_blank @ Tue, 20 May 2008 13:39:05 +0800

Point_blank — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:39:05 +0800

So you think your analysis is right? within the boundaries of your limited brain capacity i must add to help you with your excuses.

Go ahead with your vote as is your right. Just know that you only have 1 chance to get it right, if not for yourself, it would be for your family, relatives and friends for the next 5 years. Good luck. You will need it more than anyone else.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by maurizio13 @ Tue, 20 May 2008 13:08:00 +0800

maurizio13 — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:08:00 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

"Seriously speaking, you should follow in my footsteps and vote in the opposition, it's the wisest choice -maurizio13"

Blind leading the blind? What have the opposition to offer?

50 storey flats?

Multi - tiered streets for those who want to own cars?

Free education for all and WP pays ( from their own wallets) best educators in the world?

$5000 a month basic salary to all Singaporeans? Kick out all foriegners and talents?

or vote for opposition so that:-

- free speech in any corner of singapore, hungry or die your own problem?

So who's the moron? maurizio13 - you are the best candidate.

At least we don't have the wicked leading the blind. The wicked will lead the blind to hell, so that they can sell your souls to lucifer for $$$.

Wow!!!

Which maniac came up with those ideas? You, me or some politician?

I was merely pointing out to oxford moron how wrong he was in his analysis. You did read his analysis and my reply didn't you? If his analysis was gravely wrong and he supports P4P, then obviously he was banking on the wrong set of analysis and facts to base his support for P4P. If he was wrong and I was right in my analysis, then isn't it wiser to follow the right choice. I hope this is not too complex for your mind.

FYI, oxford moron has been consistently wrong in all his past arguments and analysis.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by Point_blank @ Tue, 20 May 2008 12:15:32 +0800

Point_blank — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:15:32 +0800

"Seriously speaking, you should follow in my footsteps and vote in the opposition, it's the wisest choice -maurizio13"

Blind leading the blind? What have the opposition to offer?

50 storey flats?

Multi - tiered streets for those who want to own cars?

Free education for all and WP pays ( from their own wallets) best educators in the world?

$5000 a month basic salary to all Singaporeans? Kick out all foriegners and talents?

or vote for opposition so that:-

- free speech in any corner of singapore, hungry or die your own problem?

So who's the moron? maurizio13 - you are the best candidate.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by Hogzilla @ Tue, 20 May 2008 00:08:54 +0800

Hogzilla — Tue, 20 May 2008 00:08:54 +0800

I think if I have teh chance again, I'll cast an invalid vote. Must be the first time voting get into my head.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by seancannot @ Mon, 19 May 2008 23:20:31 +0800

seancannot — Mon, 19 May 2008 23:20:31 +0800

I can understand y he vote for PAP , cos SDP is quite CMI, when SDP came to contest in my ward I voted for PAP too, when I shift i was in a PAP vs WP ward, its a no brainer to vote for WP, I think this guy is trying to say we need credible opposition but this case it can be interpret wrongly !!

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by balance_else_complacent @ Mon, 19 May 2008 12:20:45 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Mon, 19 May 2008 12:20:45 +0800

one guy's wife found porn on his pc and reported to pulleys.

not sure why she did that considering porn is univeral and enjoyed by adults. adults have their own private porn also but not video'd only.

you guys comments about why she did what she did knowing full well the impact to his hubby who is into politricks?

i no no leh.

many many things cannot be easily comprehended ones.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by maurizio13 @ Mon, 19 May 2008 06:43:15 +0800

maurizio13 — Mon, 19 May 2008 06:43:15 +0800

oxford moron,

As per above. How can we trust our lives to your flawed logic and understanding by making another mistake of voting in P4P again?

From the numerous exchanges I had with you in the past, I would your IQ to be in the range of sub 100. Most of the time, after you lose an argument with me, you will go in to hiding for an extended period of time. When you notice that I am no longer active in Speaker's Corner, you will resurface, only to get your pride demean before going back into seclusion again.

My logic is clear and I have the interest of the Singapore people at heart. Even though you and me are at different ends, but I still have you and the welfare of Singaporeans at heart. I would ascribe your affliction of low level intelligence to a freak of nature and not bear any grudges against you. Obviously if you are an imbecile in the habit of making erroneous decisions, you should not be at fault, because you do not have the ability to reason logically. Seriously speaking, you should follow in my footsteps and vote in the opposition, it's the wisest choice.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by maurizio13 @ Mon, 19 May 2008 05:53:43 +0800

maurizio13 — Mon, 19 May 2008 05:53:43 +0800

Originally posted by oxford mushroom:

Many Singaporeans do care and this is great advertisement for the ruling party. It like the principal of a primary school sending his own kids elsewhere, or the CEO of Dell is seen using Acer laptops. How much confidence can one place in the WP when its own leaders have no confidence in its ability to lead?

Obviously you show a lack of intelligence in interpreting the issues this way.

The case was a WP candidate making a choice between a SDP candidate and a PAP candidate.

Obviously the WP candidate has the interest of Singaporeans at heart, that's why he voted PAP instead of SDP. Isn't the leader of SDP Dr. Chee Soon Juan?

Your illustration is illogical as usual, I am entertaining the fact that you could be mentally challenged.

You can't even make a case between Acer, Dell and Fujitsu, because if WP was Fujitsu, it wasn't contesting the market with their product. It's probably like the CEO of Fujitsu was in China and they only carry 2 brands (Acer and Dell) of notebook PC there, since he believe that Dell was a better PC, he bought Dell. Fujitsu is not in the picture.

Doctor indeed!!! Wahahaha.....

Dr. oxford moron.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by robertteh @ Mon, 19 May 2008 00:15:45 +0800

robertteh — Mon, 19 May 2008 00:15:45 +0800

If you care to read the records within PAP itself you will no doubt find many PAP MPs including some who have crossed over to the oppositions for reasons best known to PAP itself.

Read the posts in youngpap and you will find ex-members expressing great frustrations over how they were treated within the party.

Why? If PAP has experienced such similar defections in the open then when it comes to secret voting one should not be surprised there are many PAP members who have voted for oppositions too in the general election.

So do not insist the government is always in the right and encourage more callous or rogue behavior like challenging Gomes to sue unprovoked or fixing of the oppositions.

Leave well alone for greater maturity and wisdom and statesmanship as claimed in international media. Let people be the voices of conscience and work on such voices to prevent wrongdoings like the NKF or Shin Corp and uphold the true effectiveness of the young democratic processes being experienced by this young nation to mature without too much fixing and tweaking.

If you continue to claim success by singing hollow praises for past glories it will not help the cause of your master any way for people are not that stupid to listen to your ivory tower stuff any more being sufficiently educated to know truths from hypocrisy.

It may only make it worse and bring downright contempt and discredit to PAP if all the counter-insurgents continue to counter carelessly without a thought for true feeling of citizens who not only are struggling to pay and pay but are experiencing many injustices as found in the daily running like the ex-NKF.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by oxford mushroom @ Sun, 18 May 2008 23:13:53 +0800

oxford mushroom — Sun, 18 May 2008 23:13:53 +0800

People will whine about the ruling party but time and again at the polls they will seriously consider the things that truly matter. Can the Opposition Party ensure their company will continue to prosper and that they will have a job? Will the WP be able to field competent ministers? Will the SDP be able to maintain law and order when its leaders are perpetually breaking the law and have no respect for the courts? Will their HDB flat gain in value or will their estate turn into the dump called Potong Pasir?

When it comes to the crunch, even WP leaders know how to vote the ruling party. For all we know, half the WP CEC might have been secretly voting for PAP all this time. Pity the fools that vote for WP not realizing that the Opposition Party leaders themselves secretly support the ruling party :)

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by Fingolfin_Noldor @ Sun, 18 May 2008 17:28:23 +0800

Fingolfin_Noldor — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:28:23 +0800

Originally posted by maurizio13:

Insults?

I was merely attesting to facts.

Judging from your reaction to my comments, I guess the truth must hurt.

As right winger tards go by, OM is pretty much "run of the mill" in the usual "catch phrase" debating tactics he so loves to employ.

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by pearlie27 @ Sun, 18 May 2008 17:23:25 +0800

pearlie27 — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:23:25 +0800

Originally posted by RainForest88:

Yaw Shin Leong is certainly knows how to grease his political career, voted for the PAP and telling the whole world about it in his blog. Is he trying to get invited to PAP's tea session?

He can vote for PAP for all we care but why must he publicize it. What was his motives for doing so? To raise the credibility of PAP? To erode the credibility of the opposition? To sow discord in his party, WP and the opposition camp? To get invitation to PAP's tea session? i suspect it is all of the above. He probably thought that that was a masterstroke but i think he has nailed shut the coffin of his political career!

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by Fingolfin_Noldor @ Sun, 18 May 2008 17:19:05 +0800

Fingolfin_Noldor — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:19:05 +0800

Making mountains out of ant hills seem to be a trademark habit of pro-PAP morons.

The fact remains that this idiot obviously did not believe what he was doing, but he did it because he was a power hungry political animal. He wanted power, and now, he's trying to sell himself to the PAP.

So going about saying "no confidence in this and that" is simply missing the point. The fucker is trying whore himself to potential new masters in return for some chance to be an MP bootlicker. After all, joining the PAP grants a lot of nice business connections. Who doesn't want to join?

Workers' Party CEC member voted for PAP in 2006 Election replied by maurizio13 @ Sun, 18 May 2008 15:49:09 +0800

maurizio13 — Sun, 18 May 2008 15:49:09 +0800

Originally posted by oxford mushroom:

Apart from insults what else can you offer? Facts hurt, don't they? :)

Insults?

I was merely attesting to facts.

Judging from your reaction to my comments, I guess the truth must hurt.

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