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snowfoxx — Sat, 24 May 2008 20:01:59 +0800

LOL, YES, slow torture

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t_a_s — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:02:28 +0800

the body will be embalm but the soul suffers at the 18th level of hell,

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snowfoxx — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:20:26 +0800

I got a feeling for all his trillion billions, that old man has revised a artificial system that will embalm his body to make him live forever as a living zombie........... Pok Ah Pak, what do you say?

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Poh Ah Pak — Mon, 19 May 2008 17:09:33 +0800

I agree with Meat Pao.

Since all countries are different, then clearly the form of democracy that will take place, that can work will also be different.

Although some basic principles of governance will remain the same.

Things like,

Rule of law.

Checks and balances.

Protection of certain rights to citizens etc.

此讨论主题刚由 Difference between our HYPO leaders and Premier Wen Jia Bao 于 Meat Pao 回复

Meat Pao — Mon, 19 May 2008 17:04:16 +0800

Hi,

I think the question of democracy deserves further examination.

In my opinion, it is not neccessarily the best system to apply.

In places where liberal democracy is applied, western countries and afew non-western countries, what do we see..?

Different parties/ factions fight each other, decision making take very long or have to modify to suit populist sentiments, and negative campaigning/ negative attacks towards each other. Demonstrations and counter-demonstrations on many policies. Media setting the agenda and shaping public opinion. MPs and politicians have to look good and photogenic to sell themselves and win elections.

In my opinion, this democracy may or may not be the best political system.

Also it is important to note, I think social systems and beliefs, the building block of society, is the basis of a political system. The political system should reflect the underlying social system.

In western countries, individualism, freedom of individual, individual identity, is a
strong character of their social values. In eastern countries, collectivism, respect for hirearchy, order, and less individualism, is strong character of the social values.

This is not just some theory but a real practice too. We can see it everywhere in our day-to-day lives.

Therefore, the question of democracy, it deserves further examination.

In my opinion, each country or society must find for itself what is the best and most suitable system, which suits its cultural identity, social beliefs, and national character, and also most importantly, a system which can bring results, pragmatic, and workable.

In other words, we shouldn't believe the notion of 'democracy' can be applied uniformly across all societies in the world in an universal manner. I think doing that would be akin to self-sabotage.

Meat Pao.

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kengkia — Mon, 19 May 2008 16:24:03 +0800

Originally posted by Tycoapollo:

The spirit in Singapore cannot be compare to China. China ppl really stand together in times of crisis. They love their country and they love their Government.

As for Singapore, the things that the Government did nowadays really pissed off many ppl. Althought everything in SG looks really good to other countries,, it is effort of ordinary ppl in SG , but the Government takes all the credits.

i think SG should allow peaceful protest to be legal, just like other country. if peaceful protest is not legal in a country, the country can nv achieve freedom.

oh is it?...dun forget it's the very same govt that ordered tiananmen incident wor...

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drawer — Sun, 18 May 2008 22:39:47 +0800

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

China should not follow western political models but develop democracy according to chinese conditions.

Democracy is democracy,there is no such thing as Western democracy n Eastern democracy.Our PAP leaders(especially Lee Kuan Yew n his ignorant son) keep stressing that we should develop a democracy that suit our country is becoz they want to continue dominate Singapore politics.

And besides,what sort of Chinese democracy Lou Lee n his son are emphasizing?Like now,only 2-3 opposition members hanging half dead in the parliament?This is called "Chinese democracy"?

此讨论主题刚由 Difference between our HYPO leaders and Premier Wen Jia Bao 于 charlize 回复

charlize — Sun, 18 May 2008 18:43:11 +0800

Originally posted by GHoST_18:

one talks and do something..

the other talks and does nothing...

Talking and doing nothing is one thing.

But talking nonsense and doing nothing is an even higher level skill.

Mee siam mai hum.

此讨论主题刚由 Difference between our HYPO leaders and Premier Wen Jia Bao 于 pearlie27 回复

pearlie27 — Sun, 18 May 2008 18:33:27 +0800

Originally posted by Tycoapollo:

The spirit in Singapore cannot be compare to China. China ppl really stand together in times of crisis. They love their country and they love their Government.

As for Singapore, the things that the Government did nowadays really pissed off many ppl. Althought everything in SG looks really good to other countries,, it is effort of ordinary ppl in SG , but the Government takes all the credits.

i think SG should allow peaceful protest to be legal, just like other country. if peaceful protest is not legal in a country, the country can nv achieve freedom.

The PRC Chinese are indeed very patriotic but i don't think they love the govt much. Singaporeans do stand together in times of crisis but they are not as patriotic as compared with the PRC Chinese. There are probably 2 reasons of this. Firstly, Sg is a relatively young country, and secondly, the govt don't quite cherish them.

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kengkia — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:57:33 +0800

Originally posted by GHoST_18:

one talks and do something..

the other talks and does nothing...

who fits into the former and who fits into the latter...the two do things almost same pattern one....

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GHoST_18 — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:56:04 +0800

one talks and do something..

the other talks and does nothing...

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kengkia — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:54:34 +0800

Originally posted by pearlie27:

Our political leaders are really cowards. They will be the first to claim any credits but will go into hiding when there are trouble. Where were they in the first few days of the World Hotel collapse, Nicoll Highway collapse and the Mas Selamat escape?

if chee soon juan was sort of zhuge liang...he would have exploited this weakness of the 'whites'....poor him..he did it the wrong way and achieved nothing....

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pearlie27 — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:50:47 +0800

Our political leaders are really cowards. They will be the first to claim any credits but will go into hiding when there are trouble. Where were they in the first few days of the World Hotel collapse, Nicoll Highway collapse and the Mas Selamat escape?

此讨论主题刚由 Difference between our HYPO leaders and Premier Wen Jia Bao 于 Tycoapollo 回复

Tycoapollo — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:17:34 +0800

The spirit in Singapore cannot be compare to China. China ppl really stand together in times of crisis. They love their country and they love their Government.

As for Singapore, the things that the Government did nowadays really pissed off many ppl. Althought everything in SG looks really good to other countries,, it is effort of ordinary ppl in SG , but the Government takes all the credits.

i think SG should allow peaceful protest to be legal, just like other country. if peaceful protest is not legal in a country, the country can nv achieve freedom.

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purpledragon84 — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:08:14 +0800

Originally posted by kengkia:

we shall see for national day 2008....it's a day after the commencement of beijing 2008 olympics...

im quite sure there'll be a lot of china flags.. much more den singapore flags..

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kengkia — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:02:23 +0800

Originally posted by deathmaster:

didn't you notice that there are lot less flags nowadays during national day?

we shall see for national day 2008....it's a day after the commencement of beijing 2008 olympics...

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deathmaster — Sun, 18 May 2008 06:51:45 +0800

Originally posted by zenden9:

I urge all singaporean who show disaproval for present regime not to hang any sg flag during national day!

didn't you notice that there are lot less flags nowadays during national day?

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Arapahoe — Sat, 17 May 2008 22:36:48 +0800

Originally posted by Atobe:

China has a national treasury that is more then a few trillion dollars in size - will any further cash contribution from the Singapore Government be of any effect ?

It is in terms of 'disaster relief expertise' and equipment that is more urgently needed now in China then the monetary help.

China has also asked for such material help, and after 48 hours of delay had finally opened its doors to a selected few Asian countries to help in the recovery efforts.

Towards the Indonesians, the Singapore Government had been more generous in direct cash aid, and even more in the material and humanitarian support delivered by the SAF.

The amount spent on the Indonesians was far more generous then the amount spent directly for the benefit of the Singaporean aged and needy.

i have to agreed it isn't about money especially when we look at size of donations. The Taiwanese are giving a larger amt of donation. I think it is what we can make the different.

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kengkia — Sat, 17 May 2008 22:29:22 +0800

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

When can Singapore be freed from this Lee Kuan Yew?

When?

When?

When?

Heaven, why you put this man Lee Kuan Yew in power for so long to make us suffer?

50 years of Lee Kuan Yew is enough.

It is time.

Please.

this has happend in history to a axis dictator of WW2...will this happen in singapore?

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qlqq9 — Sat, 17 May 2008 22:02:04 +0800

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

Lee Kuan Yew want me to respect him, that is impossible.

I know too much shit about Lee Kuan Yew.

too much shit about him? I also know shit abt him. Just a matter of time he will reap what he sows.

此讨论主题刚由 Difference between our HYPO leaders and Premier Wen Jia Bao 于 Poh Ah Pak 回复

Poh Ah Pak — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:54:02 +0800

Lee Kuan Yew want me to respect him, that is impossible.

I know too much shit about Lee Kuan Yew.

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qlqq9 — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:52:41 +0800

I once heard the "live" speech of lky. he reiterated that he wants his MPs to be respected by the people. He refuses or is ignorant that respect is earned not deserved. We the people of Singapore are not his and his MPs and ministers' employees, stop treating us like slaves and as if we owe them a living.

It is lky, lhl, goh choke tong and all in pap that owe us a living, we feed them, we are their bosses.

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Poh Ah Pak — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:51:48 +0800

China should not follow western political models but develop democracy according to chinese conditions.

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drawer — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:46:17 +0800

@ the topic:i believe mainland China has to move forward to a democratic country sooner or later.Becoz China open up her doorstep n welcome investment has a short history.If i am not wrong,she open up her market during 1979,after the cultural revolution.

China still has a long way to go of realising that Western democracy is more efficient than one-party dominating situation.They have to learn,self-reproaching,realise and implement democracy before they can go further in future.

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drawer — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:37:36 +0800

Originally posted by bratpig:

Sorry to correct you. But Singapore is not a Christian country. But we can't blame you. Due to bad marketing, we do not really have an identity.

But I have to agree with you that SG is not really known to be generous donors under most circumstances.

For tightass, the shit is usually circulated in the internal system. The shitty effect is mainly felt by the lower system.

LOL.....i believe Lee Kuan Yew now got a tightass,his face look like cannot pass motion for many days,as if his shit is stucked in his buttock.^^