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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by Atobe @ Mon, 19 May 2008 14:16:44 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_from"&gt;Originally posted by january:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_body"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its rare to find a netizen who is on the same side as me.. at
least in some sense...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I dunno whether you are PAP member with personal agenda... but
its rare indeed becos in the net.. i usually one man standing when
it comes to criticising the net critics who lambast the govt
frequently.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
LOL - do you think it is a relief for you to be in some good
company with OM ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like the parasitic mushroom plant that he is, he will leech on
you and abandon you like the typical mushroom when the&amp;nbsp;host is
dead and no longer useful.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just like the Singapore Government method&amp;nbsp;of leeching on
the savings of every&amp;nbsp;Singaporean, and leave them in their old
age to the charity of other Singaporeans - while they extract their
millions and throw away billions overseas.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by balance_else_complacent @ Mon, 19 May 2008 11:28:16 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_from"&gt;Originally posted by january:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_body"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its rare to find a netizen who is on the same side as me.. at
least in some sense...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I dunno whether you are PAP member with personal agenda... but
its rare indeed becos in the net.. i usually one man standing when
it comes to criticising the net critics who lambast the govt
frequently.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
January = oxy.mron.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by january @ Mon, 19 May 2008 02:05:38 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_from"&gt;Originally posted by oxford mushroom:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_body"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
You haven't explained why the TS is wrong in his/her comparison.
Just another brainless critic of the government...exactly the kind
of people the TS was talking about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its rare to find a netizen who is on the same side as me.. at
least in some sense...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I dunno whether you are PAP member with personal agenda... but
its rare indeed becos in the net.. i usually one man standing when
it comes to criticising the net critics who lambast the govt
frequently.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:05:38 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by drawer @ Sun, 18 May 2008 22:52:26 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_from"&gt;Originally posted by january:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_body"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ya.. if you all are allow to mainstream media.. hell will break
lose&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yawnzz.....Hell will really break lose if critics from the
public are allowed on the mainstream media,or our PAP leaders n
some PAP ministers are narrow-minded n cant allow themselves to get
criticised from the public on the media?There is a big difference,u
know?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:52:26 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by hloc @ Sun, 18 May 2008 08:51:34 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: #999999;"&gt;Originally posted by Poh Ah
Pak:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Either he die or we die.&lt;img src=
"/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/set1/wink.png" alt="wink.png" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bro..... I agree with the others. Bad example you are giving
&lt;img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=
"icon_mrgreen.gif" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color: #999999;"&gt;Originally posted by extra
one:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;y police still havent catch u?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Police aren't as 'Free' as you think........ and there isn't a
'LAW' that saids you can't 'WISH' a person to die.... only one
against you trying to kill that person by yourself or someone
else.....&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 08:51:34 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sun, 18 May 2008 08:37:30 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_from"&gt;Originally posted by oxford mushroom:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_body"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
You haven't explained why the TS is wrong in his/her comparison.
Just another brainless critic of the government...exactly the kind
of people the TS was talking about.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Has the ERP solved terrafic congestione?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I must say yes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;where to buy doggie biscuits for my poodles which like to lick
me boots clean clean like a slave huh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 08:37:30 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by oxford mushroom @ Sun, 18 May 2008 07:52:39 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_from"&gt;Originally posted by
balance_else_complacent:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_body"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To TS specifically,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;by comparing the PORE with the TW,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know there is no need to read further your post.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its like comparing mee siam with&amp;nbsp;rocket science&amp;nbsp;-
totally&amp;nbsp;unrelated.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You attempt to spread some message but due to your illogical
comparison, there is no need to consider this post at all, so as
not to waste precious time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
You haven't explained why the TS is wrong in his/her comparison.
Just another brainless critic of the government...exactly the kind
of people the TS was talking about.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 07:52:39 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by oxford mushroom @ Sun, 18 May 2008 07:51:03 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_from"&gt;Originally posted by kramnave:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_body"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He still alive, why you haven't die ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
haha....Poh Ah Pak, if LKY continues to live, live, live...then you
have to die, die, die :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 07:51:03 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by extra one @ Sat, 17 May 2008 20:57:37 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_from"&gt;Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_body"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Either he die or we die.&lt;img src=
"/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/set1/wink.png" alt="wink.png" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
y police still havent catch u?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:57:37 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 17 May 2008 20:45:26 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;To TS specifically,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;by comparing the PORE with the TW,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know there is no need to read further your post.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its like comparing mee siam with&amp;nbsp;rocket science&amp;nbsp;-
totally&amp;nbsp;unrelated.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You attempt to spread some message but due to your illogical
comparison, there is no need to consider this post at all, so as
not to waste precious time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:45:26 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by Spartans @ Sat, 17 May 2008 17:18:57 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Sometimes, and I reiterate, sometimes, to get things done,
democracy has to take a step back.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To gain something usually is accompanied by loss of something
else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But but but the Lees have crossed over the line too often.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 17:18:57 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 17 May 2008 15:04:20 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;According to Tan Wah Piow:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;So you think the PAP can't capture the people's attention?
But there have been efforts since the 80's to get the people to be
involved.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Wah Piow:&lt;/strong&gt; What they are
doing appears to be extremely progressive in getting more public
participation. There are a lot of those institutions for the old
and young &lt;strong&gt;but the underlying motive behind is still the
hegemony of one party, which is what distorts the whole
process.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;If you challenge the decision of the state, you will
be accused of all kinds of things. They will undermine you before
you start.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The moment they smell that you have the opposition tendency, they
will mark you and if you are really an oppositionist, then you will
get into serious problems.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;If you exist as an individual, they can tolerate you
as an eccentric, tolerate in the sense that they won't put you in
jail. The moment they sense (you are) organising, then you are in
deep trouble...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=
"http://www.littlespeck.com/informed/2006/CInformed-060827.htm"
rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.littlespeck.com/informed/2006/CInformed-060827.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you want to oppose Lee Kuan Yew and PAP, they will hunt you
down and wipe you out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See whether you dare to oppose Lee Kuan Yew, PAP and their
dictates or not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 15:04:20 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by kramnave @ Sat, 17 May 2008 14:58:03 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_from"&gt;Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="quote_body"&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Either he die or we die.&lt;img src=
"/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/set1/wink.png" alt="wink.png" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He still alive, why you haven't die ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:58:03 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 17 May 2008 14:23:38 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;Either he die or we die.&lt;img src=
"/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/set1/wink.png" alt="wink.png" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:23:38 +0800</pubDate>
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      <author>Poh Ah Pak</author>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by january @ Sat, 17 May 2008 14:18:22 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;ya.. if you all are allow to mainstream media.. hell will break
lose&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 14:18:22 +0800</pubDate>
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      <author>january</author>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 17 May 2008 13:53:12 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sgforum critics can never be like taiwan govt critics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Taiwan critics are in the mainstream media.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Their propaganda power is strong and far reaching.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PAP regime won't allow the same here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Want to sing praises, yes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Criticise, no.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You think Lee Kuan Yew will allow?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=
"http://www.feer.com/free-interviews/2006/october/singapores-martyr-chee-soon-juan1"
rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.feer.com/free-interviews/2006/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=
"http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=52911" rel=
"nofollow"&gt;http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lee Kuan Yew will not agree to that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:53:12 +0800</pubDate>
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      <author>Poh Ah Pak</author>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 17 May 2008 13:28:36 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;So Singapore government is wise and clean?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:28:36 +0800</pubDate>
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      <author>Poh Ah Pak</author>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by january @ Sat, 17 May 2008 13:25:21 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;govt is corrupt and stupid theories are like conspiracy
theories... these people can really become hollywood or bollywood
scriptwriters with the amount of imaginative reasoning they
have.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 13:25:21 +0800</pubDate>
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      <title>sgforums govt critics = taiwan govt critics replied by january @ Sat, 17 May 2008 13:22:44 +0800</title>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;I realize this similiarity. Always full of theories and stories
and saying this and that. If you got see before taiwan media
poltics shows, you see the so called many experts...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;anyway... i hope readers dun get sway into "govt sucks and is
corrupt"&amp;nbsp;mentality so easy by the posts in this forum. I
myself comes from quite poor to average family income. My income ,
is also, well poor too, at 1 to 1.5 k by singpore standards.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Govt surely needs to have improvments and surely have problems.
I do not agree that we have reached conclusions that govt is
corrupt and stupid. These critics are just blinded by the strength
of the govt. I hope that these critics are just the minority in
singapore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These critics appeal mostly to poor to average income people
becus well, we have little savings so its tough on these people,
especailly when you see others richer than you. These arguemnts are
so one sided and chose to ignore the reasons given by govt.
Instead, the counter arguments&amp;nbsp;from govt instead propel them
to confirm their idea that govt is corrupt and stupid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The inefficiency and errors of govt is best to solve within,
Where most PAP people and mid level leaders are voicing their
argument about various issues within the government.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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