The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Atobe @ Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:39:29 +0800

Atobe — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:39:29 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

Robert, if you can believe in Asswipe Atobe's proven craven and despicable posts, then i guess there is nothing to even discuss. Now i know why true intellectuals have no wish to engage with the opposition parties and their rabid supporters, espacially here. There is no point for the wise to argue with fools because others will not be able to know the difference.

I wish you good luck and may you see the truth one day, and may that day be not a painful experience.

The following was posted on Page 1 of this thread in my response to TS opening piece:

“I would say the generation of the ‘50s and ‘60s took the plunge into politics without ever calculating the costs of the risk and the benefits to be gained. They were driven by ideology. Today’s generation has no culture and averse to taking political risk. Really, an interest in politics is very necessary for the future. But I cannot blame the present generations, because they see the heavy-handed response by the government to dissenting views, even though they know that these matters involve their daily lives.

So the result is that we have produced a younger generation who are meek and therefore very calculating. They are less independent-thinking and lack in initiative. It does not bode well for the emergence of future leaders in politics and business. Robots and computers can be programmed or if you like, can be trained. But the trouble, of course, is that computers lack soul and what we need in Singapore is soul. Because it is soul that makes society.”

In your usual vulgar ways of intellectual dishonesty, should we assume that you were correct in your assessment - that this was my elaborate dishonest twist from an honest speech by Dr Toh Chin Chye to be woven into the text of my response to TS ?

Have you lost your intellectual creativity to adopt any other positions in honest debate, except to lie on your back - insulting the trade of honest whores - with your dishonest work in making 'Point_blank" unsubstantiated juvenile critiques of the responses from others ?

Yet you will accuse others to be ''bastard opposition supporters'' that the People in Singapore do not need - when your own efforts have continuously bastardised the image of your God Father.

Do you think you are appreciated and be accepted by those whom you try so hard to protect - when your own diligent work at dishonestly protecting the God Father is no better than a half-baked bastardised version of your God Father ?

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by kiekergaard @ Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:03:54 +0800

kiekergaard — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:03:54 +0800

POWER! has pwned LKY's head for over 9000 gold!

That aside, I think that pretty much sums all the walls of text here. And I enjoyed that offering of intelligent discourse in the first page. Very entertaining start to my day =D

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by the Bear @ Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:55:35 +0800

the Bear — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:55:35 +0800

Deng Xiao Ping?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA...

bobby... your points would not have been made if we'd have lea-duhs like those guys you mentioned... you dogma would have been run over by an armoured karma in Tian'anmen

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by robertteh @ Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:00:44 +0800

robertteh — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:00:44 +0800

Point_blank,

You want people to believe that true intellectuals are those who persisted in fixing people, calling others liars without the slightest understanding of what is a lie, or in a position to handle truths themselves e.g. collecting million-dollar salaries and refusing to accept responsibility for serious problems as seen in NKF or Mas Selamat, a case of total lapse of country's security system.

Oxford has better to revise the definition of "Intellectual" or "Honesty" or "Liar" in its latest edition of the English dictionary.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Airforceone @ Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:47:29 +0800

Airforceone — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:47:29 +0800

Selfishness is one of the attributes collected while living in a city, due to the limited space and noise level. One have to be selfish to survive.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:06:22 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 10:06:22 +0800

I wish you good luck and may you see the truth one day

What truth?

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Point_blank @ Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:32:36 +0800

Point_blank — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 09:32:36 +0800

Originally posted by robertteh:

No body is saying M/W have not contributed to the development of the little red dot. So you do not have to belabor this point.

When I criticise M/W for his policies or attitude towards the people, I do keep in mind at all time he has been one of the founding fathers like Dr. Toh Chin Chye, ex-President Ong Teng Cheong and Dr. Goh Keng Swee.

However my point is that because M/W seems to be claiming all the credit or most of the credit to himself, he has been doing a great disservice to the nation.

He has to be more humble and practise virtue and morality in governing the country instead of claiming he knows all and behaving so belligerently to all his political oppositions or people who ever posed a threat to him.

Up to now after so many posts you do not seem to appreciate all these objective views in Atobe's or others' posts in this forum so far.

He certainly has more substance in his posts than those who keep trying to intercept such views here like gazelle or Oxford Mushroom. So I hope you could stop calling him or anyone names or deriding them for any views critical of government policies or attitude. These views of citizens are healthy and normal in any civilised society so do not be so negative towards them. Take a positive approach to people and you will do better in being part of change for M/W. In any change or difficulty there is an opportunity. Only problem is many people even great leaders cannot see the opportunity inherent in problems.

If there are certain NKF or Shin Corp wrong doings or hypocrisy of the government or M/W let them take the opportunity to change for the better and win over those who criticise them. Why resort to calling them liars and presume to know all truths and refuse to examine themselves.

If after what have been done to citizens if today we still have citizens like these who are still willing and passionate to spend time trying to give their views here in internet we are lucky including M/W who will finally benefit from their views.

Collectively the average joe still has a higher duty over and above his humdrum job and calling to society to check on government by offering his two cents worth in whatever forum. If they are well informed and well studied so much the better. If not so talented, they should can still play a useful role as active citizens here.I applaud all of them for whatever their contributions nor matter how humble or insignificant.

For for people like gazelle or Oxford Mushroom they have been denied of their so-called "talk cock sing song" stance here many time.

So I do hope you can understand truths will finally triumph over hypocrisy about things like ministers' talents or their million-dollar talents as can be seen in their own lack of worth in the Mas Selamant case. A school boy can see the shame in such cowardise in failing to take responsibility for melt down in the security system.

Go back and give all these worthwhile and objective feedbacks to M/W of people's views like the NKF, Shin Corp, Mas Selamant and unhappiness over ministers' writing their own cheques and claiming their own worths without shame.

Above tell them not to adopt such a negative condescending attitude towards their own people. Such holier-than-thou attitude of M/W is horrendous by any human standard. You of course will not appreciate all these valuable views if you are paid to do your counter-insurgency here so to speak.

No one is perfect even for M/W. So it is quite wrong for your to continue to pretend to be so perfect always trying to advise people all over the world although he cannot even handle truth himself.

Tell him to be humble and come down to earth and make amend of his many errors and mistakes in the governing of this little red dot and he will be a greater leader.

When that happens, I will be the first one to praise him and apologize for my many criticisms of his policies and wrong attitudes toward his own people.

As citizens they do not have to be accountable to the leaders because the leaders wear the crown and uneasy is he who wears the crown,

If citizens do not understand certain things M/W say or try to say, at the end it is still the duty and responsibility of the M/W to bear with them educate them, promote positive values, cohesiveness and closeness with the citizens to forge a strong loyal team to build the nation.

Has M/W lived up to such expectations by the way they are suing people for lies which are only defined in his own vocabulary.

Robert, if you can believe in Asswipe Atobe's proven craven and despicable posts, then i guess there is nothing to even discuss. Now i know why true intellectuals have no wish to engage with the opposition parties and their rabid supporters, espacially here. There is no point for the wise to argue with fools because others will not be able to know the difference.

I wish you good luck and may you see the truth one day, and may that day be not a painful experience.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:39:49 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:39:49 +0800

Culture of Fear?

That is what Lee Kuan Yew wants.

"If you don't fear me, I am nothing" - Lee Kuan Yew

http://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008/05/

He is a strange man.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Atobe @ Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:56:03 +0800

Atobe — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:56:03 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

Robert, your points are moot, because we will not know the truth of what will happen one way or another. It is easy to upon hindsight to claim so and so could have done a better job. But we do not live in a flux - critical decisions have to be made daily to ensure the survival of a People.

The point of it all is, were we better off than our forefathers in pre-independence days or not? Are there homeless citizens in the streets of their own choice? Are the poor neglected? Are our children deprive of best education? Are those who were harmed by the elements not helped by the govt or community help groups? Are the old and infirm denied of medical aid?

Search your heart and you will be to answer those questions and seek the truth deep within you.

PS: If you want me to reply you again, please do not make references to that asswipe atobe. He/She has no credibility to engage in any intellectual excercises for she/he knows only to twist her words, spread lies and half truths, talk more crap then to deal with issues.

Welcome back from your abrupt absence of leave when going into painful labor in your useless search for more 'blank_points' to make.

Can anyone blame you for your continued delusion, when you start from your admitted 'Point_blank' misnomer - which is purely a bankrupt position in arguing anything ?

It seems that was your minimum honesty that began with a small point on a blank screen - filled with emptiness - as proven in all your arguments presented.

Do I need to twist my words when each and every one of your failed points is due to your own carelessness in presenting your own arguments that were without any basis - but mere ''blanks'' in the ''points'' that you attempted to push down everyone's sight ?

While facts of events that occurred have been presented, you continuously deride these as half-truths, lies, and words twisted to suit my argument.

In response to your own deluded position, you have continuously been challenged to indicate which one of my statements made were false, lies, and even half-truths that you have claimed - yet after having crossed words through several threads, you have still been unable to single any one particular word, phrase, sentence, or whole paragraphs from my posts to substantiate your claim.

Is your intellect any higher then the participant 'eagle' - whom you insulted by calling him a simpleton - when you are no better than that of lionnoisy, or Aelop a.k.a Gazelle, or even the one with a boasted PhD qualification that is scrapped together of paper made from the fibres of ''mushrooms'' gathered in ''Oxford'' ?

For one who claims others to be word whore, you seem to be the one who indulge in the vulgar trade of prostituting your honesty, conscience and morals in the continued propagation of a blind lie that Singapore is a First World Country.

At least the prostitutes - derided as whores - have performed more honest services than you possibly can despite your self-acclaimed higher standards of intellectual honesty or morals.

Do you have no shame after being treated like an Ass, with your butt consistenlty being swiped ?

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by robertteh @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:17:17 +0800

robertteh — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:17:17 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

Robert, your points are moot, because we will not know the truth of what will happen one way or another. It is easy to upon hindsight to claim so and so could have done a better job. But we do not live in a flux - critical decisions have to be made daily to ensure the survival of a People.

The point of it all is, were we better off than our forefathers in pre-independence days or not? Are there homeless citizens in the streets of their own choice? Are the poor neglected? Are our children deprive of best education? Are those who were harmed by the elements not helped by the govt or community help groups? Are the old and infirm denied of medical aid?

Search your heart and you will be to answer those questions and seek the truth deep within you.

PS: If you want me to reply you again, please do not make references to that asswipe atobe. He/She has no credibility to engage in any intellectual excercises for she/he knows only to twist her words, spread lies and half truths, talk more crap then to deal with issues.

No body is saying M/W have not contributed to the development of the little red dot. So you do not have to belabor this point.

When I criticise M/W for his policies or attitude towards the people, I do keep in mind at all time he has been one of the founding fathers like Dr. Toh Chin Chye, ex-President Ong Teng Cheong and Dr. Goh Keng Swee.

However my point is that because M/W seems to be claiming all the credit or most of the credit to himself, he has been doing a great disservice to the nation.

He has to be more humble and practise virtue and morality in governing the country instead of claiming he knows all and behaving so belligerently to all his political oppositions or people who ever posed a threat to him.

Up to now after so many posts you do not seem to appreciate all these objective views in Atobe's or others' posts in this forum so far.

He certainly has more substance in his posts than those who keep trying to intercept such views here like gazelle or Oxford Mushroom. So I hope you could stop calling him or anyone names or deriding them for any views critical of government policies or attitude. These views of citizens are healthy and normal in any civilised society so do not be so negative towards them. Take a positive approach to people and you will do better in being part of change for M/W. In any change or difficulty there is an opportunity. Only problem is many people even great leaders cannot see the opportunity inherent in problems.

If there are certain NKF or Shin Corp wrong doings or hypocrisy of the government or M/W let them take the opportunity to change for the better and win over those who criticise them. Why resort to calling them liars and presume to know all truths and refuse to examine themselves.

If after what have been done to citizens if today we still have citizens like these who are still willing and passionate to spend time trying to give their views here in internet we are lucky including M/W who will finally benefit from their views.

Collectively the average joe still has a higher duty over and above his humdrum job and calling to society to check on government by offering his two cents worth in whatever forum. If they are well informed and well studied so much the better. If not so talented, they should can still play a useful role as active citizens here.I applaud all of them for whatever their contributions nor matter how humble or insignificant.

For for people like gazelle or Oxford Mushroom they have been denied of their so-called "talk cock sing song" stance here many time.

So I do hope you can understand truths will finally triumph over hypocrisy about things like ministers' talents or their million-dollar talents as can be seen in their own lack of worth in the Mas Selamant case. A school boy can see the shame in such cowardise in failing to take responsibility for melt down in the security system.

Go back and give all these worthwhile and objective feedbacks to M/W of people's views like the NKF, Shin Corp, Mas Selamant and unhappiness over ministers' writing their own cheques and claiming their own worths without shame.

Above tell them not to adopt such a negative condescending attitude towards their own people. Such holier-than-thou attitude of M/W is horrendous by any human standard. You of course will not appreciate all these valuable views if you are paid to do your counter-insurgency here so to speak.

No one is perfect even for M/W. So it is quite wrong for your to continue to pretend to be so perfect always trying to advise people all over the world although he cannot even handle truth himself.

Tell him to be humble and come down to earth and make amend of his many errors and mistakes in the governing of this little red dot and he will be a greater leader.

When that happens, I will be the first one to praise him and apologize for my many criticisms of his policies and wrong attitudes toward his own people.

As citizens they do not have to be accountable to the leaders because the leaders wear the crown and uneasy is he who wears the crown,

If citizens do not understand certain things M/W say or try to say, at the end it is still the duty and responsibility of the M/W to bear with them educate them, promote positive values, cohesiveness and closeness with the citizens to forge a strong loyal team to build the nation.

Has M/W lived up to such expectations by the way they are suing people for lies which are only defined in his own vocabulary.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Civilgoh @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:32:55 +0800

Civilgoh — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:32:55 +0800

Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:

sorry i find you very amusing. You dont have to start hurling insults just because your argumentation is weak and you cant counter my points. "closeminded and blind nonsense" ? Would you like to prove that your opinion is perfectly justified ?

All you have done so far, is avoidance. You talk about foreign workers ? Who is referring to foreign workers here ? I'm talking about LOCALS, who are homeless and helpless. "talking to the guy who sleeps at the playground" is an example, and an expression. Not a literal instruction ... Goodness!

So dont get started on "intelligent discourse", when you're not even fulfilling the very basics of discourse. You've just demonstrated your inabilitywith logical fallacies and essentially subpar argumentation. And you accuse me of being here to ridicule ? I'll say, i'm more than happy to ridicule the weak

You are welcome. Just come across these in the website so thought it good to share with forumers here.

Point_blank is upset that nobody gives him any support and agree with him. Facts are facts, reality is reality, these are all for us to observe, read, see and think about them. There is no way to deny them. It is affecting our life and how are we to ignore these.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by HyperionDCZ @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:22:01 +0800

HyperionDCZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:22:01 +0800

THANKS civil for the valuable insight ! I think our friend here Point_blank can see for himself, how deluded he is, trusting what he sees and hears from our media. The irony of him calling me closeminded...

Originally posted by Point_blank:

I know of a guy who sleeps at playgrounds, he is a foreign worker, and prefers the open space than to his packed dorm. He is a responsibility of his country, not ours, though we can only help him so much, for we have our own citizens to care of.

Seems that your intention here is not for intelligent discourse but to ridicule with closeminded and blind nonsense. Need i reply to you any further?

sorry i find you very amusing. You dont have to start hurling insults just because your argumentation is weak and you cant counter my points. "closeminded and blind nonsense" ? Would you like to prove that your opinion is perfectly justified ?

All you have done so far, is avoidance. You talk about foreign workers ? Who is referring to foreign workers here ? I'm talking about LOCALS, who are homeless and helpless. "talking to the guy who sleeps at the playground" is an example, and an expression. Not a literal instruction ... Goodness!

So dont get started on "intelligent discourse", when you're not even fulfilling the very basics of discourse. You've just demonstrated your inabilitywith logical fallacies and essentially subpar argumentation. And you accuse me of being here to ridicule ? I'll say, i'm more than happy to ridicule the weak

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Civilgoh @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:19:47 +0800

Civilgoh — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:19:47 +0800

Singaporeans are very much controlled by fear and those whatever propaganda from the controlled press. My friend from Myanmar is surprised that those Singaporeans he meets believes what the local media say. He commented that I am the first one whom he meets who is objective (not brainwashed).

Lee Kuan Yew is formidable that was why he was fast to make the local media under his control once he became the PM. He has seen what media can do harm to politicians. The oppositions here are not given fair treatment by the local media and thus those who do not read with objectivity are brainwashed and think that oppositions are troublemakers.

May more and more Singaporeans read, watch and listen to local media with open mind, let these people be politically mature then we will see changes in our country.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by rokkie @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:32:16 +0800

rokkie — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:32:16 +0800

Originally posted by Atobe:

“I would say the generation of the ‘50s and ‘60s took the plunge into politics without ever calculating the costs of the risk and the benefits to be gained. They were driven by ideology. Today’s generation has no culture and averse to taking political risk. Really, an interest in politics is very necessary for the future. But I cannot blame the present generations, because they see the heavy-handed response by the government to dissenting views, even though they know that these matters involve their daily lives.

So the result is that we have produced a younger generation who are meek and therefore very calculating. They are less independent-thinking and lack in initiative. It does not bode well for the emergence of future leaders in politics and business. Robots and computers can be programmed or if you like, can be trained. But the trouble, of course, is that computers lack soul and what we need in Singapore is soul. Because it is soul that makes society.”

well said

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Point_blank @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:27:30 +0800

Point_blank — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:27:30 +0800

Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:

Uhh do you know what 'oblivious' means ? Because if your first sentence was any form of response, it made absolutely no sense.

For the topic at hand, you're not getting the point. I've raised the GOVT CONTROLLED media, and you're countering it with GOVT CONTROLLED entities like CDCs.

And the streets of Singapore can deceive you. You think the government will allow the poor and homeless to loiter around densely populated areas ? For people like me and you to observe and then criticize govt policy ? Ever wondered why begging is outlawed ? Ever wondered how NKF so easily finds those heart wrenching "case studies" broadcast during the charity shows ?

You ask me to open my eyes, you think yours are open because you can SEE that nothing seems to be wrong. Try not to believe everything you see. I should be the one asking you .. "And you persist on living in fantasy?". This reality you believe so much in, is not real.

Ask the guy who sleeps at playgrounds.

I know of a guy who sleeps at playgrounds, he is a foreign worker, and prefers the open space than to his packed dorm. He is a responsibility of his country, not ours, though we can only help him so much, for we have our own citizens to care of.

Seems that your intention here is not for intelligent discourse but to ridicule with closeminded and blind nonsense. Need i reply to you any further?

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by HyperionDCZ @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:17:53 +0800

HyperionDCZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:17:53 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

And you persist on living in fantasy?

MCD is an open book. CDCs are an open book. The streets of Singapore are an open book. Open your eyes instead of having it clouded with your delusions and attempts to fool others.

Uhh do you know what 'oblivious' means ? Because if your first sentence was any form of response, it made absolutely no sense.

For the topic at hand, you're not getting the point. I've raised the GOVT CONTROLLED media, and you're countering it with GOVT CONTROLLED entities like CDCs.

And the streets of Singapore can deceive you. You think the government will allow the poor and homeless to loiter around densely populated areas ? For people like me and you to observe and then criticize govt policy ? Ever wondered why begging is outlawed ? Ever wondered how NKF so easily finds those heart wrenching "case studies" broadcast during the charity shows ?

You ask me to open my eyes, you think yours are open because you can SEE that nothing seems to be wrong. Try not to believe everything you see. I should be the one asking you .. "And you persist on living in fantasy?". This reality you believe so much in, is not real.

Ask the guy who sleeps at playgrounds.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Point_blank @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:02:02 +0800

Point_blank — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:02:02 +0800

Originally posted by HyperionDCZ:

You seem quite oblivious to reality eh ?

All those rhetorical questions. The homeless, the poor, the deprived, the sick, the whatever else you mentioned. Who's telling you about them ? The straits times ? the govt regulated internet ? Please ...

And you persist on living in fantasy?

MCD is an open book. CDCs are an open book. The streets of Singapore are an open book. Open your eyes instead of having it clouded with your delusions and attempts to fool others.

Right now, everyone is feeling the inflationary pinch, not just us singaporeans. It is phenomenon of the world's doing and not our nation's policies.

I will not compare worse of nations, for we can do better, and that is what our govt and responsible citizens are doing, to find pragmatic solutions to help everyone of us, by action and not by mere words.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by HyperionDCZ @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:21:02 +0800

HyperionDCZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:21:02 +0800

Originally posted by Point_blank:

Robert, your points are moot, because we will not know the truth of what will happen one way or another. It is easy to upon hindsight to claim so and so could have done a better job. But we do not live in a flux - critical decisions have to be made daily to ensure the survival of a People.

The point of it all is, were we better off than our forefathers in pre-independence days or not? Are there homeless citizens in the streets of their own choice? Are the poor neglected? Are our children deprive of best education? Are those who were harmed by the elements not helped by the govt or community help groups? Are the old and infirm denied of medical aid?

Search your heart and you will be to answer those questions and seek the truth deep within you.

You seem quite oblivious to reality eh ?

All those rhetorical questions. The homeless, the poor, the deprived, the sick, the whatever else you mentioned. Who's telling you about them ? The straits times ? the govt regulated internet ? Please ...

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Point_blank @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:12:01 +0800

Point_blank — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:12:01 +0800

Originally posted by robertteh:

Point_blank,

If among our leaders we have the luck of a leader like Dr. Toh Chin Chye to continue to take charge instead of being out-maneurved into early retirement on some dubious ground like renewal of old blood with new blood, today Singapore might well be rising above the subsistence struggle seen of our economy.

Only such qualities as mentioned in the foregoing as possessed by ex-president Ong Teng Cheong, Dr. Toh Chin Chye and Dr. Goh Keng Swee who are dedicated and selfless and of virtue could succeed in righting our present wrongs in the system and take us higher.

Robert, your points are moot, because we will not know the truth of what will happen one way or another. It is easy to upon hindsight to claim so and so could have done a better job. But we do not live in a flux - critical decisions have to be made daily to ensure the survival of a People.

The point of it all is, were we better off than our forefathers in pre-independence days or not? Are there homeless citizens in the streets of their own choice? Are the poor neglected? Are our children deprive of best education? Are those who were harmed by the elements not helped by the govt or community help groups? Are the old and infirm denied of medical aid?

Search your heart and you will be to answer those questions and seek the truth deep within you.

PS: If you want me to reply you again, please do not make references to that asswipe atobe. He/She has no credibility to engage in any intellectual excercises for she/he knows only to twist her words, spread lies and half truths, talk more crap then to deal with issues.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by HyperionDCZ @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:40:35 +0800

HyperionDCZ — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:40:35 +0800

Originally posted by Atobe:

Are you not a 'word whore' with your stupendous juvenile ability at verbage - as seen in your creative production of vulgarities.

IRONY ?? HAHAHA

"I am positively absolutely definitely unequivocally not a word whore"

"There are absolutely no true statements"

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Tianxiawudi @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:28:25 +0800

Tianxiawudi — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:28:25 +0800

The perception then was on public service – serving the public and forgoing certain monetary benefits that could otherwise be earned in the private sector. The view that public servants should be remunerated justly but never lucratively helped to attract abled and public spirited people to serve in the sector. However, as of present, fat paychecks have superseded the holistic nature of public service and thus the aptitude and quality of those who serve.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Atobe @ Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:51:32 +0800

Atobe — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 02:51:32 +0800

robberteh,

It is 'pointless' to believe that you can convince a 'Point_blank' person to appreciate what you have posted, even if he claim that your works are food for thought.

Can a 'Point_blank' mind think ?

Do not be surprised when he will ask you for proof to substantiate what you have just posted - as if he will know how to evaluate with a 'Point_blank' mind and make any logical conclusion.

A 'Point_blank' mind is like an A4 blank sheet of white paper, with only one tiny black dot on the paper.

Can such a mind go beyond the edge of its A4 'Point_blank' size ?

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by robertteh @ Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:59:41 +0800

robertteh — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:59:41 +0800

Point_blank,

Atobe is right in his perspective. If among our leaders we have the luck of a leader like Dr. Toh Chin Chye to continue to take charge instead of being out-maneurved into early retirement on some dubious ground like renewal of old blood with new blood, today Singapore might well be rising above the subsistence struggle seen of our economy.

Deng Xiao Peng was another good example. Although he held political power but he stepped aside setting a personal example of that kind of leadership renewal China needed to survive in a different age.

After Deng has set a good personal example of himself, the next crop of leaders in communist China began to work selflessly obeying somewhat the precedence set by the highly respected Deng and China has succeeded in throwing up further batches of good leaders from Chiang Jeming to Hu Jin Tao and Wen Jia Bao.

It is morality, selfishlessness, dedication, uprightness, and virtue which are more powerful forces than plain legalistic tweaking which will only produce such self-glorifying elites as we now see.

It is hoped that we have the luck to produce another good crop of leaders equal to Deng Xia Peng or Hu Jin Tao and Wen Jia Bao.

Only such qualities as mentioned in the foregoing as possessed by ex-president Ong Teng Cheong, Dr. Toh Chin Chye and Dr. Goh Keng Swee who are dedicated and selfless and of virtue could succeed in righting our present wrongs in the system and take us higher.

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by purpledragon84 @ Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:06:31 +0800

purpledragon84 — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:06:31 +0800

Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:

Ouch... ownage...

i lol-ed at Atobe's reply but i lol-ed even harder at ur reply.. took the words out of my mouth lol..

The Culture of Fear and Selfish Existence in our society replied by Tianxiawudi @ Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:37:06 +0800

Tianxiawudi — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:37:06 +0800

Can Palestinians and Jews ever be friends?

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