http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 en-US 60 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by £Ĭ€ڰ:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> I am not sure if you are aware that&nbsp;one&nbsp;of the main&nbsp;reason why the ruling party of Malaysia lost so many seats during the last election is because of internet forums and blogs. For someone like Dr. Chee, I think internet forums will be the PERFECT place&nbsp;for him to&nbsp;spread his "teaching" because&nbsp;he knows that he wont get sue for spreading lies about the government.&nbsp;</p> <p>If you are SDP, wont you consider that as a better alternative than staging useless demostration?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>What I am sure of is that unlike Malaysia, if this forum and other local forums were really&nbsp;run by SDP, our government will have no problems finding out about it and then making the move on them as&nbsp;they have done&nbsp;before. They have the means to do so, and simply can't wait to do so if they was the case. The PAP would not need to organize a "counter-insurgency" if they were all simply SDP astroturfers, they could simply move in and charge them for slander or what have you not as they have done so many times before.</p> <p>Unfortunately if the users here are ordinary citizens who are speaking out not from any agenda of any organization, then it's much harder to "handle" them.</p> <p>Anyway the biggest&nbsp;PAP&nbsp;turnoff factor for me,&nbsp;and I suspect a lot of others, is not&nbsp;rabid anti-PAP sentiment which the more level headed can easily see through, but rather the way some PAP supporters react and respond to real issues.</p> <p>Now that is the real turnoff,&nbsp;many can ignore Dr Chee as a fringe radical, but most will not be able to take Mrs. Goh's dismissive "peanuts" comment on the NKF saga.</p> Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:13:01 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8181984 SingaporeTyrannosaur http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by £Ĭ€ڰ:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> I am not sure if you are aware that&nbsp;one&nbsp;of the main&nbsp;reason why the ruling party of Malaysia lost so many seats during the last election is because of internet forums and blogs. For someone like Dr. Chee, I think internet forums will be the PERFECT place&nbsp;for him to&nbsp;spread his "teaching" because&nbsp;he knows that he wont get sue for spreading lies about the government.&nbsp;</p> <p>If you are SDP, wont you consider that as a better alternative than staging useless demostration?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> You think. I think. He thinks. She thinks.&nbsp;Who confirm?</p> <p>In case you don't know, it's "supporters of PAP" like you who turn neutral parties off. If that's your goal, I can tell you that you have succeeded; the internet forum is PERFECT for you to&nbsp;direct neutral parties away from the PAP.</p> Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:48:15 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8181181 eagle http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Genie99a:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>There is a better medium to corrupt the mind if used for that purpose..... the television and the newspaper.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>And probably because the forumners are faceless do they dare to speak their mind? Or do you not condone speaking your mind.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>"......and seldom do anybody question what you said as long as you are criticizing the government."</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>That is a bias assumption. I&nbsp;assume the moderators do not prevent pro government forumners from posting here and if you feel that pro-government threads gets flamed alot .... well maybe thats because theres alot of people not agreeing to govt policies.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Make your own assumption .... pro-pap or not.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Well said</p> <p>TS&nbsp;seems not to&nbsp;be able to defend his claim against this post.</p> Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:42:55 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8181173 eagle http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by £Ĭ€ڰ:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> I am not sure if you are aware that&nbsp;one&nbsp;of the main&nbsp;reason why the ruling party of Malaysia lost so many seats during the last election is because of internet forums and blogs. For someone like Dr. Chee, I think internet forums will be the PERFECT place&nbsp;for him to&nbsp;spread his "teaching" because&nbsp;he knows that he wont get sue for spreading lies about the government.&nbsp;</p> <p>If you are SDP, wont you consider that as a better alternative than staging useless demostration?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>PAP reap what they sow.</p> Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:02:19 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8181058 Midlusionz http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>And it's not only the case in here, just look around other popular local forums like HWZ and the like...</p> <p>Unless SDP or what have you not are so free to spend their time trying to astroturf so many local forums, we can only conclude that this is more a reflection of the sentiment on the ground then conspiracies.</p> <p>This also means that whatever "counter-insurgencies" some&nbsp;organization is waging...</p> <p>It's not working.&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> I am not sure if you are aware that&nbsp;one&nbsp;of the main&nbsp;reason why the ruling party of Malaysia lost so many seats during the last election is because of internet forums and blogs. For someone like Dr. Chee, I think internet forums will be the PERFECT place&nbsp;for him to&nbsp;spread his "teaching" because&nbsp;he knows that he wont get sue for spreading lies about the government.&nbsp;</p> <p>If you are SDP, wont you consider that as a better alternative than staging useless demostration?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:07:34 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8180960 £Ĭ€ڰ http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>And it's not only the case in here, just look around other popular local forums like HWZ and the like...</p> <p>Unless SDP or what have you not are so free to spend their time trying to astroturf so many local forums, we can only conclude that this is more a reflection of the sentiment on the ground then conspiracies.</p> <p>This also means that whatever "counter-insurgencies" some&nbsp;organization is waging...</p> <p>It's not working.&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>I concur the above.</p> Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:26:05 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8180201 Civilgoh http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <p>And it's not only the case in here, just look around other popular local forums like HWZ and the like...</p> <p>Unless SDP or what have you not are so free to spend their time trying to astroturf so many local forums, we can only conclude that this is more a reflection of the sentiment on the ground then conspiracies.</p> <p>This also means that whatever "counter-insurgencies" some&nbsp;organization is waging...</p> <p>It's not working.&nbsp;</p> Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:24:25 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8180198 SingaporeTyrannosaur http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by £Ϊ€ڰ:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> The benefits for using a public forum like this is that you are faceless, you are not accountable for what you said and seldom do anybody question what you said as long as you are criticizing the government.</p> <p>Dont under estimate the power of this forum, this is a very effective mind corruptor and it is free.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>There is a better medium to corrupt the mind if used for that purpose..... the television and the newspaper.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>And probably because the forumners are faceless do they dare to speak their mind? Or do you not condone speaking your mind.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>"......and seldom do anybody question what you said as long as you are criticizing the government."</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>That is a bias assumption. I&nbsp;assume the moderators do not prevent pro government forumners from posting here and if you feel that pro-government threads gets flamed alot .... well maybe thats because theres alot of people not agreeing to govt policies.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Make your own assumption .... pro-pap or not.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:12:27 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8178809 Genie99a http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by £Ĭ€ڰ:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>ST, may i know how can you be so&nbsp;sure that there are no SDP undercover agents working and running&nbsp;this forum?</p> <p>I have already given my explanation in this thread&nbsp;on why I said so, if you think otherwise, I think&nbsp;the least you could do is to give&nbsp;us some of your explanation, or you will risk being seen as a&nbsp;victim of&nbsp;SDP's&nbsp;product in this forum. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Oooh man you're right...</p> <p>How do we know you're not one of them?</p> Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:58:23 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8178788 SingaporeTyrannosaur http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> I think the more you try to go down this line of argument, the more you destroy your own credibility, ironically having the opposite effect you planned...</p> <p>Hmm...</p> <p>Wait a minute...</p> <p>How do we know that you're NOT an SDP agent flying a false flag operation in here by trying to potray PAP supporters as totally retarded by your behaviour in here?</p> <p><a href= "http://www.esreality.com/files/inlineimages/2008/63561-roflcopter.jpg" rel="nofollow"></a></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>ST, may i know how can you be so&nbsp;sure that there are no SDP undercover agents working and running&nbsp;this forum?</p> <p>I have already given my explanation in this thread&nbsp;on why I said so, if you think otherwise, I think&nbsp;the least you could do is to give&nbsp;us some of your explanation, or you will risk being seen as a&nbsp;victim of&nbsp;SDP's&nbsp;product in this forum. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:25:33 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8178078 £Ĭ€ڰ http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <p>nope but last i checked, the way it's being administered, very much the sad sordid result of brainwashing by MIW.</p> Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:29:48 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8177722 soleachip http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by £Ĭ€ڰ:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>I suspect that Poh Ah Pak and Atobe are both SDP undercover agents. What do you think?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> I think the more you try to go down this line of argument, the more you destroy your own credibility, ironically having the opposite effect you planned...</p> <p>Hmm...</p> <p>Wait a minute...</p> <p>How do we know that you're NOT an SDP agent flying a false flag operation in here by trying to potray PAP supporters as totally retarded by your behaviour in here?</p> <p><img src= "http://www.esreality.com/files/inlineimages/2008/63561-roflcopter.jpg" alt="" /><a href= "http://www.esreality.com/files/inlineimages/2008/63561-roflcopter.jpg" rel="nofollow"></a></p> Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:27:33 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8177715 SingaporeTyrannosaur http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Civilgoh:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> I second that.&nbsp;&nbsp; Tell us if the govt practises double standard, ha ha ha.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>LOL shush... let him talk =p</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:20:53 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8176014 Midlusionz http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Midlusionz:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Just list it all out .. How are the goverment taking care of us etc etc and such.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> I second that.&nbsp;&nbsp; Tell us if the govt practises double standard, ha ha ha.</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:17:47 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8176002 Civilgoh http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Civilgoh:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Let us hear what crap he will use to support what he is doing to the forumers here.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Just list it all out .. How are the goverment taking care of us etc etc and such.</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:16:53 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175999 Midlusionz http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Midlusionz:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Let's listen to why is he so supportive..I am pretty interested.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Let us hear what crap he will use to support what he is doing to the forumers here.</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:15:27 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175995 Civilgoh http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Civilgoh:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Because he is a true blue lackey, a blind one.&nbsp;&nbsp; He is here with the purpose of opposing all the facts and reality stated about PAP to shut the mouths of people exposing the PAP.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is mission impossible.&nbsp; We will not because of him and stop talking about facts and reality.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Let's listen to why is he so supportive..I am pretty interested.</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:14:25 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175991 Midlusionz http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by £Ĭ€ڰ:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>If you insist, I would like to quote you the following statement which you made in another thread. Do you have the facts (not personal opinion)&nbsp;to support your accusation that the figures published&nbsp;by our government&nbsp;is not accurate? Or are you simply&nbsp;making baseless accusation that&nbsp;the government of lying&nbsp;so that it will give your more&nbsp;reasons to convince others that Singapore government is crap?&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Go on your effort to stop people from talking about the govt, you are not going to succeed, Troll.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You are on mission impossible, lackey.</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:14:01 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175989 Civilgoh http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Midlusionz:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> It's not about basic english or what now.. Is why is one denying the facts when facts are everywhere in his everyday life. Living in indenial.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Because he is a true blue lackey, a blind one.&nbsp;&nbsp; He is here with the purpose of opposing all the facts and reality stated about PAP to shut the mouths of people exposing the PAP.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is mission impossible.&nbsp; We will not because of him and stop talking about facts and reality.</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:12:53 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175986 Civilgoh http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Civilgoh:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Why don't you prove that people here spread lies, manipulating facts and accusation?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why are you so agitated by what I said if you are not a blind lackey of PAP?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; YOu want to know the meaning of obectively, please go check dictionary.&nbsp;&nbsp; YOu are a troll here.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>If you insist, I would like to quote you the following statement which you made in another thread. Do you have the facts (not personal opinion)&nbsp;to support your accusation that the figures published&nbsp;by our government&nbsp;is not accurate? Or are you simply&nbsp;making baseless accusation that&nbsp;the government of lying&nbsp;so that it will give your more&nbsp;reasons to convince others that Singapore government is crap?&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Civilgoh:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>How accurate is the figure on STs, I really doubt.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Time and again I hear people around me saying if possible they want to migrate.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There are people with children residing overseas and are getting their parents to join them.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Some are on scholarship overseas and plan to work and stay permanently there.&nbsp;&nbsp; Few I know of are preparing to study overseas and plan not to return to Singapore after their study.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sad to see more leaving.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>I just spoke to a PR cleaner and she says she is planning to apply for PR and &nbsp;does not mind becoming a Singapore citizen&nbsp;and she does not know&nbsp;very well how the gahmen in Singapore works.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I told her about our ruling party and after that she says she rather earn $$$ and return to China and going to stay on already.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have met many from China who told me they are not interested to make Singapore their country but just want to earn big bucks here and get lost.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:12:15 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175982 £Ĭ€ڰ http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Civilgoh:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Don't understand how a person can interpret people who merely state facts and reality as people spreading lies, manipulating facts and accusation.&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps, he would like to go back to school to learn basic English.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> It's not about basic english or what now.. Is why is one denying the facts when facts are everywhere in his everyday life. Living in indenial.</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:09:51 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175976 Midlusionz http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Midlusionz:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> So u do stand by Singapore eh? I wanna see how long can you do that.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Don't understand how a person can interpret people who merely state facts and reality as people spreading lies, manipulating facts and accusation.&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps, he would like to go back to school to learn basic English.</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:03:39 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175959 Civilgoh http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by £Ĭ€ڰ:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> I&nbsp;would be very keen to know what is your interpretation of the word "objectively" Spreading lies,&nbsp;manipulating facts and accusation&nbsp;without any facts is being objective? &nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> So u do stand by Singapore eh? I wanna see how long can you do that.</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:58:36 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175945 Midlusionz http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by £Ĭ€ڰ:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> I&nbsp;would be very keen to know what is your interpretation of the word "objectively" Spreading lies,&nbsp;manipulating facts and accusation&nbsp;without any facts is being objective? &nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Why don't you prove that people here spread lies, manipulating facts and accusation?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Why are you so agitated by what I said if you are not a blind lackey of PAP?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; YOu want to know the meaning of obectively, please go check dictionary.&nbsp;&nbsp; YOu are a troll here.</p> <p>I</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:45:52 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175905 Civilgoh http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Civilgoh:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>For people here speaking objectively about the PAP are regarded by people working as undercover agents for SDP.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What kind of logic is this?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So all who speak well, praise PAP are also undercover agents of PAP.&nbsp;&nbsp; What a joke.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> I&nbsp;would be very keen to know what is your interpretation of the word "objectively" Spreading lies,&nbsp;manipulating facts and accusation&nbsp;without any facts is being objective? &nbsp;</p> Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:40:52 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:320545:8175891 £Ĭ€ڰ http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/320545