Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:21:25 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:21:25 +0800

65 PEOPLE FALL ILL IN SINGAPORE DUE TO BAD WATER SUPPLY!

WATER CONTAMINATION AT BUKIT TIMAH PLAZA

Of nearly 1000 buildings inspected by the Public Utilities Board over the past month, 49 were found to have sanitary pipes above water tanks. The PUB said the management corporations of the 49 affected buildings have been asked to redirect the sanitary pipes or relocate the water tanks.

Bukit Timah Plaza's management corporation is facing legal action for gross negligence in allowing sewage to contaminate the building's water supply system. The filthy water has made at least 65 people fall ill since last week. The Public Utilities Board (PUB) and the Ministry of Environment (ENV) said on Thursday 23 Aug 2000 that their investigations showed that the management corporation had "grossly neglected its duty" to maintain the complex's water supply and internal sewage-piping systems.

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:16:12 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:16:12 +0800

dear lionnoisy

singapore got water poor medical care

what's the point?

even world-class nuh cannot keep their toliet in ICU clean!

is this acceptable?

clean water, but unclean hospitals:

"Public toilets at NUH in shocking state

BETWEEN Feb 3 and 11, I had to go to National University Hospital (NUH) daily because a family member was hospitalised. The medical care was excellent and the nurses professional and kind. However, the standard of hygiene in the public toilets left much to be desired. To put it bluntly, they were disgusting and, given our reputation for cleanliness and efficiency, quite disgraceful.

I had to use the men's toilets on the ground floor and the shared individual cubicles on the sixth floor regularly. The floors were inevitably sopping with used paper towels strewn about. The toilet seats were broken, unhinged, wet, stained or all of the above. Needless to say, the stench was unbearable.

What I found most distressing was the sorry state of the shared cubicle outside the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) on the second floor. Metres from what is supposed to be a sterile environment, the tap above the sink in the cubicle was not even working. There was no sterilised mat at the entrance of the ICU, which meant anyone who had just stepped out of the toilet would carry whatever creepy crawlies their shoes picked up from the wet floor into the ICU.

Excuses of constant human traffic and insufficient cleaning staff cut no ice with me. The standard of hygiene in a hospital is supposed to be - pardon the pun - whiter than white. If NUH cannot rely on toilet users to be civilised, it should increase the number of times the toilets are cleaned every day. "

Even toliet outside ICU dunt work! what if one day your love one in ICU and gets infected becos germs from toliet comes into ICU in so-call world class hospital?

want yr world class hospital toliet to look like this?

dunt say i anyhow say this or that good or bad. news is out there go see

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by SingaporeTyrannosaur @ Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:14:36 +0800

SingaporeTyrannosaur — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:14:36 +0800

Singapore's Poor

No poverty in S'pore? Think again.

Singapore's poor emerge as delicate political issue

Asian Wall Street Journal
January 30, 2007
SINGAPORE

By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV

DURING rush hour in Singapore's ultramodern subway system, wrinkled old ladies squat on the underpass floor with handfuls of small tissue packets that they sell at one Singapore dollar, or 65 US cents, apiece.

These are the poor of Singapore, left behind by the boom that has transformed this tropical island of 4.5 million people into a regional business, finance and technology hub. Poverty here isn't nearly as desperate as in its Asian neighbors, or even many Western societies. But it has become an increasingly sensitive political issue, prompting new tax and social policies that the government is expected to unveil in the annual budget presentation Feb 15.

According to official statistics, at least 40% of Singapore's households saw their real incomes decrease from 2000-2005 -- while the overall economy posted some of the world's highest growth rates, surging by 7.7% last year.

"The question is, who is all this growth for?" says Manu Bhaskaran, an adjunct fellow at Singapore's Institute of Policy Studies and a partner at the Centennial Group, an advisory firm. "Shouldn't the government be aiming for lower growth, but better distribution? "

The government's strategy so far is to pursue a balancing act of generating more revenue for helping the poor without scaring off the global investors who have long been attracted by the city-state's low-tax regime. "The dual objective is to ensure that the Singaporean economy continues to remain competitive, and to strengthen the inclusiveness of Singaporean society," says Lim Swee Say, secretary-general of the National Trades Union Congress and a government minister.

Most of Singapore's poor are in their 50s or older, and many are onetime manufacturing workers who lost their jobs to cheaper competitors in China, Vietnam or India. Many lack education and English-language skills that are needed to prosper in expanding sectors such as services and finance.

It is only in recent months that senior officials began to speak out on the problem of structural poverty, recognizing the potential perils for a multiracial, multireligious society such as Singapore's. "It is essential for us to tilt the balance in favor of lower-income Singaporeans, because globalization is going to strain our social compact," Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said in a speech last fall.

Singapore's People's Action Party, founded by Mr Lee's father Lee Kuan Yew -- who is still a senior government member with the title of Minister Mentor -- has controlled the island since independence in 1965, winning nearly every seat in parliamentary elections. The country's mixed population of Chinese, Malays and Indians has accepted decades of the PAP's often authoritarian rule in exchange for phenomenal economic growth that has transformed this former British trading outpost into one of the world's most prosperous states.

While providing subsidized housing and health care, Singapore's government has long resisted calls for European-style unemployment benefits for the poor, describing welfare as a "dirty word" and rejecting the idea of a minimum wage. Instead, the government has come up with the concept of "workfare" -- a large-scale program to top off the incomes of those Singaporeans who accept low-paid work. Details of the program will likely be given in the budget presentation.

"We can't stop the income gap from widening because the wages are determined by the global competition for knowledge workers, and by the excessive supply of unskilled workers," says Mr. Lim, the minister and union leader. "But what we're trying to do is to make sure that the widening income gap doesn't necessarily translate into a widening social gap."

Most developed economies fund such social programs by redistributing wealth through progressive taxation: the top-bracket federal income tax rate is 35% in the US, and at least 40% in most of Western Europe. But Singapore is ideologically opposed to this model: the island-state has been steadily slashing its top income-tax rate, from 55% at independence in 1965 to 28% in 2000, to 20% today. Making up for the shortfall in revenue, Singapore established a general sales tax, currently at 5%.

It is the sales tax that the government is planning to tap again to pay for the "workfare" initiative. According to Mr Lee, with the new budget the sales tax is likely to rise to 7% -- a measure that, economists calculate, will generate some S$1.5 billion of extra government revenue.

The plan is far from popular. In the two months since Mr Lee in November first mentioned a likely sales-tax rise, the proposal elicited unusually vocal criticism from Singapore's corporate world and opposition leaders alike. The influential Singapore Chinese Chamber of Commerce and Industry complained the sales-tax increase is "likely to have an immediate and detrimental effect on local spending," undermining Singapore's long-term competitiveness.

Sylvia Lim, leader of the Singapore Workers' Party and an opposition Parliament member, also pointed out that the poor -- the ostensible beneficiaries of the proposal -- would be hurt the most. "We need to strengthen our safety nets through some redistributive policies," she asserted, adding that consumption taxes, such as the sales tax, "are generally regressive and likely to compound the underclass problem."

While the government usually ignores the minuscule opposition in this tightly regulated country, the business community's pleas found a receptive audience. Aware that corporate taxes are even lower in rival business centers such as Hong Kong and Ireland, Singapore signaled it would sweeten the pill for businesses: To compensate for the higher sales tax, the corporate tax rate, currently 20%, would be shaved by at least one percentage point.

"This is a tough and competitive world," Minister Mentor Lee told Singaporean journalists as he explained the planned corporate-tax cut. "People don't come here because they like Singapore -- they come because the returns are better."

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Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by lionnoisy @ Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:28:57 +0800

lionnoisy — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:28:57 +0800

SE Queensland,(including Brisbane) water storge reached

20% of Total Capacity in Jan 2008

They are still arguing if they need to build recycling water plants!!

Water level dropped from 60% in early 2004 to only 20%

in Jan 2008!!That is about 10% point per year.

i must admit that in any 6 months,water level can increase

by 20 % point .But what if no rains fall in few more years....

I dunt think this is a good way to run a state.

No citizen shall face the threat of water shortage.

This threat also drive away potential investors.

http://www.seqwater.com.au/content/standard.asp?name=DamOperationsandMaintenance

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Can the vast catchment areas near Brisbane

compsensate for lower rainfall and drought?

All together,the catchment is 7400 km sq for

SE QLD,including Brisbane.

Rainfall about 1175 mm.Population about 2.6 million for SE QLD.

Compared with Singapore,Local catchment is currently

about 350 km sq(half of main island) and rainfall 2200 mm,

providing half of water demand for 4.8 million population.

That is 1.30 million m3 x 50%=650,000 m3 a day can be extracted

from SG local catchment!!

@@@@@@@@@@

The dams are near Brisbane--

Wivenhoe Dam--

catchment area of the dam is 5554 square kilometres.,

hold back a further 1.45 million megalitres as well as its normal storage capacity of 1.16 million megalitres.

Somerset Dam--

catchment area of the dam is 1503 square kilometres.

The storage capacity of the dam at the top of the Spillway Gates is 904,000 megalitres. The present storage capacity reserved for water supply services is 380,000 megalitres,

North Pine Dam--348 square kilometre catchment area with an average annual rainfall of 1175mm. The dam stores 215,000 megalitres of water

Is it safe?

In this Platinum 4 and MP4 era,is it funnny a learned OZ professor

and Australians still doubt the safety of recycling water.

The millions of lawyers in USA will not miss this opportunity to

sue local,state and Federal gavaman in cyclying water!!

Califorians have been drinking recycling water for few decades!!

Nats' 'kooky voodoo' water science

Ms Bligh attacked critics of the plan in parliament as National Health and Medical Research Council water quality advisory committee head Don Bursill cautioned that recycled water posed additional risks to supplies.

Professor Bursill said the risk would be acceptably low if Queensland followed national recycled water guidelines, as the state had indicated it would, but it was preferable to rely on conventional sources.

Recycled sewage and industrial waste will constitute between 10per cent and 25per cent of the water supply in southeast Queensland from early next year.

Ms Bligh and Deputy Premier Paul Lucas ridiculed the Opposition's policy not to proceed with the water plan unless storages in the region fell below 40per cent capacity. They presently average just over 40per cent.

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Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by Mostwanted5125 @ Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:11:21 +0800

Mostwanted5125 — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:11:21 +0800

Originally posted by angel7030:

ya, hopefully, but in term of water contamination, it does mean it will take effect immediately, it may take years or decades to realise that there is water contamination in recycling that link to peoples suffering from a same of kind of illness leading to premature death.

By then, how to sue them??

I am stumped. Sorry, I am not sure how to go about sueing them.

But I remember a case where a town in the USA where cancer and deformation among kids were high. A mother does her own research and confirm her suspicions that the water they drank was contaminated.

If u wish, u can do ur own research, but u need to fork out money of ur own. There are private chem labs that will do analysis for u, but money is needed of course.

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by angel7030 @ Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:17:13 +0800

angel7030 — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:17:13 +0800

same goes to smoking cigarette, US tabacco co. was sued by individuals who prove that smoking lead to lung cancer and other illness...very soon, H/Phones may come into the picture.

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by angel7030 @ Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:15:31 +0800

angel7030 — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:15:31 +0800

Originally posted by Mostwanted5125:

Well, What can we as peasent do? Just pray pray nothing goes wrong lo.
Btw the safety factor is quite high. It was proven b4 by some of my engine research fren.

Hopefully nothing really goes wrong!

ya, hopefully, but in term of water contamination, it does mean it will take effect immediately, it may take years or decades to realise that there is water contamination in recycling that link to peoples suffering from a same of kind of illness leading to premature death.

By then, how to sue them??

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by lionnoisy @ Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:36:05 +0800

lionnoisy — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:36:05 +0800

Ask your parents and grand parents

They have been drinking local extracted water for few decades lah!!

SG has been extracting water on this tiny island since 1965.

The catchment area grew from a dot to half of the main island.

It will cover two third of the main island,after completion of

Puggnol and Serganoon Reservoirs by damming the 2 rivers.

Marina Reservior is only a mid- way reservoir or holding reservoir

Due to its small capacity,it just collect water from the 100 km2

catchment which is the most urbanized area among all catchments.

The water then will be pumped into other bigger impounding reservoirs

under Marina Reservoir Circulation Scheme.

PUB -

Overview of Singapore---water biz

FYI.California,ie LA etc have been drinking recycling water for decades.

USA lawyers will not miss this golden opportunity if the water

is not suitable for drinking!!

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by Mostwanted5125 @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:16:50 +0800

Mostwanted5125 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:16:50 +0800

Originally posted by angel7030:

Assume??? that will be assing u and me

Well, What can we as peasent do? Just pray pray nothing goes wrong lo.
Btw the safety factor is quite high. It was proven b4 by some of my engine research fren.

Hopefully nothing really goes wrong!

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by angel7030 @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:08:52 +0800

angel7030 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:08:52 +0800

Originally posted by Mostwanted5125:

No worries....Assuming nothing is wrong with the treatment plant, the water is definitely drinkable.

Assume??? that will be assing u and me

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by Mostwanted5125 @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:00:28 +0800

Mostwanted5125 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:00:28 +0800

No worries....Assuming nothing is wrong with the treatment plant, the water is definitely drinkable.

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by noahnoah @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:57:53 +0800

noahnoah — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:57:53 +0800

Originally posted by angel7030:

that day i saw a foreign worker urine at that reservoir leh, me see already run...

o damm it

like that i better go for body check up

later tainted dun know with wat sia

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by angel7030 @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:55:01 +0800

angel7030 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:55:01 +0800

Originally posted by noahnoah:

har singapore water got kiam kiam one?

ur water from east coast beach one har

mine not kiam kiam one

mine from bedok reservoir one leh

that day i saw a foreign worker urine at that reservoir leh, me see already run...

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by noahnoah @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:52:20 +0800

noahnoah — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:52:20 +0800

Originally posted by angel7030:

I will miss Malaysia water...,

Singapore water abit kiam kiam one

har singapore water got kiam kiam one?

ur water from east coast beach one har

mine not kiam kiam one

mine from bedok reservoir one leh

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by angel7030 @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:42:20 +0800

angel7030 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:42:20 +0800

I will miss Malaysia water...,

Singapore water abit kiam kiam one

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by angel7030 @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:40:42 +0800

angel7030 — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:40:42 +0800

Originally posted by Jacksngthepilot:

long long wall of texttttttt

no choice, all old uncles very talkative one lah, all like great wall of china, no ending, but as long as they like, let them be. That is why i never ban them. We must create some space for old peoples to express themselves

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by Jacksngthepilot @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:49:22 +0800

Jacksngthepilot — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:49:22 +0800

long long wall of texttttttt

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by lionnoisy @ Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:23:24 +0800

lionnoisy — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:23:24 +0800

many SG and Malaysia will think we need drink NEWater

becos we really have to.

Wrong.Only 1 % of the potable water come from sewage

recycleing water--NEWater.This is much less than the future Queensland--

Recycled sewage will comprise between 10 per cent and 25 per cent of the water supply for the 2.6million residents of southeast Queensland after flows to the Wivenhoe Dam from the Western Corridor Recycled Water Project begin early next year.

Singaporeans drink little recycled sewage

Greg Roberts the australian 05 nov 2008

Most of the NEWater go to factory ,office towers,wafer plants ,

etc for processing,air--cond cooling water etc.

In the Marina East new office towers,all

get cold water from District Cooling Plant.

There is no air--cond plants in the The building .

This save few % of gross floor area and increase owner rental income$$.

Singapore District Cooling

DISTRICT COOLING ACT 2001

The NEWater is very ultra clean , saving time and $$ to maintain the

pipies and machines!!

save energy and $$$ lah...

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by lionnoisy @ Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:36:02 +0800

lionnoisy — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:36:02 +0800

Tembusu Multi-Utilities Complex will start operating in 2011. -- PHOTOS: TUAS POWER

In 2007,SG use 35% less water to produce GDP$1 million than in 2002.

read below.

http://www.straitstimes.com/vgn-ext-templating/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2d8da628e5a9c110VgnVCM100000430a0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=f9a0758920e39010VgnVCM1000000a35010aRCRD

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/200078?page=2

No need worry about water supply

Before the NEWater and first desalination plant built by Hyflux

(the Hyflux plant subsequently

sold to Cityspring),50% of water demand came from Malaysia.see A

Let us see how SG to replace this 50%.

U wil say hi the demand will be increased.

I will answer u later.Currently,i estmate not more than 40% of water

comes from Malaysia.

Malaysia water,accounting for 50% of demand as at 2001,

have been replaced and will be replaced by:

30 % of SG demand by 2011:Few NEWater plants completed.30% when Changi
.................................WRP completed .15% currently from NEWater.
10% of SG demand: Hyflux Desalination Plant was completed in 2002.

7% desalination:Tuas Power 4-in-1 plant by 2011.
10% of SG demand:from increase of catchment area fr half of SG to two-third.
.........(Completion circa 2011.assume new catchment of 100 km2 not so effective.But May be .............more effective than existing catchment.)
8% of SG demand: from intergration of reservoirs est completion 2010.
10% of SG demand:from variable salinity plant which is in large scale demonstration level

If successful, it can potentially increase the water catchment area in Singapore from 67 per cent to 90 per cent.

let say also not so effective,
say 10 % of SG demand.

TOTAL:75% increase of suppply able to replace Malaysia's supply of 50%

in 2001 .Currently is estimated at not more than 40%.Hyflux desalination plant replaces the 10%!!

Sales of potable water still less than 2002

waste water can be treated to make NEWater and Industrial water.

Therefore,we just need to concern supply of raw water for potable water.

u may heard gavaman mentioned of 300 million gallon per day of water demand.

This include potable water and Industrial water,before NEWater and desalination

kicked in.This is equal to 1,320,000 cubic meter or 1.32 million m3.

In the beginning of this century,gavaman estimated water demand increase

to 400 mgd in 2011!!They are wrong for good and expected reasons--

advance in NEWater and desalination technology!!

Drops in water sales in 2002 to 2004 may be caused by bad economy!!

Not a good news.

Sales of water

year....................2002......03.........04.......05......06...07

population(m)......4.18.....4.11.....4.17....4.27...4.40...4.59#

Sale of potable...1,259...1,224...1,203....1206...1230...1248(m3..in 1000/day)
water.....consists of
Domestic...............687......690......686.....694..702...724( m3 in 1000/day)
Non--domestic.......572......534......517.....512...508...524( m3 in 1000/day)

Water treated..1,315...1,360....1,369.....1352...1399...1469( m3 in 1000/day)

to produce:

Sale of NEWater ....m3 in 1000/day............73.....81...134

Sale of Industrial water...m3 in 1000/day....107.....112...80

Unaccounted for water (%)..........................5.0.....4.5...4.4(leaking etc)

sale of potable water (domestci & non--domestic)in liters/per capita/day
...........................302(02)...............................275(06)..272(07)

Domestic water consumption.....................160.... 158... 157
per capita/litres/day (only 2005--2007 shown)

35% less Water used to produce same amount of GDP in 5 year

year....................2002......03.........04.......05......06...07

$m/GDP/day........432......444.......504.....545.....595....666 #

sale of domestic & non--domestic potable water m3/GDP $ 1m at current market price/day........2914....2757......2387....2212...2067...1874 m3

In 2007,SG use 35% less water to produce GDP$1 million than in 2002.

http://app.mewr.gov.sg/web/Contents/Contents.aspx?ContId=682

History of Catchment areas

Again,SG is one of the first countries to use highly urbanized areas

as water catchement areas.Any problems of the water?

Look at your old aged grand/parents.Are they ok?

Currently,half of the main Island is catchment which provides

half of water demand,ie about half of 1,250,000 m3 a day!!

Read the maps in this pagev for coverage of catchment.

Dunt litter for good reasons--dunt polluate your own drinking water!!

NOTE:

A.We can confirm from Malaysia that only half from MY!!

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/200078

B.NEWater is ultra pure water for manufacturing,washing,cooling,

air--conditioning(District Cooling Plant in CBD),making of IC wafers etc

C.Industrial water---lower grade water for industrail uses

...

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by lionnoisy @ Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:31:28 +0800

lionnoisy — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:31:28 +0800

New Tuas Clean-Coal Power Plant will add 7%(90,900 m3)

of Singapore water demand by desalination.

in end of September 2008,Tuas Power announced it will build a

clean-coal power generation 4- in-1 plant.

(u are right.I am the first to use the term 4- in-1 plant)

Complex A

Electricity generation----90 MW

desalination plant----20 million gallon per day or 90,909 m3

Steam capacity----900 tons per hour

Number of boilers----3 units

Types of fuel----biomass and coal

Compex B

water waste-treatment plant---1,000 m3 per hour

water treatment plant---1,500 m3 /hour

source--mypaper hard copy 26.09.2008 by marcel lee pereira

S'pore 1st clean-coal power plant

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by lionnoisy @ Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:00:43 +0800

lionnoisy — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:00:43 +0800

Below:the % of built up area in the new catchments (dark green)

of Marina and Seletar / Serangoon Reservoirs

are very high.I expect the yield of water extracted per km2 from

this new water catchment will be higher than existing catchment

(light brown).Blue are existing reservoirs.

Therefore,water extracteded from the future catchments in Singapore

,covering two-third of total land area of 709 km2,will be at least

70 % of local demand.

Above--orange is built up area.

http://www.intute.ac.uk/sciences/worldguide/html/1017_map.html#map2

http://www.newasia-singapore.com/map_of_singapore.html

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by redDUST @ Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:47:23 +0800

redDUST — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:47:23 +0800

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

Therefore,the NO NO of casino become YES YES.

Why?Jobs,stupid!!

this is a cowardly cop-out from the MIW. they are running out of ideas and compromizing on their own whiter-than-white principles of governance.

if the singapore press were independant, LKY would have been ridiculed publically for this reversal. i would have loved to see him eat humble pies in person.

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by Atobe @ Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:29:34 +0800

Atobe — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:29:34 +0800

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

our so called low income is better than middle class

in other countries.

Do our low income pple have to sell their kidney?

Do our graduates need go overseas work as maids?

Do not rely on academic figures too much.

u have look at Life from many aspects.

Do u need to carry a guns,like in Philippines,

if u want to protect your family?

Do u need to bribe to board a plane even all your papers

is in order?

Do you need worry your farms when the rivers sys going to

collapse?

When 20 to 30 % of water produced in other first world

cities gone missing and no body care too much,

SG is just about 5% in NON REVENUE WATER.

People will go to streets if the lifes is too hard.

NO police can stop them.

LKY knows too well and he still remember.

He was legal adviser to Labour Union.

People not coward,like CSJ or u guys think.

Long term rice bowls is more important than

short term glory of protests like u see in other countries.

Can u tell me,like our neighbours,how their lives

improved after so many protests?

Ask your maids at home!!

They have freedom to say they are hungry.

But so what?Few years later,they are still hungry,

sorry to say.

Here,so tell me?

PAP will lose many votes if they wait pple tell them

pple are hungry.

Therefore,the NO NO of casino become YES YES.

Why?Jobs,stupid!!

Casino wil cause troubles.But without it,u will get more

troubles.

Let me share with u technique of decision making.

Take the best policy in OVER ALL.

NOT the good one.

Our "low income" is better than the "middle income" in other countries ?

Which countries are you intending to compare with ?

Can we trust your technique of decision making - "Take the best policy OVERALL - NOT the good one" ?

When all the good one's are not taken, and all the mediocre ones are put together - {leaving out the bad and the worst} - do we need to wonder why Singapore is such a mediocre society and truly become a member of the First World Countries - but to live in the fantasies of the printed page of LKY's memoirs ?

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by lionnoisy @ Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:14:12 +0800

lionnoisy — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:14:12 +0800

our so called low income is better than middle class

in other countries.

Do our low income pple have to sell their kidney?

Do our graduates need go overseas work as maids?

Do not rely on academic figures too much.

u have look at Life from many aspects.

Do u need to carry a guns,like in Philippines,

if u want to protect your family?

Do u need to bribe to board a plane even all your papers

is in order?

Do you need worry your farms when the rivers sys going to

collapse?

When 20 to 30 % of water produced in other first world

cities gone missing and no body care too much,

SG is just about 5% in NON REVENUE WATER.

People will go to streets if the lifes is too hard.

NO police can stop them.

LKY knows too well and he still remember.

He was legal adviser to Labour Union.

People not coward,like CSJ or u guys think.

Long term rice bowls is more important than

short term glory of protests like u see in other countries.

Can u tell me,like our neighbours,how their lives

improved after so many protests?

Ask your maids at home!!

They have freedom to say they are hungry.

But so what?Few years later,they are still hungry,

sorry to say.

Here,so tell me?

PAP will lose many votes if they wait pple tell them

pple are hungry.

Therefore,the NO NO of casino become YES YES.

Why?Jobs,stupid!!

Casino wil cause troubles.But without it,u will get more

troubles.

Let me share with u technique of decision making.

Take the best policy in OVER ALL.

NOT the good one.

Bye Bye Malaysia water by 2011--Part 2 replied by Atobe @ Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:32:12 +0800

Atobe — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:32:12 +0800

Originally posted by tripwire:

if only you stupid people have followed chairman mao's words of wisdom long ago... there wont be any income gap in singapore!!

long live maoism......

Is there any use turning back the clock and not learning any lessons from it ?

Try not to trip over yourself and you may at least learn to begin in some lessons in humility by not taking youself so seriously; and learn from others whom you already had acknowledge "come from different background and experiences" - whose sum total experience surely far exceed that of your little pompous self ?

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