More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by whiskers @ Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:18:51 +0800

whiskers — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:18:51 +0800

Originally posted by HyperFocal:

Policies on ERP and COEs seem contradictory

Lee Su Shyan
Mon, Jun 30, 2008
The Straits Times

I AM puzzled by the recent announcements on the impending Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) rate changes, with effect from July7.

I vividly remember reading a Straits Times article in March or April this year on a Land Transport Authority (LTA) report on the benefits of introducing ERP in Orchard Road.

The report stated that before ERP was introduced, retailers were worried the measures would drive away customers.

However, instead of business going downhill, retailers in Orchard are enjoying record boom. One reason was that ERP deterred motorists who used Orchard Road as a thoroughfare, and genuine shoppers flocked there to shop. The report also stated that car speeds were an optimum 20kmh to 30kmh, and ERP gantries in Orchard succeeded in keeping down traffic.

Now, on June 17, the LTA announced that car speeds in Orchard have fallen considerably, ERP charges will go up from $1 to $2 and operating hours on Saturdays will be from 11.30am to 8pm.

My question is, who validates and verifies that cars are moving at optimum speed? Who checks these reports? Who decides that, three months ago, the speed was optimum, but now it is no longer so?

One possible reason is that there are more cars on the road now. Cars are cheaper, application for car loans is easier, COE prices have dropped considerably, and rebates are given to motorists who switch to CNG cars.

The LTA controls the number of COEs issued, and although it says it will control the number of COEs issued because of highly congested roads, many policies are implemented to make car ownership easier.

So why does the LTA continue to issue COEs, even though it stated in a report last year that COEs issued are way above the stipulated quota - 9 per cent instead of 3 per cent?

And after issuing so many COEs, the LTA introduces ERP gantries everywhere with higher prices and longer operating hours to discourage vehicle use. Why not control the issuing of COEs in the first place?

I hope the LTA can shed some light on these apparently contradictory policies.

Jennifer Wong (Ms)

Sounds like drug addiction leh...

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by HyperFocal @ Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:41:28 +0800

HyperFocal — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:41:28 +0800

Policies on ERP and COEs seem contradictory

Lee Su Shyan
Mon, Jun 30, 2008
The Straits Times

I AM puzzled by the recent announcements on the impending Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) rate changes, with effect from July7.

I vividly remember reading a Straits Times article in March or April this year on a Land Transport Authority (LTA) report on the benefits of introducing ERP in Orchard Road.

The report stated that before ERP was introduced, retailers were worried the measures would drive away customers.

However, instead of business going downhill, retailers in Orchard are enjoying record boom. One reason was that ERP deterred motorists who used Orchard Road as a thoroughfare, and genuine shoppers flocked there to shop. The report also stated that car speeds were an optimum 20kmh to 30kmh, and ERP gantries in Orchard succeeded in keeping down traffic.

Now, on June 17, the LTA announced that car speeds in Orchard have fallen considerably, ERP charges will go up from $1 to $2 and operating hours on Saturdays will be from 11.30am to 8pm.

My question is, who validates and verifies that cars are moving at optimum speed? Who checks these reports? Who decides that, three months ago, the speed was optimum, but now it is no longer so?

One possible reason is that there are more cars on the road now. Cars are cheaper, application for car loans is easier, COE prices have dropped considerably, and rebates are given to motorists who switch to CNG cars.

The LTA controls the number of COEs issued, and although it says it will control the number of COEs issued because of highly congested roads, many policies are implemented to make car ownership easier.

So why does the LTA continue to issue COEs, even though it stated in a report last year that COEs issued are way above the stipulated quota - 9 per cent instead of 3 per cent?

And after issuing so many COEs, the LTA introduces ERP gantries everywhere with higher prices and longer operating hours to discourage vehicle use. Why not control the issuing of COEs in the first place?

I hope the LTA can shed some light on these apparently contradictory policies.

Jennifer Wong (Ms)

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by balance_else_complacent @ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:59:27 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:59:27 +0800

Originally posted by Crimsonlknight:

Since when are their ideas good anyway? Many of their policies contradict each other. Dont even think they read or understand the contents before approving.....

Definitely not more good years ahead. Rather, more problems ahead.

You mean public opinion and opposition opinions should be consulted before passing any policy?

democracy?

I no no de.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by Crimsonlknight @ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:36:22 +0800

Crimsonlknight — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:36:22 +0800

Since when are their ideas good anyway? Many of their policies contradict each other. Dont even think they read or understand the contents before approving.....

Definitely not more good years ahead. Rather, more problems ahead.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by Midlusionz @ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:31:49 +0800

Midlusionz — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:31:49 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

no problem wans. Like those working in CBD area , its reported that their employers pay for their parking and maybe ERPs.

So, I think we should simply pass the cost to the employers who earns much more than they pay the employees. a few hundred or tens of dollars more a month paid to employees is really nothing if not zilch.

So, in my humble opine, its totally fair because, in this world, no one should owe anyone a living. If you are paid, better work for it. Else, you should be replaced. Even if you contributed for the last 40 odd years, no one owes you any shiit. You have been paid and like anyone else, in a democracy, you are expected to deliver and be accountable. You do not own the country.

If this guy buay song, no one will stop him from giving up his position for the next better player.

'this guy' and 'you' means people in general. no to offend anyone here. cheers!

The ERP of cos its useful towards Singaporeans but hey those malaysian traveling to and fro damn poor thing .. Unless something is done about malaysian .. Then i will said this is a good idea.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by Midlusionz @ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:29:32 +0800

Midlusionz — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:29:32 +0800

Originally posted by freedom4ever:

but our minister said that it is to improve the traffic flow.

what about residents at Toa Payoh, isn't that very unfair too?

I dun believe in "Our minister say this say that" thingy .. Do u know how many m'sian travel to and fro? As for the resident at TPY .. There's why they are complaining about it.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by balance_else_complacent @ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:48:54 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:48:54 +0800

Originally posted by Midlusionz:

How bout the malaysian who travel to and fro to work in SG? Isn't that very unfair?

no problem wans. Like those working in CBD area , its reported that their employers pay for their parking and maybe ERPs.

So, I think we should simply pass the cost to the employers who earns much more than they pay the employees. a few hundred or tens of dollars more a month paid to employees is really nothing if not zilch.

So, in my humble opine, its totally fair because, in this world, no one should owe anyone a living. If you are paid, better work for it. Else, you should be replaced. Even if you contributed for the last 40 odd years, no one owes you any shiit. You have been paid and like anyone else, in a democracy, you are expected to deliver and be accountable. You do not own the country.

If this guy buay song, no one will stop him from giving up his position for the next better player.

'this guy' and 'you' means people in general. no to offend anyone here. cheers!

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by deathmaster @ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:38:46 +0800

deathmaster — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:38:46 +0800

the gahmen is trying to herd us around like sheeps.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by nehpyh @ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:34:27 +0800

nehpyh — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:34:27 +0800

Someone intending to set up a Fight Club???

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by freedom4ever @ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:33:03 +0800

freedom4ever — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:33:03 +0800

Originally posted by Midlusionz:

How bout the malaysian who travel to and fro to work in SG? Isn't that very unfair?

but our minister said that it is to improve the traffic flow.

what about residents at Toa Payoh, isn't that very unfair too?

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by Midlusionz @ Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:07:41 +0800

Midlusionz — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:07:41 +0800

Originally posted by freedom4ever:

is there a place for me to give my suggestion to them?

i really hope there is an ERP at woodlands checkpoint. then next time i see where got jam i can go suggest to them also.

How bout the malaysian who travel to and fro to work in SG? Isn't that very unfair?

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by freedom4ever @ Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:56:44 +0800

freedom4ever — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:56:44 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

I think you have brought out the most overlooked aspect for ERP.

I kudos you.

I salute you.

If implemented, the woodland check point would be congestion free.

this is achieved by having a cheap ERP fee of $20 SGD per entry.

Like this, no need to go JB buy petrol liao. All fuel revenue goes to singapore.

afterall, JB vehicles come here enjoy should pay and pay for the enjoyment also what . Some more some vehicles give out very toxic black smoke wans. Like entertainment industry. They song song enjoy liao, must pay also.

Why no ERP at checkpoint ha? Diplomatico ar?

they introduce traffic to singapore too right? its congested right? severely congested right? and then leh ? what happen? Opposition? where are you when needed? june holiday over soon leh.

is there a place for me to give my suggestion to them?

i really hope there is an ERP at woodlands checkpoint. then next time i see where got jam i can go suggest to them also.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by balance_else_complacent @ Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:07:47 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:07:47 +0800

Originally posted by freedom4ever:

they should also set up a gantry at the woodlands check point too. there always traffic jam at the custom especially during the weekend.

I think you have brought out the most overlooked aspect for ERP.

I kudos you.

I salute you.

If implemented, the woodland check point would be congestion free.

this is achieved by having a cheap ERP fee of $20 SGD per entry.

Like this, no need to go JB buy petrol liao. All fuel revenue goes to singapore.

afterall, JB vehicles come here enjoy should pay and pay for the enjoyment also what . Some more some vehicles give out very toxic black smoke wans. Like entertainment industry. They song song enjoy liao, must pay also.

Why no ERP at checkpoint ha? Diplomatico ar?

they introduce traffic to singapore too right? its congested right? severely congested right? and then leh ? what happen? Opposition? where are you when needed? june holiday over soon leh.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by freedom4ever @ Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:54:15 +0800

freedom4ever — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:54:15 +0800

they should also set up a gantry at the woodlands check point too. there always traffic jam at the custom especially during the weekend.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by citymax @ Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:13:27 +0800

citymax — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:13:27 +0800

the best is to increase to 5 dollar per gantry, and the whole stretch of ecp and pie will have at least 5 gantries.

1 car - 25 dollars per day

10 cars - 250 dollars

100 cars - 2500 dollars

lol..we are the richest country inturn of transport!!

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by charlize @ Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:21:09 +0800

charlize — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:21:09 +0800

ERPs at the entrance of all carparks.

Let's tax all the cars.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by eagle @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:19:57 +0800

eagle — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:19:57 +0800

Originally posted by zaxis:

when implem, tell people to start work hour flexi, now after start flexi, evening still has erp, saturday also erp.

erp= every road pay

built multi layer highway, closed them during peak hour, likewhat happen during recent encounter at shanghai

it was told due to some traffic problem below certain section of the multi layer highway, miss one importance EXIT, you need to go round the stupid outer ring road 1, juntion past outer ringroad 2, juntion pass outer ring road 3, before can get off to ground level of the desination i want to go.

Singapore is very good at this one => build flyovers along CTE over the commonly congested exits like AMK ave 3 & 5, so that those going further north do not need to join in those exiting at these areas.

However, one thing I do support at the moment is the construction of KPE to attempt to ease some traffic off CTE; parallel expressways solution.

Afterall, LTA do have the survey results of cars entering and exiting these exits along CTE.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by maurizio13 @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:14:26 +0800

maurizio13 — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:14:26 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

My suggestion before:
Multi-level highways.

Seems like it's not a new concept at all; technology can already overtake this.

Congested sections on expressways like the CTE can do very well to implement this. Afterall, not all parts of the expressways experience jams.

But in the CBD, I would agree that space is indeed limited... Perhaps they should have parking spaces further away and regular shuttle buses in and out of the CBD to ferry people to and fro the carparks.

Actually a simple way to solve all this would be to implement flexible 24 hours workday. The issue right now is everybody knocks off at around the same time, resulting in crowding in MRTs, Buses and Roads.

Like the recent changes to the Taxi charges, I find it ridiculous, most of the time during peak hours, you find the Taxi drivers waiting in queues, not doing any productive work, yet they are paid more for doing nothing. They actually get paid more for doing less or no work. Something grave errors in their policy implementation.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by zaxis @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:12:40 +0800

zaxis — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:12:40 +0800

when implem, tell people to start work hour flexi, now after start flexi, evening still has erp, saturday also erp.

erp= every road pay

built multi layer highway, closed them during peak hour, likewhat happen during recent encounter at shanghai

it was told due to some traffic problem below certain section of the multi layer highway, miss one importance EXIT, you need to go round the stupid outer ring road 1, juntion past outer ringroad 2, juntion pass outer ring road 3, before can get off to ground level of the desination i want to go.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:11:31 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:11:31 +0800

The cost of living is already risen to high level.

Many services transportation cost would be passed to consumers. Taxi is public transport. People are encouraged to take public transport. But the ERP hike would pass the cost to consumers. Businesses transport their goods & foods from place to place. They are also affecting passing the cost to their business partners and consumers.

Would the recently announced ERP hike , compounded with oil price hikes incur to the people a higher cost of living?

And 'coincidentally' in the same news on ERP hike, it was announced that new bus services would be introduced and sounds like not cheap.

What is going on?

How much is being collected from ERP and road and car related expenses?

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by eagle @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:01:30 +0800

eagle — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:01:30 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

end nov. and thanks for the link.

i called the bank this morning to check on my car's outstanding loan as this will be the first things i am offloading now. the irony of it is the net cash back that i will be getting back from the sales proceed can pay for the same car in australia that i am driving now. i don't feel that bad already....

erp gantries, up yours!

Another person to emigrate :(

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by eagle @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:59:41 +0800

eagle — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:59:41 +0800

Originally posted by storywolf:

1) fixed the direct problem - just too many cars on the road !!! Every tom and harry can go show room and drive of with a car.

2) change the SBS & SMRT & TIB concept !!! We need more efficient and cheaper services - not fancy things like air-cond bus terminal, and stupid extra - that does little to transport people but cost more.

3) Take a page from Shanghai. They have problem of traffic, and without land to expand on roads. So they go for what they call sky highway system. They just build a road or highway on top of existing road or highway, it may cost more, but fastest and earier way then to dig underground.

My suggestion before:
Multi-level highways.

Seems like it's not a new concept at all; technology can already overtake this.

Congested sections on expressways like the CTE can do very well to implement this. Afterall, not all parts of the expressways experience jams.

But in the CBD, I would agree that space is indeed limited... Perhaps they should have parking spaces further away and regular shuttle buses in and out of the CBD to ferry people to and fro the carparks.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by reyes @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:39:26 +0800

reyes — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:39:26 +0800

well... In Singapore, if you own a car, you are either

1. damn rich----- Well then the increase is good news to u, less ppl on road.
2. really need it ---- well.. nth u can do.. have to pass the cost to customers if possible.
3. a show off. ---- HAhahaha.... Too bad.

Personally, I think this is a good move by the gahmen, If you want to own a car can... but you pay as you go, no money, can... keep the car in garage lor, every day polish it.... Cos u dun really need one in singapore... This to me, is a better way to increase tax revenue than GST which is broad spectrum.

Its unfair to public transport(ie. taxis), you want ppl to take public transport mah... how can u also increase their prices?

does motocycle has to paid ERP? it seem this is nor related to the car only. truck? vans? pick up? why penalise the company transportation vehicle when it is necessary for them to use the road for business. to me it is just lame excuses for govt to increase their tax coffers.

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:26:44 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:26:44 +0800

Originally posted by whiskers:

well... In Singapore, if you own a car, you are either

1. damn rich----- Well then the increase is good news to u, less ppl on road.
2. really need it ---- well.. nth u can do.. have to pass the cost to customers if possible.
3. a show off. ---- HAhahaha.... Too bad.

Personally, I think this is a good move by the gahmen, If you want to own a car can... but you pay as you go, no money, can... keep the car in garage lor, every day polish it.... Cos u dun really need one in singapore... This to me, is a better way to increase tax revenue than GST which is broad spectrum.

Its unfair to public transport(ie. taxis), you want ppl to take public transport mah... how can u also increase their prices?

Public roads should be for the public .

I agree that to the stinky rich, even if ERP per entry costs $20 would mean nothing to them but would be unimaginable to the majority. I guess a stinky rich man would be more happy when less can compete with them , in this case, road usage.

Other aspects of life:

1. Justice for all : Legal service. If you are not stinky rich, could you sue a stinky rich bad man when you could not afford the legal services required ?

2. Medical service for all : if you are not stinky rich, could you afford the medical service you need?

Is this world meant for the rich?

Animal farm.

What do you think about my proposed solution to cut cost for ROAD TAX PAYERS with less road usage :

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/2/topics/321677

More ERP Gant congestions remain,Alt solutions not looked at replied by whiskers @ Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:56:48 +0800

whiskers — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:56:48 +0800

*wears anti-flame suit......>.<

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