NKorea documentary replied by whiskers @ Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:32:03 +0800

whiskers — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:32:03 +0800

Originally posted by Meat Pao:

The problem is that we are looking at NKorea from our own familiar settings and systems.

Try to be a little more sympathetic. Besides, they are also trying to adjust and open up a little.

Also I disagree if people pass judgements and assign blame on the president, Kim Jong Il, or the 'regime'. In reality the social-political-economic system is much bigger than any one person or the government. This is even more especially true in a socialist country like NKorea. There is almost no difference between government and people. They are very united. If you dislike Kim Jong Il or the 'government' then by definition you should also dislike all or most of NKorean people.

I still remember afew years ago during an event, I forgot what event, an international event, a group of SKoreans protestors and NKoreans journalists got into a fight, because some SKoreans protestors were demonstrating and bringing banners/ signs with a photo of Kim Jong Il crossed. The NKoreans were so upset and offended they attacked the SKoreans and got into a fistfight.

That is what I want to say, it is not possible to separate 'government' and people with a socialist country like NKorea. It is not like Americans they can feel so detached and feel OK to critisize their own government or president Bush.

I just feel a little pity and sympathy, because their dream, which was idealistic, is very hard to maintain now in today's world. But seriously they are very hardy and is the last place on earth where almost pure socialism is still practiced. Where else, China has changed, Vietnam has changed, I think even Cuba is less closed than them, because it seems like Cuba is receiving alot of tourists.

I admire them. Juche + orthodox communism. Still can survive and chug along despite huge odds against them. The koreans are very hardy and united people. They are very homogenous and have a strong spirit. The same people in the South who became world class master capitalists with its Samsung, Hyundai, in the North, they are the world class master communists and the last standing one. Amazing right? It actually shows the adaptability and resourcefulness of the korean people.

Regarding Singapore, ya....when I read about which countries NKorea has a diplomatic relations with, I was surprised, it was such a short list, but it actually include Singapore. That is quite surprising, and it made me a little happy in my heart.

Meat Pao.

Do u think the people of DPRK will be as united if each of them were allowed personal freedom? They continue this by supressing their citizens freedom.

If given a choice, having the ability to see how the world is, I doubt the north koreans will follow the kim jong il. In DPRK its one eyed man leading the blind....

...

Do u want to be a borg?

NKorea documentary replied by FBI @ Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:28:28 +0800

FBI — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:28:28 +0800

its a sad thing they lost the war that time and let communist take over. If not the country might b a better place.

NKorea documentary replied by Meat Pao @ Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:40:50 +0800

Meat Pao — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:40:50 +0800

The problem is that we are looking at NKorea from our own familiar settings and systems.

Try to be a little more sympathetic. Besides, they are also trying to adjust and open up a little.

Also I disagree if people pass judgements and assign blame on the president, Kim Jong Il, or the 'regime'. In reality the social-political-economic system is much bigger than any one person or the government. This is even more especially true in a socialist country like NKorea. There is almost no difference between government and people. They are very united. If you dislike Kim Jong Il or the 'government' then by definition you should also dislike all or most of NKorean people.

I still remember afew years ago during an event, I forgot what event, an international event, a group of SKoreans protestors and NKoreans journalists got into a fight, because some SKoreans protestors were demonstrating and bringing banners/ signs with a photo of Kim Jong Il crossed. The NKoreans were so upset and offended they attacked the SKoreans and got into a fistfight.

That is what I want to say, it is not possible to separate 'government' and people with a socialist country like NKorea. It is not like Americans they can feel so detached and feel OK to critisize their own government or president Bush.

I just feel a little pity and sympathy, because their dream, which was idealistic, is very hard to maintain now in today's world. But seriously they are very hardy and is the last place on earth where almost pure socialism is still practiced. Where else, China has changed, Vietnam has changed, I think even Cuba is less closed than them, because it seems like Cuba is receiving alot of tourists.

I admire them. Juche + orthodox communism. Still can survive and chug along despite huge odds against them. The koreans are very hardy and united people. They are very homogenous and have a strong spirit. The same people in the South who became world class master capitalists with its Samsung, Hyundai, in the North, they are the world class master communists and the last standing one. Amazing right? It actually shows the adaptability and resourcefulness of the korean people.

Regarding Singapore, ya....when I read about which countries NKorea has a diplomatic relations with, I was surprised, it was such a short list, but it actually include Singapore. That is quite surprising, and it made me a little happy in my heart.

Meat Pao.

NKorea documentary replied by googoomuck @ Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:15:21 +0800

googoomuck — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:15:21 +0800

Originally posted by Meat Pao:

I admire NKoreans because they seem so united.....Juche + old style communism...actually the intention is noble....to make everybody equal, and to stand on your own two feet.

NKoreans themselves are not stupid, they have seen what is happening in China, in Vietnam....and they have started to experiment a bit....opening some special zones in cooperation with SouthKorea, factories, and some special market zones.

So please give some time to NKorea, they will change and find what is most suitable for them.

Meat Pao.

This is a regime that sponsors drug trafficking and and print fake currencies to finance the govt. There are even reports of meat pao made from human flesh - cannibalism.

It's a gangster state and has a "military first" policy. Singapore has diplomatic relations with North Korea.

You must be very proud.

NKorea documentary replied by 333225520 @ Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:44:19 +0800

333225520 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:44:19 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

Hi ,

The documentary showed that:

1. All NKoreans will give all glory and credit to their leader despite all the sufferings they receive living in NKorea. Their leader somehow gets all the credit.

2. They are so brainwashed , there seems to be nothing much to distinguish their FEAR for their leader and their Respect for their leader. The result of decades of PROPAGANDA.

3. People who showed resent to their Leader gets locked without trial forever and tortured in an inhumane cell. The relatives of this man gets locked as well but in another 'family' cell. If anyone escapes, their entire family is executed brutally.

If anyone says anything bad about their leader or complain the ration given is too little, they get executed.

4. Although painted as great leader, each year many NKoreans risk their lives attempting to 'migrate' to SKorea, a land of true DEMOCRACY. They would rather risk their lives and their families' lives to escape from hell. They live in constant fear of secret police.

It is a NKorea or Singapore documentary you are talking about? Sound like Singapore to me also.

NKorea documentary replied by Meat Pao @ Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:38:03 +0800

Meat Pao — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:38:03 +0800

I admire NKoreans because they seem so united.....Juche + old style communism...actually the intention is noble....to make everybody equal, and to stand on your own two feet.

NKoreans themselves are not stupid, they have seen what is happening in China, in Vietnam....and they have started to experiment a bit....opening some special zones in cooperation with SouthKorea, factories, and some special market zones.

So please give some time to NKorea, they will change and find what is most suitable for them.

Meat Pao.

NKorea documentary replied by charlize @ Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:24:40 +0800

charlize — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:24:40 +0800

Any ERP gantries in N Korea?

NKorea documentary replied by Beachboy136 @ Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:01:07 +0800

Beachboy136 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:01:07 +0800

Hi dudes,

Dp read this.. what the Kim Junk II regime have done and still doing to humannity.

http://www.northkoreanrefugees.com/ebook.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms4NIB6xroc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RsTN6RyuiM

http://www.freekorea.us/

Do spare sometime to read up and watch the documentry. You will decover that those concertration camps had during Nazis days were still exist in modern days. The way its operates and the way it heavily against mankind for their "dear leader".

NKorea documentary replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:15:13 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:15:13 +0800

but i like the way LKY farks with CSJ...

Good for you.

You like how Lee Kuan Yew fucks with Chia Thye Poh?

http://www.singapore-window.org/81130sc.htm

NKorea documentary replied by pigsticker @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:13:17 +0800

pigsticker — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:13:17 +0800

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

I despise DPRK politics.

But I like the way DPRK fucks with USA.

hey me too... i dun like LKY...

but i like the way LKY farks with CSJ...

NKorea documentary replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:10:14 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:10:14 +0800

I despise DPRK politics.

But I like the way DPRK fucks with USA.

NKorea documentary replied by pigsticker @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:06:35 +0800

pigsticker — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:06:35 +0800

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

That is why no single power should monopolise power in a country. They will abuse power to brainwash people into blindly supporting them.

That is why I want PAP political hegemony to end.

I am glad that you also share the same views as me.

it's funny how someone can so condemn singapore's political situation or lackthereof but so support north korea's political situation...

i hope you're not a good representative of our opposition parties... makes me re-consider giving them my support...

NKorea documentary replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:02:24 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:02:24 +0800

Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:

the one which an optic surgeon went there to treat the corneas?

and when those folks could finally see, they freaking thank that kim instead of the surgeon.

someone once said something like

no matter how smart , intelligent a person is ,

for example, even einsteinian calibre,

he can still be controlled psychologically.

NKorea documentary replied by Beautiful951 @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:02:00 +0800

Beautiful951 — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:02:00 +0800

Originally posted by domonkassyu:

yep..u got it..greed.read up on NKorea leader..seel how much liquor he buys and mercedes he bought. also the movies he buys..and compare again how his citizens live..

Oh and in the history books, there is a poem about how the people of the country are living the hard life and the government are enjoying themselves.

NKorea documentary replied by balance_else_complacent @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:56:59 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:56:59 +0800

Originally posted by airgrinder:

SKorea is not real full democracy either.

Many countries citizens can only hope they have SKorea's level of democracy ;)

that is 'full democracy' enough for these people.

NKorea documentary replied by alwaysdisturbed @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:19:58 +0800

alwaysdisturbed — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:19:58 +0800

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

That is why no single power should monopolise power in a country. They will abuse power to brainwash people into blindly supporting them.

That is why I want PAP political hegemony to end.

I am glad that you also share the same views as me.

yea man, i think from this we should also have a ruling that there shouldn't be any family relations in the hierachy.

NKorea documentary replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:15:41 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:15:41 +0800

they are truly the frogs in a well.

That is why no single power should monopolise power in a country. They will abuse power to brainwash people into blindly supporting them.

That is why I want PAP political hegemony to end.

I am glad that you also share the same views as me.

NKorea documentary replied by alwaysdisturbed @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:08:54 +0800

alwaysdisturbed — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:08:54 +0800

Originally posted by omgukilledkenny:

ya that one.

i put my vote on that for the nat geo's top 30.

had mixed feelings watching that show. felt happy for those people who couldn't see for years, can finally see colors but not the best. worst of all, they thanked the freaking kim photo like some godlike figure instead of the medical team who were right in front of them.

sad case. they are truly the frogs in a well.

NKorea documentary replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:45:12 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:45:12 +0800

Would be better if they just assassinate the leaders.

But don't get Mafia involved.

CIA conspired with mafia to kill Castro

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/27

NKorea documentary replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:40:32 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:40:32 +0800

USA like to fuck with North Korea, now North Korea fuck back USA.

Cool.

I like it.

USA attacked and killed so many people in so many countries, only a few like North Korea succeeded in bringing them back to the negotiating table to make a fair deal.

I really salute them.

They really know how to fuck with USA.

NKorea documentary replied by maurizio13 @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:37:25 +0800

maurizio13 — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:37:25 +0800

Nukes will only cause more civilian casualty.

Would be better if they just assassinate the leaders.

NKorea documentary replied by Poh Ah Pak @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:32:07 +0800

Poh Ah Pak — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:32:07 +0800

if USA decides to wage war against Nkorea and destroy their govt, would you support or condemn the decision

I think USA only dares to fight with countries with no nukes, like Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Haiti, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Libya, Sudan, Dominican Republic, Laos, Cambodia, Iran, etc.

North Korea, last time also no nukes, so, USA want to nuke.

...On 9 December MacArthur said that he wanted commander's discretion to use atomic weapons in the Korean theatre. On 24 December he submitted "a list of retardation targets" for which he required 26 atomic bombs. He also wanted four to drop on the "invasion forces" and four more for "critical concentrations of enemy air power."

In interviews published posthumously, MacArthur said he had a plan that would have won the war in 10 days: "I would have dropped 30 or so atomic bombs . . . strung across the neck of Manchuria." Then he would have introduced half a million Chinese Nationalist troops at the Yalu and then "spread behind us -- from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea -- a belt of radioactive cobalt . . . it has an active life of between 60 and 120 years. For at least 60 years there could have been no land invasion of Korea from the North." He was certain that the Russians would have done nothing about this extreme strategy: "My plan was a cinch."...

http://japanfocus.org/_Bruce_Cumings-Nuclear_Threats_Against_North_Korea

Now USA nuke North Korea, North Korea nuke back USA, so USA no nuke already.

NKorea documentary replied by maurizio13 @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:06:59 +0800

maurizio13 — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:06:59 +0800

Originally posted by dumbdumb!:

hmm, just curious... if USA decides to wage war against Nkorea and destroy their govt, would you support or condemn the decision

very unlikely that USA would do that, they have little to benefit and lots to lose.

it would be better just to assassinate the all the top echelons of the military and the premier.

less cost and less casualty to the population.

NKorea documentary replied by the Bear @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:03:15 +0800

the Bear — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:03:15 +0800

North Korea is one massive FAIL

NKorea documentary replied by omgukilledkenny @ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:01:22 +0800

omgukilledkenny — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:01:22 +0800