http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 en-US 60 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by reyes:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>i also know a navy guy who will voted for opposition if contested.</p> <p>he got his promotion as normal, never get&nbsp;purge. ORD and now working in the private sector happily.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Ppl must be able to understand the difference between working for singapore and working for PAP.</p> <p>PPl must also understand voting is secret and i believe there is no way it can track whether the civil servant vote for PAP or opp.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>get it clear and vote without fear!</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Ppl must be able to understand the difference between working for singapore and working for PAP.</span></p> <p><span style="color: #000000;">This is the profound statement that many people here need to get into their brain. Somehow they don't seem to have the ability to understand, and they bring bad names to the oppositions. Sad.</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:52:05 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8231592 sgdiehard http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <p>i also know a navy guy who will voted for opposition if contested.</p> <p>he got his promotion as normal, never get&nbsp;purge. ORD and now working in the private sector happily.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Ppl must be able to understand the difference between working for singapore and working for PAP.</p> <p>PPl must also understand voting is secret and i believe there is no way it can track whether the civil servant vote for PAP or opp.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>get it clear and vote without fear!</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:46:08 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8229540 reyes http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by sgdiehard:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>It is very sad that many people in this forum do not makes a difference between PAP and Singapore. Giving a very bad name to the opposition.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Ah I see..</p> <p>So you are saying it IS OK to vote for the opposition even tho he/she is a civil servant har?</p> <p>Very good. This is your most patriotic post so far.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:23:50 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8229168 jojobeach http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by sgdiehard:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> yes, our policement and soldiers are not like those in other countries who killed their own people in their own land, but they would not hesitate to fire at those who create social unrest, and they are very good at aiming at balls, you should be very very afraid. hahaha...</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Yah lah.. I know lah.. you no need afraid, because you got no balls mah.</p> <p>Social unrest cannot be instigated when the people are happy with the gahmen lah.</p> <p>Your brain hor sei boh ?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:21:02 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8229158 jojobeach http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <p>quite chio</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:38:34 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8229077 NG QIBO AARON AUBREY http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by jojobeach:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Many rulers depended on their armies to retain power. Didn't you also wonder what those soldiers are thinking when they kill the innocent people of their own land ?</p> <p>Are you saying our policemen and soldiers are not like those in other countries ?</p> <p>If yes.. then the ruling party should be very afraid and will likely purge those who don't agree with them.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> yes, our policement and soldiers are not like those in other countries who killed their own people in their own land, but they would not hesitate to fire at those who create social unrest, and they are very good at aiming at balls, you should be very very afraid. hahaha...</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:38:00 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8229076 sgdiehard http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by pigsticker:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>why is there a conflict of interest? the navy guy is serving the nation, not the PAP...</p> <p>and if there were to be an uprising, do you think the military guys will listen to the government and shoot their fellow singaporeans?? if you really don't have that much faith in your fellow singaporeans to do right, then i think you should just leave singapore...</p> <p>and by your post, you're insulting those guys who really put their hearts and lives into serving the nation...</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>It is very sad that many people in this forum do not makes a difference between PAP and Singapore. Giving a very bad name to the opposition.</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:33:55 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8229066 sgdiehard http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by jojobeach:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Many rulers depended on their armies to retain power. Didn't you also wonder what those soldiers are thinking when they kill the innocent people of their own land ?</p> <p>Are you saying our policemen and soldiers are not like those in other countries ?</p> <p>If yes.. then the ruling party should be very afraid and will likely purge those who don't agree with them.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>gu lu zhe mo duo zuo shen mo.&nbsp;&nbsp; Just do it.&nbsp;</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:52:05 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8228927 Fantagf http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by pigsticker:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>why is there a conflict of interest? the navy guy is serving the nation, not the PAP...</p> <p>and if there were to be an uprising, do you think the military guys will listen to the government and shoot their fellow singaporeans?? if you really don't have that much faith in your fellow singaporeans to do right, then i think you should just leave singapore...</p> <p>and by your post, you're insulting those guys who really put their hearts and lives into serving the nation...</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Many rulers depended on their armies to retain power. Didn't you also wonder what those soldiers are thinking when they kill the innocent people of their own land ?</p> <p>Are you saying our policemen and soldiers are not like those in other countries ?</p> <p>If yes.. then the ruling party should be very afraid and will likely purge those who don't agree with them.</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:48:29 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8228923 jojobeach http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by jojobeach:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Then don't you think it is a conflict of interest for the navy guy ?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>What if one day.. SG people decides to rise up against the current ruling group and the navy gets mobilized to quell the unrest ?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Are the naval officers going to disobey the directives ? Or do they go against their own conscience and put the people down anyway ?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>I don't think the navy guy thinks that far when he voted the opposition.&nbsp;&nbsp; He is just like some ordinary singaporeans who want to give oppositions&nbsp; a chance.</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:34:02 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8228915 Fantagf http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by jojobeach:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Then don't you think it is a conflict of interest for the navy guy ?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>What if one day.. SG people decides to rise up against the current ruling group and the navy gets mobilized to quell the unrest ?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Are the naval officers going to disobey the directives ? Or do they go against their own conscience and put the people down anyway ?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>why is there a conflict of interest? the navy guy is serving the nation, not the PAP...</p> <p>and if there were to be an uprising, do you think the military guys will listen to the government and shoot their fellow singaporeans?? if you really don't have that much faith in your fellow singaporeans to do right, then i think you should just leave singapore...</p> <p>and by your post, you're insulting those guys who really put their hearts and lives into serving the nation...</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:33:42 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8228914 pigsticker http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Fantagf:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> No connection lah.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; He actually said this with intention to encourage civil servants not to fear, just do it, vote for oppositions if their hearts tell them so.&nbsp;&nbsp; Bravo.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Then don't you think it is a conflict of interest for the navy guy ?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>What if one day.. SG people decides to rise up against the current ruling group and the navy gets mobilized to quell the unrest ?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Are the naval officers going to disobey the directives ? Or do they go against their own conscience and put the people down anyway ?</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:21:42 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8228899 jojobeach http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by jojobeach:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Issit ? Which navy guy ? He got white horse connection anot ?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> No connection lah.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; He actually said this with intention to encourage civil servants not to fear, just do it, vote for oppositions if their hearts tell them so.&nbsp;&nbsp; Bravo.</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:18:27 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8228891 Fantagf http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Fantagf:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> A navy guy voted for the opposition and after the election he got promoted.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Issit ? Which navy guy ? He got white horse connection anot ?</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:14:36 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8228879 jojobeach http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by foxtrout8:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>I was with the civil service and i bet i understand things better so&nbsp;let me put it again that it is not good to go around spreading unnecessary rumours which is detrimental to our political climate.</p> <p>The more some&nbsp;people&nbsp;want PAP to go, the more these&nbsp;people must stand up and vote against the PAP. There is no reason to fear as far as i know.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> A navy guy voted for the opposition and after the election he got promoted.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:08:52 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8228862 Fantagf http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by foxtrout8:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>I was with the civil service and i bet i understand things better so&nbsp;let me put it again that it is not good to go around spreading unnecessary rumours which is detrimental to our political climate.</p> <p>The more some&nbsp;people&nbsp;want PAP to go, the more these&nbsp;people must stand up and vote against the PAP. There is no reason to fear as far as i know.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Yes lah. I also agree. But how many civil servants got the balls to do that ?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:57:09 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8228823 jojobeach http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by reyes:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>laws and rules? who pass the laws and rules in singapore? i question the lawfulness here in singapore whether the ruling party pass it for their own party benefits.</p> <p>north korea and myanmar regime can also be regarded as lawful regime isnt it as they can pass their own law to legitimise themselves as lawful ruler!!</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Those who know the Leegime well enough will know the answer.&nbsp; Now I am waiting to see how Mr Lee Kuan Yew is going to produce his proof - letter from IBA.</p> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:45:43 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8227294 Fantagf http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <p>There are laws and orders within a civilised society and we lived in a civilised society in Spore. Do you think the govt doesnt listen or realized such issues happened within our society?</p> <p>They are more aware of it than any of us here, <span style= "text-decoration: underline;">proven</span> by their farsightedness over the years of our national history, achieving much beyond the hope of similiar countries at the same point of departure from colonnialism.</p> <p>The govt had attempted to share this farsightedness with many thru various channels and media, and accepted by many as <span style="text-decoration: underline;">proven by our sacred votes at each electiion</span>, but a minority few who will NEVER be satisfied will always use it as a means to stir resentment to realize selfish political ambitions, heckling down solutions, nitpicking it such as those shown by Atobe, the rabid heckler of them all.</p> <p>As for MPs, whether they are ruling or opposition parties, besides parliamentary debates, they are in communication always with the Executives of the state, and would know full well what are the avenues of greviances legally avaliable, followed by a dissemination of information to the grassroot levels to reach out to their constituents to understand and accept the full picture of a perhaps misplaced greviance.</p> <p>This had always serve our country well, and many are at peace to go on with their lives in this small little red dot, with freedoms in all except for freedom to slander without evidences. What you see here are only the minority, who will never be satisfied no matter what is possibly done within the limitations of our society, deluding themselves that they are bigger than the whole, if not our society itself.</p> <p>As a demostration of what i meant, just wait for the reply by heckler Atobe, who offers no solution except nitpick, unless she grown wiser overnight.&nbsp;</p> </blockquote> <p>laws and rules? who pass the laws and rules in singapore? i question the lawfulness here in singapore whether the ruling party pass it for their own party benefits.</p> <p>north korea and myanmar regime can also be regarded as lawful regime isnt it as they can pass their own law to legitimise themselves as lawful ruler!!</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:17:18 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8227197 reyes http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by foxtrout8:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>I was with the civil service and i bet i understand things better so&nbsp;let me put it again that it is not good to go around spreading unnecessary rumours which is detrimental to our political climate.</p> <p>The more some&nbsp;people&nbsp;want PAP to go, the more these&nbsp;people must stand up and vote against the PAP. There is no reason to fear as far as i know.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Right.</p> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:13:34 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8226970 Fantagf http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by jojobeach:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>hur hur hur.. don't compare SG gahmen with American Companies.</p> <p>In America.. the workers are protected with the Whistle Blower's Protection law and Wrongful Termination law.</p> <p>Also.. the unions in USA is very strong .. not like the unions in SG.</p> <p>In SG.. you got what protection ? Only defamation and bankruptcy laws come after you ok ?</p> <p>So please hor.. not the same. So if you want to work as a civil servant.. then for your own good, please just guai guai do your job and collect your pay and benefits. OK ? Good.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>I was with the civil service and i bet i understand things better so&nbsp;let me put it again that it is not good to go around spreading unnecessary rumours which is detrimental to our political climate.</p> <p>The more some&nbsp;people&nbsp;want PAP to go, the more these&nbsp;people must stand up and vote against the PAP. There is no reason to fear as far as i know.</p> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:47:03 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8226697 foxtrout8 http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by foxtrout8:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> i believe even in private companies especially american companies, u can dont like ur boss but he wont do shit to u as long as u can perform.</p> <p>Think about it, if someone got dismissed because he or she vote against the govt, u can be very assured that he or she will speak out immediately considering that 1)he or she doesnt like the govt 2)he or she no longer work for the govt.</p> <p>Unless there is proof, i see that it is better not to spread this kinda of rumour which leads to unnecessary fear in which causes some civil servant out there to vote for someone against his will.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>hur hur hur.. don't compare SG gahmen with American Companies.</p> <p>In America.. the workers are protected with the Whistle Blower's Protection law and Wrongful Termination law.</p> <p>Also.. the unions in USA is very strong .. not like the unions in SG.</p> <p>In SG.. you got what protection ? Only defamation and bankruptcy laws come after you ok ?</p> <p>So please hor.. not the same. So if you want to work as a civil servant.. then for your own good, please just guai guai do your job and collect your pay and benefits. OK ? Good.</p> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:38:12 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8226684 jojobeach http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by jojobeach:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Proof what proof ?</p> <p>If you have a employee that donch like you.. you will tell him to fark off from your payroll.</p> <p>Singapore got other jobs he can do... go join a private company lah.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Even in private companies especially those with american liberal work ethics, u can dont like ur boss but he wont do shit to u as long as u can perform.</p> <p>Think about it, if someone got dismissed because he or she vote against the govt, u can be very assured that he or she will speak out immediately considering that 1)he or she doesnt like the govt 2)he or she no longer work for the govt.</p> <p>Unless there is proof, i see that it is better not to spread this kinda of rumour which leads to unnecessary fear in which causes some civil servant out there to vote for someone against his will.</p> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:31:07 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8226663 foxtrout8 http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by foxtrout8:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Why a civil servant cannot vote against the current government? Stop dissipating rumours unless there is a proof for it.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Proof what proof ?</p> <p>If you have a employee that donch like you.. you will tell him to fark off from your payroll.</p> <p>Singapore got other jobs he can do... go join a private company lah.</p> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:19:09 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8226635 jojobeach http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by jojobeach:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Harlow.. you are a civil servant leh.</p> <p>How can you vote against your pay master ? You ok anot ?</p> <p>Your pay master give you so much perks , you still dare to vote against them ?</p> <p>You really shouldn't bite the hands that feeds you leh. Like that you also no understand ?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Why a civil servant cannot vote against the current government? Stop dissipating rumours unless there is a proof for it.</p> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:16:27 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8226632 foxtrout8 http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by jojobeach:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Harlow.. you are a civil servant leh.</p> <p>How can you vote against your pay master ? You ok anot ?</p> <p>Your pay master give you so much perks , you still dare to vote against them ?</p> <p>You really shouldn't bite the hands that feeds you leh. Like that you also no understand ?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>thank you. i have a heart</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:15:02 +0800 www.politics.sgforums.com:10:323062:8226626 SevenEleven http://www.politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/323062