LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by foxtrout8 @ Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:51:20 +0800

foxtrout8 — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:51:20 +0800

Originally posted by Sialution:

1. PAP is an effective government in Singapore. But effective does not equate considerate and socially acceptable.

2. PAP does not owe what they have to ONLY the people, but also to their own efforts. PAP is the current government because there is no strong enough Opposition Party to challenge PAP. Anyway who have the money and resources to field so many groups of Opposition Members to challenge PAP in elections. SO most people don't get to vote doesn't mean votes go to PAP.

3. But again, if a government is not confident of its stability in the next 10 years, will the government make plans for the next 10 years? Probably their main concerns will then be on how to draw more votes in the 5-years term. If this happens, how will the development of Singapore be?

4. Here we are, stranded with a reality that we must accept what is ahead of us. There is always two side of a coin, but to say that PAP is the MOST effective government, I seriously think you're not in a perfect state of mind to stay in our current society..

wah..excellent balanced view, cant agree more.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Sialution @ Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:48:50 +0800

Sialution — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:48:50 +0800

Originally posted by Dondontan:

Kuan Yew and PAP owe what they have now to the people of the land of Singapore. It is because of the people that kuan yew and the current govt still govern spore.

1. PAP is an effective government in Singapore. But effective does not equate considerate and socially acceptable.

2. PAP does not owe what they have to ONLY the people, but also to their own efforts. PAP is the current government because there is no strong enough Opposition Party to challenge PAP. Anyway who have the money and resources to field so many groups of Opposition Members to challenge PAP in elections. SO most people don't get to vote doesn't mean votes go to PAP.

3. But again, if a government is not confident of its stability in the next 10 years, will the government make plans for the next 10 years? Probably their main concerns will then be on how to draw more votes in the 5-years term. If this happens, how will the development of Singapore be?

4. Here we are, stranded with a reality that we must accept what is ahead of us. There is always two side of a coin, but to say that PAP is the MOST effective government, I seriously think you're not in a perfect state of mind to stay in our current society..

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by robertteh @ Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:40:41 +0800

robertteh — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:40:41 +0800

Just imagine, LKY is so effective that look around one can see so many HDB shops blocked off by merchandise with the fire escape route blocked.

The fire risks caused death to 2 siblings in Hougang last year. Any one can see that these two deaths could have been prevented had there been proper management and enforcements against such fire risks.

Despite alll the set up of SCDF, Major, CEOs, GM and qualified professionals paid peanuts, no one was made answerable in this incident for the total blockage of fire escape path, an offence under the Fire Act. The Managing Agent' contract was also spared and his renewed and not debarred from tender, reprimanded or penalised.

Is this the value of human life here ? Is this what MM Lee called world-class standard ? Now who is complacent? May be you don't pay taxes and you don't care and that is why today we have this type of could'nt-care-less government.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Dondontan @ Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:14:29 +0800

Dondontan — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:14:29 +0800

Originally posted by drawer:

Shhh....maybe TS is LKY secret mistress....

YOu very good imagination, well could be.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Dondontan @ Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:12:26 +0800

Dondontan — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:12:26 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

Wonder where Point_Blank went to

Too blank to even think of how to respond to forumers in sgforum.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Dondontan @ Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:09:17 +0800

Dondontan — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:09:17 +0800

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

...the success of Singapore today was a result of the hard work of each and every citizen including the old women now reduced to cleaning tables at hawkers centers reduced to such a state by the policies of greedy despots

Kuan Yew and PAP owe what they have now to the people of the land of Singapore. It is because of the people that kuan yew and the current govt still govern spore.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Dondontan @ Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:07:09 +0800

Dondontan — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:07:09 +0800

Originally posted by eagle:

It's already proven he and DeerHunter are the same person, and is definitely a clone of Gazelle, because of the repeat of a statement that only Gazelle made frequently, (and once upon a time, jojobeach), and that such content has not been posted since they have registered.

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/322185?page=28

I agree.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Dondontan @ Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:06:21 +0800

Dondontan — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:06:21 +0800

Originally posted by redDUST:

with all his recent LIES he spouts, i for one couldn't be bothered with this chap anymore. he can run himself to the ground praising his `god' unconditionally. so, happy `LIESing', LIES.

talk about wanker and talker, this LIES tops it all.

Yeah, same here. Leave him to continue to enjoy living in deception.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Dondontan @ Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:04:27 +0800

Dondontan — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:04:27 +0800

Just by reading that name of the topic nearly makes me puke. TS is misleading the forumers again.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by eagle @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:29:40 +0800

eagle — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:29:40 +0800

TS is The Stupid

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Beautiful951 @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:26:49 +0800

Beautiful951 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:26:49 +0800

Oh i see

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Midlusionz @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:23:09 +0800

Midlusionz — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:23:09 +0800

Ts is Threadstarter

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Beautiful951 @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:20:47 +0800

Beautiful951 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:20:47 +0800

Who is TS?

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by drawer @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:13:20 +0800

drawer — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:13:20 +0800

Originally posted by Midlusionz:

I think TS life revolve ard LKY only.

Shhh....maybe TS is LKY secret mistress....

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Midlusionz @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:06:35 +0800

Midlusionz — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:06:35 +0800

That's a good choice then sg gonna be like Vietnam ..

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Beautiful951 @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:05:53 +0800

Beautiful951 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:05:53 +0800

Sigh. travel by bike better.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Midlusionz @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:00:48 +0800

Midlusionz — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:00:48 +0800

It's more of a one way street thingy now ..

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Beautiful951 @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:59:38 +0800

Beautiful951 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:59:38 +0800

Its supposed to be public transport. But then it like become "the government earning device." So many people use it everyday.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Midlusionz @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:57:12 +0800

Midlusionz — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:57:12 +0800

Let's not said that .. We wan service we pay for it .. But it's pretty ridiculous that the prices and fares are increasing so crazy.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Beautiful951 @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:54:58 +0800

Beautiful951 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:54:58 +0800

Only the government is on the recieving end. Thats why I don't like it.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Midlusionz @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:50:02 +0800

Midlusionz — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:50:02 +0800

Hmm.. Not really..

1st scenerio - All of us give up our own private transport and go public transport .. Thou by then public transport maybe more effective .. Fares increase .. LPPL .. Money still go to goverment. Don't tell mi diesel increase bus fare won't increase.

2nd scenerio - All decide to buy our own private transport .. Diesel and petrol prices continue to raise ..

So either way we are on the losing end.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Beautiful951 @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:35:09 +0800

Beautiful951 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:35:09 +0800

ya great. Next time all buy car already.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Midlusionz @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:04:49 +0800

Midlusionz — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:04:49 +0800

Well, i heard there is going to be another increase at end of july ..

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Beautiful951 @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:03:16 +0800

Beautiful951 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:03:16 +0800

Originally posted by Midlusionz:

Diesel have increase to $2.003 yesterday lol scary man

Oh no our bus fare.

LKY and PAP is the most effective gov in the world replied by Midlusionz @ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:02:10 +0800

Midlusionz — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:02:10 +0800

Diesel have increase to $2.003 yesterday lol scary man

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