http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 en-US 60 <p>continue in existing thread<br /> <br /> the search box is up there not for kamlan one</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:59:56 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8258026 FireIce http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <blockquote> <p><span style="color: #888888;">Originally posted by mamamamama:</span></p> <p>pity those who got no money to buy themselves a kidney should kidney trading be leagalised..</p> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>This world is FULL of people without Money..... how many could you help <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_question.gif" alt="icon_question.gif" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Isn't it better to leagalised the trade&nbsp;to ensure the seller will <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">NOT</span> be cheated by any <span style="color: #0000ff;">middleman</span> and have good medical attaintion during and after the Ops</strong> <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_question.gif" alt= "icon_question.gif" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>My view is that the poor, when desperate..... will do everything to&nbsp;survive. That includes selling their Kidney.... <strong>legally or illegally</strong>&nbsp;<img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_exclaim.gif" alt= "icon_exclaim.gif" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The problem is that for every&nbsp;Buyer paying&nbsp;<strong>$30K</strong> for a Kidney..... the poor&nbsp;Seller might be only getting&nbsp;<strong>$3-5K</strong>..... with <strong>the rest of the $$$ going to the middleman or hospital</strong>. &nbsp;</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:52:25 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8258007 hloc http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <p>soon we will see desperate people from poor part of india, africa, vietnam, china, philippines etc coming here to sell their organs. wow, another influx of FOTs aka Foreign organ Traders.</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:48:28 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8257887 fishbuff1 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by maurizio13:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>DNA match? <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" /></p> <p>means impossibility for any 2 persons to have transplant.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>donate to yourself lor <img src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" /></p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:20:48 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8257739 mamamamama http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>DNA match? <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" /></p> <p>means impossibility for any 2 persons to have transplant.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:39:05 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8257634 maurizio13 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <p>well for organ transplant you still need DNA match.</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:23:09 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8257633 Arapahoe http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <p>so.. i am sure the kidneys sure got brand.. the black brand, the brown brand, the yellow brand, the white brand</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:44:38 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8257597 youyayu http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <p>you might as well create a future market to hedge against black market....</p> Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:40:34 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8257585 Arapahoe http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by hloc:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>I would support legalise the trade in human kidneys for transplants with the following condition.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>* The trade <strong>MUST</strong> be regulared by the <strong>Authority</strong> with <span style= "color: #0000ff;">checks by 3rd parties</span>.</p> <p>* <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">NO MIDDLEMAN</span></strong>&nbsp;be involved in the trade.</p> <p>* Any <strong>Cash</strong> from the Sale <strong>MUST</strong> be listed in B/W&nbsp;&amp; witness by a&nbsp;Lawyer.</p> <p>* The list must include how <span style="color: #0000ff;">much was promise to the Seller</span> and what amount does the <strong>Hospital/Lawyer/Authority gets</strong>.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>* Foreign Seller must show prove that His/Her relation knows of the sales.... approve Lawyers from both side must be there as witness.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I pity those who have to sell a Kidney for money.... just like I pity those suffering from Kidney failure....</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>pity those who got no money to buy themselves a kidney should kidney trading be leagalised..</p> Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:39:35 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8257011 mamamamama http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <p>Now we've got&nbsp;patients queing up for their chance to receive a kidney from donors but soon, you'll get donors queing up for their chance to sell their kidney for higher prices..</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Scenario only ah..</span></p> <p>If rich patients are buying kidney's for lets say $50,000 a piece, i wouldn't be selling mine to someone offering less than $50,000. I'd rather wait for some rich patient to buy mine. So where does that leave those middle / low&nbsp;income patients?&nbsp;No one would be willing to sell their kidneys to them.</p> Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:37:34 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8257004 mamamamama http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <p>I would support legalise the trade in human kidneys for transplants with the following condition.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>* The trade <strong>MUST</strong> be regulared by the <strong>Authority</strong> with <span style= "color: #0000ff;">checks by 3rd parties</span>.</p> <p>* <strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">NO MIDDLEMAN</span></strong>&nbsp;be involved in the trade.</p> <p>* Any <strong>Cash</strong> from the Sale <strong>MUST</strong> be listed in B/W&nbsp;&amp; witness by a&nbsp;Lawyer.</p> <p>* The list must include how <span style="color: #0000ff;">much was promise to the Seller</span> and what amount does the <strong>Hospital/Lawyer/Authority gets</strong>.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>* Foreign Seller must show prove that His/Her relation knows of the sales.... approve Lawyers from both side must be there as witness.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I pity those who have to sell a Kidney for money.... just like I pity those suffering from Kidney failure....</p> Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:24:10 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8256966 hloc http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856 <p>Singapore may legalise the trade in human kidneys for transplants, its health minister said.</p> <p>The Health Ministry is considering paying unrelated donors to boost the supply of organs, Khaw Boon Wan said.</p> <p>"We should not reject any idea just because it is radical or controversial," Khaw said. "We may be able to find an acceptable way to allow a meaningful compensation for some living, unrelated kidney donors, without breaching ethical principles or hurting the sensitivities of others."</p> <p>Khaw said the ministry would review possible changes to current legislation to allow payments for donations from third parties such as those from the charity and religious sectors. Under the proposal, which would need to be approved by Parliament to become law, patients would also get help in finding donors.</p> <p>"There are desperate patients out there wishing to live and desperately poor people willing to exchange a kidney for a hopefully improved life," he said. "Criminalising organ trading does not eliminate it...it merely breeds a black market."</p> <p>Khaw also said the Health Ministry would push to amend existing laws on organ transplants to remove an age limit on deceased donors, currently set at 60 years, because "the suitability of the organ depends on its condition rather than the age of the donor."</p> <p>The two initiatives should enable Singapore to carry out 70% of the kidney transplants needed every year - up from 50% currently, the minister said.</p> <p>Khaw's comments follow the cases of two Indonesian men who were jailed and fined by a Singapore court earlier this month after being convicted of agreeing to sell their kidneys to two patients.</p> <p>Selling or buying organs or blood is illegal in Singapore, as in many other countries, and carries a penalty of up to 12 months' jail.</p> <p>Copyright © 2008 The Press Association. All rights reserved.</p> Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:55:33 +0800 www.sgforums.com:10:324856:8256896 fishbuff1 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/324856