SAF personnel come to school give talk to JC boys..
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Originally posted by Hellraiza:
What, you have a hard-on for the good old colonial days? And you're avoiding my question. Tell us which unit you were from, give some concrete to all the fucking crap you're spouting here.
The USA were an ex-British colony and they don't see a problem with adopting the simple military term "to fire in anger" despite being the more powerful country now. I guess your ego's even bigger than the USA huh? ^^ All your posturing and blustering doesn't detract from the fact that you are ignorant of a term even raw green military recruits in most english speaking countries would know. -
Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Sometimes the "scholars" make me laugh.
oh trust me they make me laugh too. however sometimes active ground personnel who can't see past their own noses make me laugh as well, even if that laugh is tinged with regret. -
Sorry baby, in all my years in a reg-only unit, i've come to learn that to "fire in anger" means to pull the trigger without using my brain.
Oh and by the way, i'm still calling your bluff. Where were you from?
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
That really pisses me off.You've seen the situation at the Straits or not?!
DON'T FREAKING TALK ANYMORE RUBBISH.
Do you know what our boys are doing there to keep the M'sians away?
You don't know, you keep your bloody mouth shut. The lost lives guarding that sector were to safe-guard that area and you have the bloody cheek to tell me that.
Ever crossed your mind that those lives would never have been lost in the first place if the government decided not to press the issue?
Bloody cheek? Defending the same regime that caused the deaths of those
people you arguably care about is more than cheek, it's freaking tragic. -
Originally posted by Hellraiza:
Sorry baby, in all my years in a reg-only unit, i've come to learn that to "fire in anger" means to pull the trigger without using my brain.
Oh and by the way, i'm still calling your bluff. Where were you from?
Same words, different context, different meaning. Hope everyone understands this.
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Originally posted by rooki:
Ever crossed your mind that those lives would never have been lost in the first place if the government decided not to press the issue?
yah then in war or in period of hostility, in period when someone is insulting your sovereignty, just submit to your enemies to prevent the lost of lives alright? by that method then there is no need to press the issue with armed patrols and the demostration of force.I hope u are not a Singaporean.
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well too bad that fellow seems to think that her definition should be entered into the oxford dictionary or smth.
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Originally posted by foxtrout8:
yah then in war or in period of hostility, in period when someone is insulting your sovereignty, just submit to your enemies to prevent the lost of lives alright? by that method then there is no need to press the issue with armed patrols and the demostration of force.I hope u are not a Singaporean.
If every country responds to any 'insult to sovereignty' with force, pretty soon there'll be no humans left. Hey, even American pleas to release Michael Fay are 'insults to sovereignty'!
You wanna make slippery-slope arguments, so can I. The importance of Pedra Branca has been overinflated by the government and the media. How can the loss or gain of such a remote lighthouse be a threat to Singapore's continued survival? Note I said 'survival', not 'dominance' or 'superiority'. The harping on the point that dominance = survival is merely rhetoric, and has caused the increase in tension among SEAsian states.
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Originally posted by rooki:
Ever crossed your mind that those lives would never have been lost in the first place if the government decided not to press the issue?
Bloody cheek? Defending the same regime that caused the deaths of those
people you arguably care about is more than cheek, it's freaking tragic.
Look who's the pansy. -
Originally posted by rooki:
If every country responds to any 'insult to sovereignty' with force, pretty soon there'll be no humans left. Hey, even American pleas to release Michael Fay are 'insults to sovereignty'!
You wanna make slippery-slope arguments, so can I. The importance of Pedra Branca has been overinflated by the government and the media. How can the loss or gain of such a remote lighthouse be a threat to Singapore's continued survival? Note I said 'survival', not 'dominance' or 'superiority'. The harping on the point that dominance = survival is merely rhetoric, and has caused the increase in tension among SEAsian states.
Survive survive survive, you're really one heck of a pansy.What slippery-slope argument?
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Look who's the pansy.Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Survive survive survive, you're really one heck of a pansy.What slippery-slope argument?
If you're trying to insult me by calling me a pansy, you're doing it wrong.
After all, I'm not the one acting all tough and mighty behind the keyboard.
Are you so retarded to not know the meaning of a slippery-slope argument?
Here's an example:
- S'pore loses PB.
- Malaysia gets bold and tries to conquer Pulaus Tekong, Ubin, Semakau, Jurong, and what-have-you.
- Finally only Singapore island itself is left. Malaysia, with its superior resources, curbstomps Singapore easily.
- All Singaporean women become Malaysian maids.
I hope you're clearer on the meaning now.
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sometimes, have we forgotten why we fight, when needed, in times of conflict?
it's not because we want to protect this country.
it's not because we want to protect the government.
it's not because we want to protect the president and the constitution.
it's because we want to protect our loved ones. our families, our friends, our mates that are beside us on the frontlines.
there's no point arguing whether our NSmen are masculine or garang enough to fight back at robbers or whether they are just soft wussies who won't hesitate to run at the first sign of trouble.
in the end, when crunch time comes and they face a choice between shooting the enemy or risk losing his family, his life or his friends,
they will just pull the trigger. hesitation on the trigger no longer appears when your most fundamental desire to protect your loved ones arises.
i do not care whether most NSFs, NSmen or regulars are wussies or garang.
i do not bother if foreigners need to serve NS (i hope they don't, ever).
i just know that at the frontline, given a rifle and the enemy is in my crosshair, i will not hesitate to pull the trigger.
not for the country, not for the government, not for the president and the constitution.
it's just something i can do for my family, my friends and my mates.
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i am rather concerned regarding how much money the government is spending on foreign talents here, esp the prc students.
i personally feel that with that the money should be given to our own local students. I've seen many local students who struggle with payment for university, and have to work part time while studying. why is the money given to these people who use singapore as a spring board for other countries? why are we giving them free money when many of our local students struggle to pay off their education loans for local university education?
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Originally posted by lovegoddes:
i am rather concerned regarding how much money the government is spending on foreign talents here, esp the prc students.
i personally feel that with that the money should be given to our own local students. I've seen many local students who struggle with payment for university, and have to work part time while studying. why is the money given to these people who use singapore as a spring board for other countries? why are we giving them free money when many of our local students struggle to pay off their education loans for local university education?
Because Singaporeans are there to be taken advantage of? While foreigners have to be enticed to come, Singaporeans are basically stuck here due to inertia and anti-migration propaganda.
The only entity more pathetic than clueless SG men is the current despotic regime.
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Originally posted by rooki:
If every country responds to any 'insult to sovereignty' with force, pretty soon there'll be no humans left. Hey, even American pleas to release Michael Fay are 'insults to sovereignty'!
You wanna make slippery-slope arguments, so can I. The importance of Pedra Branca has been overinflated by the government and the media. How can the loss or gain of such a remote lighthouse be a threat to Singapore's continued survival? Note I said 'survival', not 'dominance' or 'superiority'. The harping on the point that dominance = survival is merely rhetoric, and has caused the increase in tension among SEAsian states.
I was talking about the demostration of force, i wasnt talking about using unnecessary force or just force(war), please get it right. If there is no need for a demostration of force to demostrate our intend on that island as a response to Malaysia's naval intrusion, then we might as well give the island to the Malaysians whom will promptly set up more patrols in the area, followed by unrestricted entry onto our island.You truely demostrate the lack of knowledge in such field by having no appreciation on the importance of Pedra Branca. Security is survival (if u cannot acknowledge this then u are in no position to make comments on such issues) and Pedra Branca is crucial to our security and therefore our survival. Further more, how can u underestimate the loss of a remote land crop? If losing that small land crop is nothing to Singapore, then losing a finger is nothing to you too.
If u see that there is no point to act accordingly to Malaysia's demand of and naval intrusion around that small piece of land, can i expect no protest and defence from you when i determinely demand a pinky from u with threatening intent?
Ball-less arse like u arent fit to call our soldiers wusses.
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Originally posted by rooki:
If you're trying to insult me by calling me a pansy, you're doing it wrong.
After all, I'm not the one acting all tough and mighty behind the keyboard.
No one is acting tough and mighty here u shameless loser. All we did was to prove our point with evidence of past deployments and experiences not by us but by SAF.
You on the other hand had the balls to call our men wusses, spoiled and weak while at the same time questioning the need to defend our piece of land, questioning the worth of our defenders laying down their lives for that cause of defending our land and our sovereignty. Furthermore u proved yourself stupid and retarded by making comments like US soldiers aint weak just because they own guns.
It is an insult for us ex servicemen and most importantly our ladies whom lost their lives at sea by underestimating the value till the extent of belittling that ultimate sacrifice.
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Lets all calm down here
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i thought the 4th university is going to be built in singapore..that will give solve the problem
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Originally posted by Beautiful951:
Lets all calm down here
regular discussion going around here eh? more like a debating session gone bad.... -
"The SAF personnel came to my school to give talk to the Pre-university boys which are gonna enlist into NS soon."
Was the SAF giving talks to animals?
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Originally posted by wanker10:
"The SAF personnel came to my school to give talk to the Pre-university boys which are gonna enlist into NS soon."
Was the SAF giving talks to animals?
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Originally posted by Man!x:
regular discussion going here eh? more like a debating session gone bad....
What regular?Sir, I'm a farking NSF who feels insulted by the mud slung by some witless and gutless idiots.
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
What regular?Sir, I'm a farking NSF who feels insulted by the mud slung by some witless and gutless idiots.
dont call me sir, i work for a living... anyway regular as in normal, not regular as in paid to slack, find fault and go home at 4 (not all, some) -
Originally posted by Man!x:
dont call me sir, i work for a living... anyway regular as in normal, not regular as in paid to slack, find fault and go home at 4 (not all, some)
Any civilian gets to be called sir what, sir...