Originally posted by angel7030:we are initially born like the early men, who haunt, naive and behave like animals, but since civilisation takes over, and we learn to eat in a proper manner, treat each other with respect and care for each other, but in civilisation, some of us become more evil, and these are dangerous, we call it intellectually evil, people knows and planned their evil deeds to destroy one another, you can see it in your everyday life.
If you let a child to roam by him/herself, he/she will get into bad influence easier than doing the good thing, cos human by nature, preferred fun and the easy way out of life, they hate discipline and routine life. But if you care for the child, groom him up with all the good habits and knowledge, he become civilised.
Having said that, there two kind of evil, one are good at heart, but living in a evil condition and thereby leading a evil life, you can see some gangsters are actually good at heart and some really very nasty. I call this the white spot among the black surface, and if you look at another kind of evil which is the most dangerous, these are evil living within the good peoples, I call it the black spot among the white surface. These are cunning people who can kill or eat you even without you knowning.
In taiwan, my buddhist master nun in a nunnery which i attended, tho buddhist by nature, she taught me the logo of taoism. If you look at it, you can see the white and the black spots within the two separate surfaces, and this go round and round, forming the world surrounded by earth, wind, fire, storm, rain, sunny etc etc. I also asked my Master, why there must be evil, can we not have evil, she said, evil is in everyone emotion, it just that the good one knows how to stop it, however, without evil, this world cannot survive, the ying yang rule applied.
Ah.. I forgot about the reply to my post.
Anyways u were talking about civilisation ? What is civilistion ? Civilization may be defined as a society of human beings living according to more or less, a defined pattern or social, cultural and possible religious doctrines. And people who do lead their lives according to this set pattern would be considered in the circle of civilized beings.
Even if you say we were like animals, I am sure then the mother does not eat the young ? And perhaps they were more "savage" in your eyes now fast forwarded a few thousand years, but given the time and situation then, were they not "civilised" ?
No doubt civilisation has made people become more evil,a few, some or majority I dont know, but beside the point of that, it still does not explain how man are evil to begin with.
Eating in a proper manner, who says the way I eat my chicken is savage while u eating with spoon and fork are not ? Again the terms like civilized and savage are socially constructed. Unless you give a more clearer objectively defined term, eventhough I understand what you are talking about, I have to add alot of assumptions for it to become logical and persuasive to me.
While you are getting religious in viewing "evil" its fine and all, but if I input religion as factor, then it may mean that civilisation and religion are almost synonomous to the upbringing and nurturing of good and/or what good is. While I do not disagree, it still does not answer your thought that man or humans are evil to begin with.
Letting a baby roaming around doing what he likes is not evil. Unless having fun and exploring things in an infant level is considered evil, then I got nothing to say. So again, u talk about nurturing by parents, again that does not mean that they are born evil. We all grew up and learn good and evil. If we were inherently evil, we will all be evil and at the young age we wouldve have murderous thoughts. Lack of knowledge or intellectual capacity does not equate to evil.
All in all its good with your explaination but you have only explained it in a religious point of view of evil.
Are we more "civilised" ? I dont think so. Compared to the dark ages. Technologically more advance ? Yes.
Philosophy and Theology once debated the cause of evil in the world, speculating whether it had a metaphysical nature: is it a fundamental part of the cosmos which competes with goodness? Or is it because of the free Will of Humankind? Then, of course, they debate free will vs determinism.
While you give a more religious account, I was hoping for something more different then the usual.
Each of us has a brain with a very large associative cortex. The largest part of a human brain is not hardwired at birth. The possiblities for each young brain are inestimable at that point in life. And the complexity of all the possible circuits that can develop in a human brain are, well, mind boggling. According to science that is.
In short, as we grow and develop, these circuits are connected, and when wired wrong, like a computer suffering from malware, causes it to do something contrary to the specifications intended.
So are we evil since birth ? I have to disagree with you on that point. But opinions like assholes. everyone's got one. Its who's shit that stinks more is the subject of debate lol!
Oh.. and.. LEGALISE MARIJUANA !!
BAN CIGARETTES AND ALCHOHOL!
Hiya,
I think that we inherited the Blitish Lor system. Please may the lor-ears help wit the his-story.
Australia that is the way to go, we send them all to batam or to balai or the riaus.
Go hang out with the Buayas and practice the Abu Sayor thingees.
I hate to think of terminating ppl. Not everyone gets to be a Robotic Gabriel ala Arnold.
Angel dear, them Romans do things like impaling, maybe I can show you one day. *wink*
A ten foot or longer pole. From rear exit of alimentary canal out through the mouth, missing all the vital organs. Still alive to enjoy the birds and the ants. Bad things those Romans. believe me this, that group of hippies called Our Lord Saviour Jesus and his crew. Lions and coliseums...
Marijuana causes a reduction in neural conduction and activity. It makes a person stupid. That is bad.
the other day I saw this fake blonde and her angkong boy boy.
Couple sticks of super glue and whatever in the stairway.
how ah? the mama shop man is the drug trafficker?
maybe she turns tricks to feed the habit?
PRP -- keep the law or amend it such as kick out (supported by funds of voluntary organisations -- such as the one you will found) or be a multiple organ donor.
Save a drug trafficker -- I am sure we will agree to taking money and throwing them out...
Cheers
1. Drug addicts take drug at their own free will. Don't they need to take responsibility for their actions? Does anyone blame cigarette manufaturers for spoiling the health of smokers?
2. Drug smugglers bring in drugs and hand them to someone to sell. Tthey should not be solely blamed for the availability of drugs here. More than 4 parties are responsibled for the drug abuse problem.
Originally posted by PRP:1. Drug addicts take drug at their own free will. Don't they need to take responsibility for their actions? Does anyone blame cigarette manufaturers for spoiling the health of smokers?
2. Drug smugglers bring in drugs and hand them to someone to sell. Tthey should not be solely blamed for the availability of drugs here. More than 4 parties are responsibled for the drug abuse problem.
1. Drug addicts suffer, get addicted, and cannot control themselves. It is illegal for anybody to possess illegal drug, so they get punished by the law as well.
Do we need to show you how cigarette can spoil health of smokers? How else do you think cigarette manufacturers should be blamed?
2. Drug smugglers bring in drugs, they should be hanged. Drug sellers buy drug and sell, they should be hanged. All 4 parties are responsible, and are punishable by law.
Actually there is a 5th party, those who protect the drugs smugglers. they should be caught and put to jail, write a million words, "I will not protect drug smugglers".
Excerpts from Straitstimes News:
"People assume you can have this safety and security without this framework of the law; that you can change it, and yet your safety and security will not be affected. But there are always trade-offs. The difficulty the Government has sometimes in explaining this is that the trade-offs are not apparent. The damage to a large number of others is not obvious. You save one life here, but 10 other lives will be gone. What will your choice be?
We are sending a signal to all the drug barons out there, just make sure you choose a victim who’s young, or who’s preferably a mother of a young child and use them as the people to carry the drugs into Singapore. And then there can be a lot of sympathy generated if they do get caught."
This is Shanmugam's argument for the hanging of Yong Vui Kong???!!!
Obviously the Mr. Shanmugam acknowledged that Yong is a victim.
Originally posted by PRP:
2. Drug smugglers bring in drugs and hand them to someone to sell. Tthey should not be solely blamed for the availability of drugs here. More than 4 parties are responsible for the drug abuse problem.
Each party takes part of the blame,then drug smugglers shouldn't get capital punishment.
Shanmugam said: "You save one life here, but 10 other lives will be gone. What will your choice be?"
I believe few ppl die from taking narcotic drugs. How did he come to the "1 life saved and 10 lives gone" opinion?
Originally posted by PRP:Shanmugam said: "You save one life here, but 10 other lives will be gone. What will your choice be?"
I think few ppl die from taking narcotic drugs. How does he get "1 life saved and 10 lives gone" conclusion?
So you think few ppl die from taking narcotic drugs.
How many is your "few"?
When the fear of death penalty is removed, and more ppl take their chances with drug trafficking, will your "few" deaths remain at the few level.
Whenever a case related to misuse of drugs is brought up, one thinks of Julia Bohl.
There was no outrage from the people who support the death penalty when Julia Bohl was spared the gallows.
She was not spared.
You can carry 20 grams of 50/50 heroin and not get the death penalty when above 15 grams of pure heroin gets you the death penalty.
Julia Bohl was 23 when she was charged with trafficking over 687 grams of cannabis, which carries the death penalty if she was convicted.The amount was later reduced to 281 grams out of the block of 687 grams of vegetable matter, if you believed the chemist's analysis. She could still face up to 20 years in jail.
She was only sentenced to 5 years in jail but was out in 3, apparently for good behaviour.
She has learnt her mistake and has moved on with her life. No such luck for the victim Yong Vui Kong. He's a dead man walking.
Originally posted by BadzMaro:Ah.. I forgot about the reply to my post.
Anyways u were talking about civilisation ? What is civilistion ? Civilization may be defined as a society of human beings living according to more or less, a defined pattern or social, cultural and possible religious doctrines. And people who do lead their lives according to this set pattern would be considered in the circle of civilized beings.
Even if you say we were like animals, I am sure then the mother does not eat the young ? And perhaps they were more "savage" in your eyes now fast forwarded a few thousand years, but given the time and situation then, were they not "civilised" ?
No doubt civilisation has made people become more evil,a few, some or majority I dont know, but beside the point of that, it still does not explain how man are evil to begin with.
Eating in a proper manner, who says the way I eat my chicken is savage while u eating with spoon and fork are not ? Again the terms like civilized and savage are socially constructed. Unless you give a more clearer objectively defined term, eventhough I understand what you are talking about, I have to add alot of assumptions for it to become logical and persuasive to me.
While you are getting religious in viewing "evil" its fine and all, but if I input religion as factor, then it may mean that civilisation and religion are almost synonomous to the upbringing and nurturing of good and/or what good is. While I do not disagree, it still does not answer your thought that man or humans are evil to begin with.
Letting a baby roaming around doing what he likes is not evil. Unless having fun and exploring things in an infant level is considered evil, then I got nothing to say. So again, u talk about nurturing by parents, again that does not mean that they are born evil. We all grew up and learn good and evil. If we were inherently evil, we will all be evil and at the young age we wouldve have murderous thoughts. Lack of knowledge or intellectual capacity does not equate to evil.
All in all its good with your explaination but you have only explained it in a religious point of view of evil.
Are we more "civilised" ? I dont think so. Compared to the dark ages. Technologically more advance ? Yes.
Philosophy and Theology once debated the cause of evil in the world, speculating whether it had a metaphysical nature: is it a fundamental part of the cosmos which competes with goodness? Or is it because of the free Will of Humankind? Then, of course, they debate free will vs determinism.
While you give a more religious account, I was hoping for something more different then the usual.
Each of us has a brain with a very large associative cortex. The largest part of a human brain is not hardwired at birth. The possiblities for each young brain are inestimable at that point in life. And the complexity of all the possible circuits that can develop in a human brain are, well, mind boggling. According to science that is.
In short, as we grow and develop, these circuits are connected, and when wired wrong, like a computer suffering from malware, causes it to do something contrary to the specifications intended.
So are we evil since birth ? I have to disagree with you on that point. But opinions like assholes. everyone's got one. Its who's shit that stinks more is the subject of debate lol!
In scientific term, we are animal named as Homo Saipen, considered to be the most intelligent animal around.
And bear in mind, buddhism and taosim to me and also to many in taiwan, is only a teaching, not a religion, i embraced their teaching but not those offering and praying ya. Unlike christianity or singapore here, they put it into religious, which can be both good and bad.
whatever civilisation can be defined, as long as you behave well, respect other as other respect upon you, you can be above that relam of civilisation.
Originally posted by PRP:Shanmugam said: "You save one life here, but 10 other lives will be gone. What will your choice be?"
I believe few ppl die from taking narcotic drugs. How did he come to the "1 life saved and 10 lives gone" opinion?
He mean 1 life died better then 10 live died.
Like the govt, those who support death penalty for drug trafficking problably have good intention but believe in the wrong means i.e. a cruel and inhuman punishment.
if you say or prove that you are informed, maybe that is abit cruel, but everyone knows that in this region, drug trafficking is a capital offence, it is not something that some know and some dunno. And while knowning it and yet still smuggle it, aren't you asking for cruelty to be beset on you??
sorry, should be, "if you say or prove that you are not informed"
Originally posted by PRP:Like the govt, those who support death penalty for drug trafficking problably have good intention but believe in the wrong means i.e. a cruel and inhuman punishment.
You see the punishment decide it is a cruel and inhuman punishment.
But for the offender, life in a small cell is a cruel and inhuman punishment, and death is great. Actually beheading by chopping off at one chop is the best. Chop, and the fellow suddenly feel light headed, and absolutely no pain. The head is known to say "ahhh!" and smile in relief.
Originally posted by angel7030:In scientific term, we are animal named as Homo Saipen, considered to be the most intelligent animal around.
And bear in mind, buddhism and taosim to me and also to many in taiwan, is only a teaching, not a religion, i embraced their teaching but not those offering and praying ya. Unlike christianity or singapore here, they put it into religious, which can be both good and bad.
whatever civilisation can be defined, as long as you behave well, respect other as other respect upon you, you can be above that relam of civilisation.
sweet angel, other respect you? what is and how is respect, define respect?
we should classify homosapien. there are many grades of homo sapiens. even if i behave well, i will still not get the respect i deserve. only i por karchng and smile smile everyday with people and force myself to mix around with them then i gain the respect. because like tht they will think i respect them mah
Originally posted by angel7030:if you say or prove that you are informed, maybe that is abit cruel, but everyone knows that in this region, drug trafficking is a capital offence, it is not something that some know and some dunno. And while knowning it and yet still smuggle it, aren't you asking for cruelty to be beset on you??
i agree. i got no money, the world falls like a storm upon me. traffickin drugs, quick money. anyway if i get caught hang i die close my eyes nothing more if i succeed i live and get money. who cares what the drug will do to the society.
so now kena caught have to hang lor no porb. the side dish is i can get narthan to parlon me haha
Originally posted by troublemaker2005:sweet angel, other respect you? what is and how is respect, define respect?
we should classify homosapien. there are many grades of homo sapiens. even if i behave well, i will still not get the respect i deserve. only i por karchng and smile smile everyday with people and force myself to mix around with them then i gain the respect. because like tht they will think i respect them mah
once u respect yourself, many will start to respect you, tho there might be few who are are bonkers and doesn't know how to respect themselves, and therefore, never respect others.
Yes indeed, they are many grades of orange, beetles, sunffowers etc etc, not just homo sapiens.
Originally posted by angel7030:
once u respect yourself, many will start to respect you, tho there might be few who are are bonkers and doesn't know how to respect themselves, and therefore, never respect others.Yes indeed, they are many grades of orange, beetles, sunffowers etc etc, not just homo sapiens.
i beg to differ. the sentence on not respecting oneself if one do not respct others.
sometimes show of respect ppl thhink you scareof them so they push one inch forward. actually the don;trspect me because i single and no siblings so they try to get close to me to inherit whatever i have. when they fail they disrespect me lor. come to tthink of it their face sux big time, one of the reason why i see them no up. and this trafficker, i wonder why so long a discussion. just hang the martha fooker lar.
the more you wrote the more i feel like we switch over position the next timewe meet at ECP underpass, instead of me impaling you do the implaing with a strap on. haha
Punishment for drug trafficking: inject into the body the same amount of drugs the culprit was trying to traffick. If he dies, it's justice. If he lives, send him to drug rehab for cold turkey.
after 11 pages i am interested to know one thang. is he hanged?
Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
i beg to differ. the sentence on not respecting oneself if one do not respct others.sometimes show of respect ppl thhink you scareof them so they push one inch forward. actually the don;trspect me because i single and no siblings so they try to get close to me to inherit whatever i have. when they fail they disrespect me lor. come to tthink of it their face sux big time, one of the reason why i see them no up. and this trafficker, i wonder why so long a discussion. just hang the martha fooker lar.
the more you wrote the more i feel like we switch over position the next timewe meet at ECP underpass, instead of me impaling you do the implaing with a strap on. haha
That is why you must know where is the limit of respect line, we respect people of much variety, from dish collector to tyhcoon, the condition and atomsphere also determine our limitation. Like a guy, who dated me and got no money or lack of money to pay the bills, what kind of respect limitation can you give to such a guy?? Repect or no respect given differentiate from each individual, and that is why you got different thinkers, you got arguement, fighting, debate, forums etc etc to voice or express it out.