http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/72375 en-US 60 <blockquote> <p>Originally posted by www:<br /> <strong>[b]By Tan Tarn How<br /> <br /> SINGAPORE men - it's time to buck up.</strong><br /> Why, he lamented, were questions about the baby shortage always directed at women as if it were solely their issue.<br /> <br /> 'Men's minds have not been sufficiently 'liberated'.'<br /> <br /> <span style="color: blue;">hahaha.. ok. now it has become our fault.</span>[/b]</p> </blockquote> <p>Aiyo- so troublesome. As I say reduce the population to 2 Million. Then everybody happy. No more fights and no more trouble between men and women.<br /> <br /></p> Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:43:43 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:10:72375:1671314 relevation http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/72375 <p>say watever they like coz having a baby or not is up to the couple... no one can force them... bringing up kids nowadays involves spending quality and meaningful time with them...<br /> <br /> Gone are the days in the past where they just give birth and provide with the meagre means that they can provide and let the kids grow up by themselves...<br /> <br /> Even the name of the reporter tell us to wait and see how... <img title="Laughing" src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /></p> Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:19:25 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:10:72375:1644243 windjammer http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/72375 <p>Men have already share the household (including babies) workload. Only some poeple (especially MP) do not konw</p> Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:52:24 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:10:72375:1644198 chualcsg http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/72375 <p><strong>By Tan Tarn How<br /> <br /> SINGAPORE men - it's time to buck up.</strong><br /> <br /> You'd better start pulling your weight at home or women will continue voting with their wombs and choose career over children. Don't even think that the pro-baby goodies you throw at them are enough.<br /> <br /> This was the reality check issued to the Singapore male yesterday by four MPs, one of whom was a man.<br /> <br /> The first in the House in the two days of debate to blame his own gender, Dr Mohamad Maliki Osman's message echoed that of his female counterparts: Dad has to share equally in bringing up baby or there won't be any baby to take care of.<br /> <br /> Why, he lamented, were questions about the baby shortage always directed at women as if it were solely their issue.<br /> <br /> Said the Sembawang GRC MP: 'Perhaps that is why we have not been able to reverse the trend.<br /> <br /> 'Men's minds have not been sufficiently 'liberated'.'<br /> <br /> The solution was for men to be comfortable with their masculinity and thus treat their partners as equal, said the father of two young children.<br /> <br /> The Government too must have family policies that are equal for both sexes, he said.<br /> <br /> 'Only then will we send the strong message to our womenfolk that they should and will be supported when they bear our children.'<br /> <br /> The mixed signals sent to women - that they should pursue a career and yet be left holding the baby, as it were, was also the grouse of Dr Amy Khor (Hong Kah GRC) and Miss Irene Ng (Tampines GRC).<br /> <br /> A mother of three, Dr Khor blamed it on a conservative society, a government which supported a 'patriarchal and male-dominated society' and women's own wish to fulfil themselves as individuals.<br /> <br /> Forced to choose, women increasingly opt for career over children.<br /> <br /> Like Dr Maliki, she wanted more shared responsibility between husband and wife.<br /> <br /> Also on her wishlist: longer paternity leave, equal medical benefits for women in the civil service, citizenship rights for children of a Singaporean woman and her foreign husband, and the right of women to claim child relief and maid levy tax breaks.<br /> <br /> 'Please listen to women', was her closing plea.<br /> <br /> Amending that to 'Please listen to women as equals', Miss Ng said measures such as maternity leave and baby bonuses might not be enough to stop the slide in the birth rate here.<br /> <br /> What was needed was to 'move from our patriarchal system to a more gender-equal one'.<br /> <br /> She asked for the Government to get out of the family affairs of Singaporeans by not telling them who should be head of the household, and to set an example of giving up to two weeks' paternity leave to civil servants.<br /> <br /> Miss Indranee Thurai Rajah (Tanjong Pagar GRC), one of 21 MPs who spoke yesterday, also doubted that money talked loud enough.<br /> <br /> If she were married, and considering having children, 'the single most important thing to me would be that I had the husband's support because I would have to know that he would be there if I needed for him to take on part of the role', said the 40-year-old lawyer.<br /> <br /> What was needed was nothing less than a social and mindset change, she said.<br /> <br /> Otherwise, the policies that result are 'only addressing symptoms and not necessarily the cause'.<br /> <br /> <span style="color: blue;">hahaha.. ok. now it has become our fault.</span></p> Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:00:00 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:10:72375:1643375 www http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/72375