http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/posts en-US 60 <p>1.emergency evcaution for fear of dam collapse</p> <p><img src= "http://i1.sinaimg.cn/dy/c/2008-05-17/U2181P1T1D15561446F21DT20080517192730.jpg" height="367" alt="" width="550" /></p> <p>http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2008-05-17/182915561446.shtml</p> <p>17 05 2008 evening news</p> <p><img src= "http://i3.sinaimg.cn/dy/c/2008-05-17/U2181P1T1D15561446F23DT20080517192730.jpg" height="367" alt="" width="550" /></p> <p>2.&nbsp; http://taiwan.huanqiu.com/hot/2008-05/114268_2.html</p> <p>before--left&nbsp; and after--right</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><img src= "http://himg1.huanqiu.com/attachment/080517/271350a7e4.jpg" height= "771" alt="" width="530" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 22:24:43 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8093635 lionnoisy http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>US wil provide satellite images for rescue.</p> <p>http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2008/may/104967.htm</p> <p><img src= "http://i1.sinaimg.cn/jc/2008-05-17/U2142P27T1D500780F3DT20080517111008.jpg" height="389" alt="" width="550" /></p> <p>the terrible terrain....</p> <p>http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2008-05-17/1110500780.html</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 21:58:16 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8093555 lionnoisy http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>Wonder if one day, there will be a elite group of soldiers shooting at each other with their assult rifles while flying in the air on these wings.</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 17:49:30 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317730:8093208 cairocks http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317730 <p>so what different from throwing drinking bottled water from heli down?</p> <p>doesn't that waste of effort?</p> <p>how many bottle from heli can landed safely?</p> <p>bottle drinking water is different from boxed maggie mee!</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 10:27:13 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092407 zaxis http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by zaxis:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>their heli must be require very big landing ground</p> <p>i do not see why they need to air drop drinking water? according to report 10 - 50 meter?</p> <p>also can see from picture or video there are open rice field, why cannot land on rice field?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style= "color: black; font-family: Arial;">Maybe to avert pestilence? Water may have already been polluted considering how many people died and can’t be retrieved in time. Drinking such water can be devastating.</span></p> <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">&nbsp;</p> <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style= "color: black; font-family: Arial;">Rice field is muddy place, no helo wants to be trapped in a swamp.</span></p> Sat, 17 May 2008 10:14:33 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092401 38Ž http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by zaxis:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>also can see from picture or video there are open rice field, why cannot land on rice field?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> I believe it's because they are in need of all those necessseties like rice and thus, do not want their helis to hand on the rice fields and destroy them.</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 10:11:12 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092397 jayh272416 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>their heli must be require very big landing ground</p> <p>i do not see why they need to air drop drinking water? according to report 10 - 50 meter?</p> <p>also can see from picture or video there are open rice field, why cannot land on rice field?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 10:05:35 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092387 zaxis http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by 38Ž:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style= "font-family: Arial; color: black;">Basically every earthquake rescue is the same, before any human rescue is concluded, you have to basically use hand or light hand hold equipments to do the jobs. Even though, the earthquake has essentially whipped out the only road linking inside the affected area. Which means heavy equipments are difficult to be moved in in time. As most posters have already pointed out, the airlifting is initially huddled by the poor weather and the mountainous terrain, would you blunt enough here to tell us, pilot a Helo above the sea surface is exactly the same in a hilly and windy terrain with poor visibility?</span></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>well ,u want me to be blunt ,&nbsp; as a non-pilot , and my limited knowledge aerodynamics and almost no knowledge in the mechanics of piloting a Helicopter,I have to say that ,&nbsp; to pilot a Helo above the&nbsp; <span style= "font-family: Arial; color: black;">the sea surface is NOT exactly the same in a hilly and windy terrain with poor visibility? Cause one is on sea , the other is in a hilly and windy terrain with poor visibility. lol. Unless the sea is windy with poor visibility too. anyways.. its not easy and safe in both situations<br /></span></p> <p>But whatever it is , the mobilisation is impressive given the curcumstances.</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 09:56:17 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092381 BadzMaro http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by BadzMaro:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>At the moment , they just need to send in masses and masses of ground troops. Pushing in slowly , the mobilisation is so propaganda man.. lol. Volunteer troops and people by the tens and thousands. Even with lack of air capabilities , they are showing to the world that the unity and duty . Communitarian style.</p> <p>China style disaster relief.</p> <p>There was once at a place where there was flood , PLA ran out of sand bags and troops volunteered to become sandbags. Damn i need to find that story. I idid not believe at first. lol</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style= "color: black; font-family: Arial;">Basically every earthquake rescue is the same, before any human rescue is concluded, you have to basically use hand or light hand hold equipments to do the jobs. Even though, the earthquake has essentially whipped out the only road linking inside the affected area. Which means heavy equipments are difficult to be moved in in time. As most posters have already pointed out, the airlifting is initially huddled by the poor weather and the mountainous terrain, would you blunt enough here to tell us, pilot a Helo above the sea surface is exactly the same in a hilly and windy terrain with poor visibility?</span></p> Sat, 17 May 2008 09:38:33 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092367 38Ž http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style= "font-family: Times New Roman;"><span style= "font-family: Garamond;">Taking the US army’s handling 2005</span> <span style="font-family: Garamond;">Hurricane Katrina as a case, the human relief operation in large scale is always more complicated than what we thought easily.</span></span></p> <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style= "font-family: Garamond;">&nbsp;</span></p> <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style= "font-family: Garamond;">The Sichuan earthquake has so far affected an area of more than 100000 sqkms and a population of near 5 millions. The aftershocks and bad weather and totally downed infrastructures and mountainous terrain make the rescue more difficult. For comparison, US army is much better equipped, the hurricane affected area’s infrastructures are basically intact and it happened in a flatted area. Yet the relief comes much later, remember the riots when the frustrated victims waiting for days for the relieving conveys? <span style="">&nbsp;</span></span></p> <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">&nbsp;</p> <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">&nbsp;</p> <p class="" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">&nbsp;</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 09:25:31 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092358 38Ž http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>How come I go course? I was a tan chiak peng mah!! kena go on course non stop until ROD</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 08:57:51 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:316937:8092328 Short Ninja http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/316937 <p>At the moment , they just need to send in masses and masses of ground troops. Pushing in slowly , the mobilisation is so propaganda man.. lol. Volunteer troops and people by the tens and thousands. Even with lack of air capabilities , they are showing to the world that the unity and duty . Communitarian style.</p> <p>China style disaster relief.</p> <p>There was once at a place where there was flood , PLA ran out of sand bags and troops volunteered to become sandbags. Damn i need to find that story. I idid not believe at first. lol</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 08:35:21 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092310 BadzMaro http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>intergrating technology with people and usage of equipment sometime goes into planning as well.&nbsp;And it&nbsp;takes an understanding of how it can work.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I had involved in labor intensive industry between SG and PRC. I can see the different management in&nbsp;implementing and managing&nbsp;a process and using technology to managed factory&nbsp;compare to Chinese base mgt&nbsp;preference of using&nbsp;human skills. &nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>It is kind of surprise that with&nbsp;the huge defence budget we now see that support equipment was not considered. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 07:38:48 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092278 Arapahoe http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>It seems that the PLA Air Force is still technologically weak in terms of the latest electronic suites that are nearly standard with most western makes of aircrafts that allow 'All Weather Operation'.</p> <p>Cockpit instrumentation in all &nbsp;the latest aircraft types would have allowed for flight in bad weather - that include flying through cloud or fog.</p> <p>For military helicopter operation, the basic cockpit instrumentation that include digital map, GPS, inertial reference unit, Doppler radar, attitude and heading reference system - will probably help the PLA &nbsp;to overcome the present difficulties encountered.</p> <p>Concerning the use of RSAF Chinooks to assist the DART team in the rescue efforts in China, it is unlikely that it can be done without the approval from the US Government.</p> <p>Under the Rules of Purchase between the US and Singapore Governments, it would have precluded the use of the RSAF&nbsp;Chinooks to operate in territories that are&nbsp;considered a threat to US interests.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 06:30:01 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092258 Atobe http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>Actually... for 130,000 troops mobilized.... which is what i got a saw on the web... there is only 110 helicopters... something on another posters...which is a very lousy ratio...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I am not saying the SAF is better then the PLA... please! it is like saying an ant is stronger then an elephant!...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>but the PLA is suppose to be modernized.... and become a '3G' type army with modern equipment... but from the soldier hiking article, it is largely still a "foot" army... with 'leg' infantry....</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>maybe only a very very small elite force is heli-capable.... the rest are still 'leg' infantry or 'motorized' only.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I think probably the 101st Air assualt division will have more heli-lift then the entire 'rescue' effort.... of 110 copters...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>another likelihood is that the central govt is not really mobilizing all their forces... and is reserving their strategic reserve for other contingencies....</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I doubt the chinese govt will 'accept' help in the form of Chinook helicopters from sgp or any other govt.. it will be a loss of 'face'...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>actually, you can see the US, Indian or Russian military planners... to see how crippled the PLA is when the roads are destroyed.... what they have on their mind...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 05:01:50 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092245 spencer99 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>The para op was led by the head of the jump sch and his deputy. Probably garang soldiers.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>15 of them made it down and cancelled the operation due to bad weather. since then, no more airborne op afaik?</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 02:26:57 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8092083 Pitot http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>hmmm....that would mean a new battlion of Air Guards new equipment.</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 01:55:14 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317730:8092039 Arapahoe http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317730 <p>I was thinking maybe they can do heli rappling? Then drop supplies from the copters down to the epic center..</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><br /> Then they can also set up temp aid stations or hospital using the uber big tent.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>I was thinking if they could use motorbikes.. like you know those scramblers... just maybe 1 bike and 1 soilder with medical supply and food and water? No idea leh..</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>but dont flame me heh.</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 01:07:21 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8091933 Cpt.ZR http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>how come u go course? i was ammo tech in army haha..</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 00:32:00 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:316937:8091851 purpledragon84 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/316937 <p>they even did airborne jumps...</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 00:14:41 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8091788 wonderamazement http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632 <p>I went for the 81mm course donkey years&nbsp;&nbsp;paiseh I cant remember a thing also</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 00:14:05 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:316937:8091786 Short Ninja http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/316937 <p>oh paiseh i mean the 81mm hehe.. 60mm i buay hiao hahaha..</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 00:08:12 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:316937:8091777 purpledragon84 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/316937 <p>Cuz I remembered there was a case where the bomb exploded in the barrel killing and maiming the 3 men team and this actually happened not long before they scrap the 60mm</p> Sat, 17 May 2008 00:05:07 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:316937:8091770 Short Ninja http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/316937 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Short Ninja:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>60mm not suited for close terrain fighting anyway I cant quite remember but I think the bomb is armed as soon as it leaves the barrel so it is dangerous unlike the 81mm where the bomb is armed when it is upside down on the descend</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>well it depends on the fuze actually..</p> Fri, 16 May 2008 23:54:18 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:316937:8091747 purpledragon84 http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/316937 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by arball:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>saw the image and was a bit puzzled...;;;didnt know that china had blackhawks...</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> PLA Army Aviation got 2 dozens of S-70 Black hawks since 1980s, 20 belived still functional. As a matter of fact, the 1st copter landing in Wenchuan, the isolated area was done by the blackhawk, yet another impressive performance by the blackhawk:</p> <p><a href="http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/s70.asp" rel= "nofollow">http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/s70.asp</a></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><img src= "http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/helicopter/images/s70_01.jpg" alt="" /></p> Fri, 16 May 2008 23:31:35 +0800 www.sgforums.com:1164:317632:8091683 38Ž http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/317632