http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/Vietnam/allied/ch06.htm

Read if you have the patience.......
After reading ,i am amazed by those korean soldiers in vietnam, it is like them trashing the nva and vietcong in their homeland when they have the advantage of knowing the terrain better than the korean counterparts.
Maybe the saf should train soldiers to be like this......... SOLID!!

No comment,
But you could check their performance in their homeland back in Korean war 1st.

Originally posted by coolant:

No comment,
But you could check their performance in their homeland back in Korean war 1st.

What is amazing is they fought well on war that is not their's....

One report I read said that one of the reasons for the ROK's success is because of brutality.

They brought their deep hatred of communist from their own bitter experience of the Korean War over to Vietnam. So to them it is as if they are fighting Korean War 2 in Vietnam.

They were ruthless in the areas that they controlled and probably tortured and killed far more people than the NVA or VC put together. Needless to say, innocent people were not always spared either.

As far as the ROK were concerned, the Vietnamese people were either communist or know someone who is a communist.

It was reported that communist activites in the ROK AO were nearly zero.

Whether this is good or not I leave it to you.

should read about the Puerto Rican 65th Infantry Regiment against Chinese troops.

Most remarkable point of Puerto Rico 65th in Korean War is its braveness to enable US 1st Marine Division withdrew from famous Chosin Reservoir in dec,1950, when the Marines were encircled by the PLA. However, the overall gloomy big retreat of the UN force including the 1st Marine Division was started by the easily collapse of ROK II Corp overrun by Chinese troops, that not only made the supposed to be centered 2 US Infantry Divisions become flank units of the whole 8th Army & X Corp, but also, The overrun of the ROK II Corp post allowed PLA infiltrated several regiments into the heights that overlooking the only retreat route of the US 25th , 2nd divisions and Turkish brigades. The late fate of these retreated units were doomed obviously, ironically, from the size of PLA infiltrated units( several reigments), that the force overran ROK II Corp was never big, considering ROK II Corp was made of 4 Divisions

http://www.korean-war.com/TimeLine/1950/11-23to12-31-50.html

By shortly after midnight a confused battle was taking place all three 2 ID regiments were engaged but had been fragmented into company and part battalion sized units by infiltrating Chinese and were attacking units from all directions. Another CCF regiment infiltrated across the Ch'ongch'on River north of Kunu-ri and attacked the two reserve battalion 23rd and the three artillery battalions. This attack was turned but the Chinese withdrew to a mountain known as "Chinaman's Hat", located northeast of the 23rd but south of the rearmost positions of the 9th. Fighting tapered off at dawn but by noon word arrived that ROK II Corps 7th & 8th Divisions had been overrun and ROK II Corps was retreating in mass, thus making the 2 ID not only the flank unit for IX corps but also for Eighth Army. The route of ROK II Corps allowed the Chinese to infiltrate several regiments and turn them toward the mountains overlooking the road between Kunu-ri and Sunch'on, the 2 ID & Turkish Brigades withdrawal route. It also allowed the Chinese to attack down the road toward Kunu-ri. To counter these incursions, the 1st Cavalry Division moved to take up positions at Sunch'on and the road leading east from there. The Turkish Brigade received orders to move from Kunu-ri eastward to Tokch'on and clear the town.

Far to the west in I Corps area the 24th ID was ordered to halt its advance and be prepared to withdraw back to the Ch'ongch'on. The same order went out to the ROK 1st Division.

Originally posted by coolant:
...ironically, from the size of PLA infiltrated units( several reigments), that the force overran ROK II Corp was never big, considering ROK II Corp was made of 4 Divisions

The ROK of Korean War fought very bravely and suffered one of the heaviest casualty rates in KW. But they were poorly-trained, poorly-led and poorly-armed back then. Unlike later on.

FYI….North Korea also helped Vietcong during Vietnam war…but in terms of air power, nothing mentioned about ground troops aid like ROK to the South Vietnam…....

Actually besides ROK, the Aussies did very well in the Vietnam war too.

Disciplined, jungle smart and brave. Even the VCs and NVA respected them.

Like what Rommel said before "Give me 2 Australian Infantry Division and I would conquer the world!"

In a letter to Adolf Hitler about the siege of Tobruk "Give me a legion of South Africans(afrikaners) and I will give you the world"

Extracted from rommel's quote.

So which country in asia produces the best quality soldiers in terms of fighting capability(e.g hand to hand?) and not in terms of technological equipments like singapore?

I would vote People’s Volunteer Army(PVA) ’s 113th Division( Now is PLA’s 113th Mechanised Infantry Division ) best ever performer, after smashing the ROK II Corps’ 7th & 8th Division overnight, the 113th Division penetrated deep into UN line, marching 45 miles in 14 hours on feet, dubbed 2 feet are faster than 4 wheels( Yank’s motorized infantry), the division captured Samso-ri at 800 hours on Nov.28, cutting off the withdraw route of the UN forces south to Sunchon.

To esacpe the closing encirclement north of Chongchon, the whole Eighth Army started to retreat on Nov. 29 1950. Blocked by PVA 113th Division composited with only 3 regiments, US 2d Division fought fiercely to escape south to Sunchon, in the meantime, US 1st Calvary Division and British 29th Brigade attacked north trying to open the block, under such a sandwiched attacks from superior forces & heavy air raid, the 113th Division fought stubbornly despite heavy losses. Although the UN forces on the North and South were merely 1km (0.6 miles) apart, they were unable to remove the 113th Division block and join with each other. Facing the block by PVA 113th, a remaining regiment of 2d Division broke out westward along the withdraw route of 24th and 25th divisions. The consequence: US 2nd division alone lost 1/3 of its combatants and all heavy equipments. On Dec.1, UN forces were ordered to retreat to south of 38th parallel and the Commander of the US 2nd Division was dismissed.

Originally posted by coolant:

I would vote People’s Volunteer Army(PVA) ’s 113th Division( Now is PLA’s 113th Mechanised Infantry Division ) best ever performer, after smashing the ROK II Corps’ 7th & 8th Division overnight, the 113th Division penetrated deep into UN line, marching 45 miles in 14 hours on feet, dubbed 2 feet are faster than 4 wheels( Yank’s motorized infantry), the division captured Samso-ri at 800 hours on Nov.28, cutting off the withdraw route of the UN forces south to Sunchon.

To esacpe the closing encirclement north of Chongchon, the whole Eighth Army started to retreat on Nov. 29 1950. Blocked by PVA 113th Division composited with only 3 regiments, US 2d Division fought fiercely to escape south to Sunchon, in the meantime, US 1st Calvary Division and British 29th Brigade attacked north trying to open the block, under such a sandwiched attacks from superior forces & heavy air raid, the 113th Division fought stubbornly despite heavy losses. Although the UN forces on the North and South were merely 1km (0.6 miles) apart, they were unable to remove the 113th Division block and join with each other. Facing the block by PVA 113th, a remaining regiment of 2d Division broke out westward along the withdraw route of 24th and 25th divisions. The consequence: US 2nd division alone lost 1/3 of its combatants and all heavy equipments. On Dec.1, UN forces were ordered to retreat to south of 38th parallel and the Commander of the US 2nd Division was dismissed.

they peeled..thats their secret... first line soldier march like hell for a certain range...then rest ...second line continue..and so on..and so on..and so on..

Originally posted by coolant:

I would vote People’s Volunteer Army(PVA) ’s 113th Division( Now is PLA’s 113th Mechanised Infantry Division ) best ever performer, after smashing the ROK II Corps’ 7th & 8th Division overnight, the 113th Division penetrated deep into UN line, marching 45 miles in 14 hours on feet, dubbed 2 feet are faster than 4 wheels( Yank’s motorized infantry), the division captured Samso-ri at 800 hours on Nov.28, cutting off the withdraw route of the UN forces south to Sunchon.

To esacpe the closing encirclement north of Chongchon, the whole Eighth Army started to retreat on Nov. 29 1950. Blocked by PVA 113th Division composited with only 3 regiments, US 2d Division fought fiercely to escape south to Sunchon, in the meantime, US 1st Calvary Division and British 29th Brigade attacked north trying to open the block, under such a sandwiched attacks from superior forces & heavy air raid, the 113th Division fought stubbornly despite heavy losses. Although the UN forces on the North and South were merely 1km (0.6 miles) apart, they were unable to remove the 113th Division block and join with each other. Facing the block by PVA 113th, a remaining regiment of 2d Division broke out westward along the withdraw route of 24th and 25th divisions. The consequence: US 2nd division alone lost 1/3 of its combatants and all heavy equipments. On Dec.1, UN forces were ordered to retreat to south of 38th parallel and the Commander of the US 2nd Division was dismissed.

and the americans experienced their longest retreat ever in history during Korean War.

Koreans are just school kids when engaging the Chinese.

my relatives are koreans. My uncle got stabbed by the japanese during WWII. He crawed back home with his guts spilling out. My Aunt had to use her bare hands and push everything back into his body and sew it. Another of my uncle got stabbed by the north-koreans. He died. According to a witness he managed to pick an enemy grenade and blow himself and 1 other chinese soldier.

Originally posted by FG42:

Koreans are just school kids when engaging the Chinese.

And what do you think of them being badly trained? They were STILL RECOVERING from the japanese occupation. 10 years seems long? No it doesn't.

And don't try to tell me to stop sort of "flamming" And saying that how would i know anything about these things.

Due to those atrocities happening. My other uncles (yes,i have alot) 1 is a 2 star general of the korean marine corps. another is the head of the secret police.
Other 2 of them are a colonel and major respectively....

Originally posted by Alphapunk2:

my relatives are koreans. My uncle got stabbed by the japanese during WWII. He crawed back home with his guts spilling out. My Aunt had to use her bare hands and push everything back into his body and sew it. Another of my uncle got stabbed by the north-koreans. He died. According to a witness he managed to pick an enemy grenade and blow himself and 1 other chinese soldier.

And what do you think of them being badly trained? They were STILL RECOVERING from the japanese occupation. 10 years seems long? No it doesn't.

And don't try to tell me to stop sort of "flamming" And saying that how would i know anything about these things.

Due to those atrocities happening. My other uncles (yes,i have alot) 1 is a 2 star general of the korean marine corps. another is the head of the secret police.
Other 2 of them are a colonel and major respectively....

oh, poor koreans... why are you so unlucky? being sandwiched between 2 superpower China and Japan, under protection from uncle sam, there is almost nothing you can do alone...

btw, is the name of south korea "Daehan Minguk" (Great Republic of Korea) or something like that? so whats the "GREAT" deal about it and do you try to mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea

Originally posted by crusader91:

In a letter to Adolf Hitler about the siege of Tobruk "Give me a legion of South Africans(afrikaners) and I will give you the world"

Extracted from rommel's quote.

So which country in asia produces the best quality soldiers in terms of fighting capability(e.g hand to hand?) and not in terms of technological equipments like singapore?

countries who can brain wash their soldier into believing their cause and removed the moral of killing or able to justified killing will be a force to recken with.

Originally posted by Alphapunk2:

my relatives are koreans. My uncle got stabbed by the japanese during WWII. He crawed back home with his guts spilling out. My Aunt had to use her bare hands and push everything back into his body and sew it. Another of my uncle got stabbed by the north-koreans. He died. According to a witness he managed to pick an enemy grenade and blow himself and 1 other chinese soldier.

And what do you think of them being badly trained? They were STILL RECOVERING from the japanese occupation. 10 years seems long? No it doesn't.

And don't try to tell me to stop sort of "flamming" And saying that how would i know anything about these things.

Due to those atrocities happening. My other uncles (yes,i have alot) 1 is a 2 star general of the korean marine corps. another is the head of the secret police.
Other 2 of them are a colonel and major respectively....

yippeeee...we have a korean here as well.... is SGF becoming United Nations forum already?

Originally posted by Arapahoe:

countries who can brain wash their soldier into believing their cause and removed the moral of killing or able to justified killing will be a force to recken with.

Definitely not singaporeans........

Originally posted by Alphapunk2:
And what do you think of them being badly trained? They were STILL RECOVERING from the japanese occupation. 10 years seems long? No it doesn't.

Everyone was recovering from Japanese occupation.

The NKPA and the PLA, too. Right?

No shame in losing, so no need to make flimsy excuses. The ROK was reported by most authors as brave, but poorly armed and poorly-trained. Not their fault, really.

Originally posted by chino65:

Everyone was recovering from Japanese occupation.

The NKPA and the PLA, too. Right?

No shame in losing, so no need to make flimsy excuses. The ROK was reported by most authors as brave, but poorly armed and poorly-trained. Not their fault, really.

for PLA is rather recovering from Chinese civil war as it's KMT forces mostly doing the fighting against the Japanese during 2nd sino-japanese war....and after WW2 ended shortly the communist and nationalist forces fight again....

Originally posted by chino65:

Everyone was recovering from Japanese occupation.

The NKPA and the PLA, too. Right?

No shame in losing, so no need to make flimsy excuses. The ROK was reported by most authors as brave, but poorly armed and poorly-trained. Not their fault, really.

brave is one thing but being brave isnt enough, you need brains too.

Originally posted by Alphapunk2:

my relatives are koreans. My uncle got stabbed by the japanese during WWII. He crawed back home with his guts spilling out. My Aunt had to use her bare hands and push everything back into his body and sew it. Another of my uncle got stabbed by the north-koreans. He died. According to a witness he managed to pick an enemy grenade and blow himself and 1 other chinese soldier.

And what do you think of them being badly trained? They were STILL RECOVERING from the japanese occupation. 10 years seems long? No it doesn't.

And don't try to tell me to stop sort of "flamming" And saying that how would i know anything about these things.

Due to those atrocities happening. My other uncles (yes,i have alot) 1 is a 2 star general of the korean marine corps. another is the head of the secret police.
Other 2 of them are a colonel and major respectively....

the chinese were recovering from japanese invasion too and were poorly trained and armed. dont understand the so-called great-koreans needed excuses for their incompetant during korean war, in their homeland...

and... pls, dont tell us your grandfather stories here, or which koreans got raped by the japs, we are not interested.

Originally posted by crusader91:

Definitely not singaporeans........

I think the faithful islamic soldier who keep fighting for Allah and willing to die for God will be a force to ponder upon.

Originally posted by FG42:

the chinese were recovering from japanese invasion too and were poorly trained and armed. dont understand the so-called great-koreans needed excuses for their incompetant during korean war, in their homeland...

and... pls, dont tell us your grandfather stories here, or which koreans got raped by the japs, we are not interested.

this is a FREE forum, everybody is entitled to speak and tell story, if he has a story to tell.