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  • Dr Who's Avatar
    1,359 posts since Aug '04

    • Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats harassed and provoked three US Navy ships in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, threatening to blow up the American vessels, US officials said Monday. They described it as a serious provocation.

      US forces were on the verge of firing on the Iranian boats in the early Sunday incident, when the boats turned and moved away, a Defense Department official said. "It is the most serious provocation of this sort that we've seen yet," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

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      US forces were on the verge of firing........but......
      no balls to fire.......would you fire if you were commander?

      would you fire if you are a scholar officer? I doubt it.......bertter safe than sorry ( I mean your coming promotion)

      http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517316850&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

  • allentyb_v2.01's Avatar
    512 posts since Nov '07
  • edwin3060's Avatar
    240 posts since Jun '07
    • The Captain made what was, in hindsight, the right decision. The decision to NOT to fire required more balls than the decision to fire, because as you said, if he fired, he could just cover his ass easily by saying that they were taking aggressive action. If he didn't fire, and the Iranians really blew up his ship, and he survived, he would be court-martialed, given a dishonourable discharge, and (given the US legal system) may be sued for negligence by the kin of the deceased seamen under his command.

      Sometimes doing nothing is harder than doing something.

  • spencer99's Avatar
    1,909 posts since Jan '03
    • Originally posted by Dr Who:
      Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats harassed and provoked three US Navy ships in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, threatening to blow up the American vessels, US officials said Monday. They described it as a serious provocation.

      US forces were on the verge of firing on the Iranian boats in the early Sunday incident, when the boats turned and moved away, a Defense Department official said. "It is the most serious provocation of this sort that we've seen yet," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

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      US forces were on the verge of firing........but......
      no balls to fire.......would you fire if you were commander?

      would you fire if you are a scholar officer? I doubt it.......bertter safe than sorry ( I mean your coming promotion)

      http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1198517316850&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

      Essentially, if i am in his position, i will follow strictly to ROE...

  • SpecOps87's Avatar
    2,759 posts since Apr '04
    • Anywhere you go…you need supportive superiors and subordinates. If he was crystal clear that ROE allows him to fire, he should fire. I would rather be charged than have my family receive a flag.

  • Shotgun's Avatar
    5,691 posts since Jul '00
    • Iranian boats would have been blown out of the water before they could say "numbnuts."

      The boats were probably locked in the fire control radar, just waiting for the execute signal.

      The risks involved was not the survival of the US navy ships. But the series of possible events that may follow the sinking of Iranian Gunboats.

      "Do not fire until fired upon."

  • mr_sotong's Avatar
    9,659 posts since Sep '03
    • Originally posted by Dr Who:
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      US forces were on the verge of firing........but......
      no balls to fire.......

      this shows that how ignorant your are.. Rolling Eyes

  • President Nathan
    laurence82's Avatar
    85,381 posts since Nov '03
    • the iranian boats turned away just before the US forces going to fire

      what cowardly dogs

  • IAF's Avatar
    484 posts since Dec '02
  • LazerLordz's Avatar
    34,771 posts since Apr '03
    • Originally posted by IAF:
      really shit for brains iranian commander... almost sparked a war

      Like President, like soldier. Rolling Eyes

  • Fatum's Avatar
    22,149 posts since Aug '05
    • Originally posted by laurence82:
      the iranian boats turned away just before the US forces going to fire

      what cowardly dogs

      they know the americans are a lot more trigger happy than british sailors .... Laughing

  • maggot's Avatar
    3,947 posts since Jul '05
    • They took video of the incident and broadcast on Iranian TV Laughing

      They turned away because they cannot get american to shoot them after trying for so long Laughing

      They likely to try to get americans to shoot them again so as to get support from Arab states that the americans are the aggressor Laughing Laughing Laughing

  • airgrinder's Avatar
    2,020 posts since May '01
    • i think the same. Think they're trying to get the US to fire on them.

      Anyway, whether the US commander got balls or no balls, we can't say. The article itself would be US propaganda. Even if US have no/got balls, they'll say "on verge of firing".

  • chino65's Avatar
    526 posts since Jun '07
    • Maybe once the US open fire, they would not be able to hide the fact that they are actually in Iranian waters. Mr. Green

  • chino65's Avatar
    526 posts since Jun '07
    • Originally posted by laurence82:
      the iranian boats turned away just before the US forces going to fire

      what cowardly dogs

      The Iranian are in " boats ". The US are in " ships ".

      Who are the cowards again?

  • spencer99's Avatar
    1,909 posts since Jan '03
    • Originally posted by chino65:
      The Iranian are in " boats ". The US are in " ships ".

      Who are the cowards again?

      Yeah lah.. the Iranians are not cowards....

      actually i wonder whether this timing is related to the US elections.

  • President Nathan
    laurence82's Avatar
    85,381 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by chino65:
      The Iranian are in " boats ". The US are in " ships ".

      Who are the cowards again?

      then they should go ahead with their threats if they are not cowards, not rattle the sabre but not drawing it out

      Laughing

  • Arapahoe's Avatar
    2,015 posts since Jan '07
    • i saw the video clip was wondering what if the 5 “boat” happen to be suicide bomber and the vessel might not have enough time to react from the warning to the firing. if all 5 were to aim at a single target to achieve political goal.

  • tankfanatic's Avatar
    1,035 posts since Mar '07
    • Originally posted by laurence82:
      then they should go ahead with their threats if they are not cowards, not rattle the sabre but not drawing it out

      Laughing

      if they really attacking they would be dead...withdrawing is a smart move....anoying a destroyer using a mere boat is bravery...(plus stupidity....yet the withdrawal before the american shoot back is a smart move)

      i say one beer for the iranian stunt, in america people will call that move 'cool' or 'awsome'.

  • capiche?
    wonderamazement's Avatar
    10,775 posts since Dec '04
  • chino65's Avatar
    526 posts since Jun '07
    • Originally posted by tankfanatic:
      .... is bravery...(plus stupidity....

      Name one act of bravery that didn't involve a generous amount of stupidity... Mr. Green

  • Father Lim's Avatar
    1,235 posts since Mar '07
    • i think it took more balls not to shoot, than to shoot...
      political ramifications will be huge in this case esp since they are trying to get Iran to co-operate on the nuclear issue...
      plus Iran will just use this incident to push their case of US being big bullies, firing on innocent ships...

  • Shotgun's Avatar
    5,691 posts since Jul '00
    • Originally posted by Arapahoe:
      i saw the video clip was wondering what if the 5 "boat" happen to be suicide bomber and the vessel might not have enough time to react from the warning to the firing. if all 5 were to aim at a single target to achieve political goal.

      They sink a US warship while flying an iranian ensign, Iran will turn into radioactive Lake Tahoe.

  • maggot's Avatar
    3,947 posts since Jul '05
    • Originally posted by Shotgun:
      They sink a US warship while flying an iranian ensign, Iran will turn into radioactive Lake Tahoe.

      US won't nuke Iran

      Iran got LOTS of oil Laughing

  • President Nathan
    laurence82's Avatar
    85,381 posts since Nov '03
    • Originally posted by maggot:
      US won't nuke Iran

      Iran got LOTS of oil Laughing

      nuke the gahmen, get the oil

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