http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 en-US 60 <p>The handicapped guy claimed his radio was kaputs which is why he couldn't reply.&nbsp; As for these 2 Aussies, they probably thought they are above the law or some big fark or something.&nbsp; I agree, a hefty fine and jail term is in order.&nbsp; A small country like our's cannot risk having jack arses flying around as if their grandfathers own the country.</p> Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:30:51 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7819070 sgf http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>By sending our F16s up, it shows 2 things.<br /> Firstly, we are not taking our security for granted. We do not assume that a unverified plane, no matter fast or slow, to be harmless. As we are a very small country, not like malaysia, so do not have a huge buffer zone to sit back first and see what that plane is up to. We need immediate action to do the verification once the alert line is crossed. But at the meantime, we do give the unverified plane a chance instead of just launching missiles at it. Maybe the pilot/plane is in some sort of genuine distress? Firing missiles on first instances is too inhumane and dangerous. Even in war, blue on blue incidents are very bad PR which even the US could not handle very well.</p> Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:12:04 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7816735 cairocks http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Xcert:</div> <div class="quote_body">so what happened to that pilot in the end?</div> </blockquote> <p>The pilot is definitely not blind, he is handicapped, i think is wheelchaired bound.<br /> <br /> He is being released with a verbal warning after assisting in investigations.<br /> <br /> Can't find the old news article, anyone can help?</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:24:08 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7815909 tankee1981 http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>can u tell if a unauthorised plane is harmless just looking<br /> at the radar?<br /> <br /> If u can u are Super Man!!<br /> <br /> 1.It may be a slow cruise missiles,UAV with explosives,<br /> or a Fighter or bomber.<br /> <br /> 2.We should put a heavy penalty on two pilots.<br /> If we do so, next times the pilots on those plane may<br /> fly away to escape from heavy penalty<br /> or may create more troubles.<br /> <br /> If we let them get away so easy,it just invite more<br /> unapproved flight.<br /> <br /> So what to do?</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:12:48 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7814434 lionnoisy http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by tripwire:</div> <div class="quote_body">i suspect its changi air base...<br /> <br /> but then again... i could be wrong... since they mentioned that he airport police surrounded the plane after it landed....</div> </blockquote> <p>Was Changi airport that's why many flights were delayed.<br /> <br /> I dunno, I think I would rather risk having the plane go kaboom in Seletar airport than right smack in the middle of Changi airport. Stupid Aussies should be glad we're not trigger happy like some countries or they'd be wanking off in heaven right now. <img title= "Rolling Eyes" src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" /></p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:12:39 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7814433 sgf http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by lionnoisy:</div> <div class="quote_body">Few years ago RSAF sent F5 or A4 to intercept Cessna with a<br /> blind pilot on board.<br /></div> </blockquote> <p>so what happened to that pilot in the end?</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:02:04 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7814255 Xcert http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by tripwire:</div> <div class="quote_body">i suspect its changi air base...<br /> <br /> but then again... i could be wrong... since they mentioned that he airport police surrounded the plane after it landed....</div> </blockquote> <p>I think given a choice between a civilian airport and a military base...the civilian airport should be chosen...but then I am no defense expert. <img title="Laughing" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /> <img title="Mr. Green" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt="Mr. Green" /></p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:59:49 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7814246 Xcert http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by |-|05|:</div> <div class="quote_body">Interesting....the Thais said they didnt know where the plane went after it dropped off it's radar net n Singapore didnt know much abt the plane either.....<br /> Seems only the Malaysians knew? How so very odd... <img title= "Rolling Eyes" src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" /></div> </blockquote> <p>their minister got his eyes above the cloud mah.... with such a talent... who needs radar? <img title="Laughing" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /> <img title="Laughing" src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /> <img title="Laughing" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /></p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:42:58 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7814183 tripwire http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by sgf:</div> <div class="quote_body">Any idea why it was diverted to Changi instead of say Seletar? I mean what if it was loaded with explosives and this fellow pretended to comply &amp; at the last minute does a nose dive and KABOOM!!! Massive explosion in the middle of Changi would ruin whatever investor confidence we had.</div> </blockquote> <p>i suspect its changi air base...<br /> <br /> but then again... i could be wrong... since they mentioned that he airport police surrounded the plane after it landed....</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:41:57 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7814177 tripwire http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Shotgun:</div> <div class="quote_body">what is it? Alert 15?</div> </blockquote> <p>starts with A.</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:40:44 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7813990 Ah Cek http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>Interesting....the Thais said they didnt know where the plane went after it dropped off it's radar net n Singapore didnt know much abt the plane either.....<br /> Seems only the Malaysians knew? How so very odd... <img title= "Rolling Eyes" src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt="Rolling Eyes" /></p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:37:46 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7813982 |-|05| http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>Any idea why it was diverted to Changi instead of say Seletar? I mean what if it was loaded with explosives and this fellow pretended to comply &amp; at the last minute does a nose dive and <span class="">KABOOM</span>!!! Massive explosion in the middle of Changi would ruin whatever investor confidence we had.</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:25:22 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7813925 sgf http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>so... this incident prove whether singapore or malaysia is more efficient ????? <img title="Rolling Eyes" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt= "Rolling Eyes" /></p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:19:08 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7813764 siowkia http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>Well frankly, im surprised that they allow a plane to continue flying without a flightplan or comms. They will have detected the plane on civilian radar even if their military ones were scanning at that moment.<br /> <br /> Cessna bigger or MKM bigger for RCS? <img title="Laughing" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /> Well i feel better at least.<br /> <br /> It's obvious that they didnt comms the plane cause if they did, we would have been able to contact the cessna and have no need to scramble. The cessna's radio was not functioning. I'm very impressed by what they said based on assumption.<br /> <br /> By the way, now i know WHY we are so going for stealth. HEHEHEHE. It's a small plane and completely "harmless". It's a small fishing boat, and completely harmless too!!!!</p> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:04:17 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7813397 CM06 http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p><span style="color: darkred;">Is it possible that the Malaysian DCA not inform the Singapore DCA about the CESSNA flight plan, when it was reported the plane had already contacted Malaysian DCA from its originating airport at Koh Samui ?<br /> <br /> The FPDA arrangement - under the command of a Senior Officer either from Australia, NZ or UK - covers the air defense of Malaysia and Singapore as one network, has there been a breakdown ?<br /></span><br /></p> <blockquote> <p><br /> <br /> <span class="small">The Star, Nation<br /> Sunday January 27, 2008</span><br /> <br /> <strong><span class="large"><a href= "http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/1/27/nation/20143153&amp;sec=nation" rel="nofollow">Singapore informed by DCA of Cessna flight</a></span></strong><br /> <br /> PETALING JAYA: The Department of Civil Aviation informed its Singapore counterpart of the flight plan of a Cessna 208 plane, which caused a major security alert at Changi Airport on Tuesday.<br /> <br /> Transport Minister Datuk Seri Chan Kong Choy said the DCA allowed the plane, which took off from Koh Samui in Thailand to enter Malaysian airspace, as it posed no danger.<br /> <br /> “It was just a small plane and we had confirmed that it brought no threat to the country's defence.<br /> <br /> “The DCA immediately informed its Singapore counterpart after getting the information from the Thai DCA that the plane was having some problems and needed repairs in Singapore,” he said after attending the memorial service of Prof Dr Wolfgang Franke here yesterday.<br /> <br /> Dr Franke, who died in September last year, was a guest professor at the Chinese Faculty, Universiti Malaya where Chan graduated.<br /> <br /> It was reported that Singapore scrambled two F-16 fighters to intercept the plane, piloted by two Australians.<br /> <br /> The incident caused a major flight disruption at Changi which was forced to close for 50 minutes.<br /> <br /></p> </blockquote> Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:47:04 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7813329 Atobe http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>Hydrazine isn't exactly a very harmless thing you want to be topping up so often...<br /> <br /> Most likely, they'd just start up the jet, align it for a full 8-minutes, and park it and NOT move it. Shut down the jet, and let it keep its INS alignment using the Stored Heading.<br /> <br /> Still need abit of time to align after start up though. But its a hell lot shorter.</p> Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:56:35 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7808698 Shotgun http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Shotgun:</div> <div class="quote_body">Yeap. I was trying to make the point that there are fighters "ready" to intercept at any moment's notice. In some cases, jets sit with their engines running and INS fully aligned, just waiting for a pilot and clearance to taxi.<br /> <br /> As for powering up the A/C, you'd still need to wait for the INS to align, unless you want to try running that alignment off the EPU. I'm not sure if thats possible.</div> </blockquote> <p>Unless we are talking about full-scale war or presence of a very credible threat, there will be NOT be a/c withh engines running just waiting to take off... think if the fuel they will be wasting and the wear of the engines....<br /> <br /> Can't the INS stay in alignment with auxiliary power if that is such a big deal...<br /> <br /></p> Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:18:55 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7808575 spencer99 http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>Aussies quizzed over Singapore air drama<br /> <br /> *<br /> * Email<br /> * Print<br /> * Normal font<br /> * Large font<br /> <br /> January 24, 2008 - 7:52PM<br /> AdvertisementAdvertisement<br /> <br /> Two Australians are being questioned by Singapore police after apparently flying a light plane into the country without permission.<br /> <br /> A Singapore police spokeswoman said the pair, a pilot and engineer, were assisting with investigations, but were not under arrest.<br /> <br /> The investigation is expected to take several days to complete.<br /> <br /> Singapore Ministry of Defence said F-16 fighter jets were used to escort the plane to Singapore's Changi Airport on Tuesday night.<br /> <br /> "At 6.42pm (2142 AEDT), two Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) F-16 fighters were scrambled to intercept a civilian aircraft, a Cessna 208, which was heading towards Singapore airspace without an approved flight plan," the ministry's director of public affairs, Colonel Darius Lim, said in a statement.<br /> <br /> "The aircraft was escorted to land at Singapore Changi Airport.<br /> <br /> "The Singapore Police Force is investigating the matter."<br /> <br /> Singapore's Straits Times newspaper said commercial air space was locked down for 50 minutes over one of the world's busiest airports, after the incident sparked a major security alert.<br /> <br /> The plane had been recently purchased by Mary Cummins, the owner of a West Australian flight adventure company, and had been flown from Thailand, the newspaper said.<br /> <br /> Ms Cummins and former Ansett pilot Rhys Thomas own the Horizontal Falls Travel Adventure business in Broome.<br /> <br /> Staff at their Broome airport office said Mr Thomas was overseas and Ms Cummins in Brisbane. She did not return calls on Thursday.<br /> <br /> The last time the RSAF scrambled its jets was in August 2003, when two Super Skyhawk warplanes intercepted a civilian plane that tried to land at Tengah Air Base.<br /> <br /> © 2008</p> Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:31:31 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7807128 vaxjunior http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by monkeybusiness:</div> <div class="quote_body">actually there's another term used by the squadron <img title="Laughing" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" /></div> </blockquote> <p>what is it? Alert 15?</p> Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:26:27 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7806880 Shotgun http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p><img src= "http://s14.photobucket.com/albums/a336/lionnoisy/th_changieastab.jpg" alt="image" /><br /> left Changi airport.<br /> middle:Changi East AB.<br /> bottom right hand corner.Changi Naval Base.<br /> google earth open source.dunt report to ISD.pl.<br /> it is good to have AB next to AP!!</p> Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:22:01 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7805918 lionnoisy http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by FireAndHell:</div> <div class="quote_body">hmm.....i gather from the ST news, the path taken by the Cessna passed over part of Peninsula M. Wonder why did'nt the M sent up their Su30 or FA18 to take a peek at the intruder, or were they unaware that a UFO intruded into their airspace?? <img title="Confused" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_confused.gif" alt= "Confused" /><br /> <br /> Or is it M. Boleh? Anybody can suka suka intrude into their airspace without a proper flight plan. Like that, problem mah! hmmm..... <img title="Wink" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" /></div> </blockquote> <p>good point sg couldn't assume that MY will be the first line of air intruders if threats were external from the region.</p> Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:57:09 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7804739 Arapahoe http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>Singapore FIR covers the entire South China Sea, and some parts of P. Malaysia out of Changi Airport.<br /> <br /> Now probably it didn't fly towards Australia or Indonesia as intended, but somehow veered off-course towards Singapore by following the lead of other airlines using the civilian airway G219 for arrival into Singapore. However, it probably didn't file the notices or state where it was headed to unlike the other airlines on the route.</p> Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:45:35 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7804385 ^tamago^ http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>hmm.....i gather from the ST news, the path taken by the Cessna passed over part of Peninsula M. Wonder why did'nt the M sent up their Su30 or FA18 to take a peek at the intruder, or were they unaware that a UFO intruded into their airspace?? <img title= "Confused" src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_confused.gif" alt= "Confused" /><br /> <br /> Or is it M. Boleh? Anybody can suka suka intrude into their airspace without a proper flight plan. Like that, problem mah! hmmm..... <img title="Wink" src= "/images/emoticons/classic/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" /></p> Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:32:24 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7804330 FireAndHell http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <p>Dunt take peace for granted!!<br /> <br /> <strong><a href= "http://www.dsta.gov.sg/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=4194&amp;Itemid=401" rel="nofollow">23 April 2007.RSAF showcases new networked air defence capability</a></strong><br /> <br /> <strong><a href= "http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/air_force/assets/weapon_systems/giraffe.html" rel="nofollow">In power we trust</a></strong><br /> <br /> <img src= "http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/mindef_websites/atozlistings/air_force/assets/aircraft/Helicopters_and_Transport_.-imindefPars-000160-TextImage.imindefParstextimage.gif" alt="image" /></p> Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:22:10 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7803959 lionnoisy http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by duotiga83:</div> <div class="quote_body">in short the term is call QRA (Quick Reaction Alert), 24/7 around the clock standby &amp; armed</div> </blockquote> <p>actually there's another term used by the squadron <img title= "Laughing" src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt= "Laughing" /></p> Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:32:43 +0800 politics.sgforums.com:1164:304639:7803701 monkeybusiness http://politics.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/304639