How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by Bionic Animals @ Sat, 03 May 2008 21:33:39 +0800

Bionic Animals — Sat, 03 May 2008 21:33:39 +0800

Originally posted by Skye2:

It is not a bold attempt to try anything ingenius. They were prevented access to a lot of things on the F18s. They had no choice. As for their `rojak' system, it is a mess. Their skyhawks are rotting in the hot sun. They were undecided about the Migs. However, it is an indication as per how costly maintainence is when they decided to have them mothballed. They changed thier minds a couple of times about the Migs too. Now, they will use the Migs till 2010. Splendid waste of money. It is very very telling about thier logistical support when brand new Hawks are crashing. The accident record of the old Nuris is self-explanatory but even the RSAF were using old second hand Hueys. However, it is appalling that they persist in using them; relying on cozy relationships with inefficient bumi companies. And all of these happened during peace-time deployments.

Two things can be deduced here;

1) Some of thier systems are really old

2) Simply bad logistical support and possibly bad training as well

Any other air force in the region having the same problems?

You must dislike the RMAF to belittle them so. As the Chinese saying goes, every sinking ship still has 3 nails left.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by ferryman2393 @ Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:20:55 +0800

ferryman2393 — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:20:55 +0800

Strutting around with a Glock is one big guy thing, but it require a real guy to keep it in serviceable condition, and knowing how to use it when needed is another.

No use if the Glock get stuck and will not work when the coin drops.

it also require a better cowboy to not just dismiss the cowboy with the Glock as incompetent fool who has no idea how to look after his Glock let alone knowing how to use it. if the coin did drop that is.

btw, did i mentioned the cowboy with the Glock has a deputy sheriff badge on his chest? LOL.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by Atobe @ Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:16:27 +0800

Atobe — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:16:27 +0800

Originally posted by ferryman2393:

look at it this way,

if the cowboy who usually struts around town with a six shooter, mingling with other cowboys with similar six shooters suddenly decided to replaced it with a Glock, would they look at him as a threat? or would they still look at him as another cowboy?

i'd say the rest of the cowboys will drool at his Glock and harbor intentions to match it or dream of a laser six shooter.

its a guy thing.

Strutting around with a Glock is one big guy thing, but it require a real guy to keep it in serviceable condition, and knowing how to use it when needed is another.

No use if the Glock get stuck and will not work when the coin drops.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tankfanatic @ Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:03:40 +0800

tankfanatic — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:03:40 +0800

Originally posted by Skye2:

It is not a bold attempt to try anything ingenius. They were prevented access to a lot of things on the F18s. They had no choice. As for their `rojak' system, it is a mess. (yeah right ..and this is your most brilliant analysis)Their skyhawks are rotting in the hot sun.(lol how many years are you in coma?) They were undecided about the Migs. However, it is an indication as per how costly maintainence is when they decided to have them mothballed. (oh boy.. so the one that we saw flying all over lankawi must be their RC plane..LOL) They changed thier minds a couple of times about the Migs too. Now, they will use the Migs till 2010. Splendid waste of money. It is very very telling about thier logistical support when brand new Hawks are crashing. (how can be brand new after so many years of usage? LOL)The accident record of the old Nuris is self-explanatory but even the RSAF were using old second hand Hueys. However, it is appalling that they persist in using them; relying on cozy relationships with inefficient bumi companies. And all of these happened during peace-time deployments.

Two things can be deduced here;

1) Some of thier systems are really old (from ww2? lol)

2) Simply bad logistical support and possibly bad training as well (wuu huu how you know this? you actually saw their logistical aparatus and training program? lol)

Any other air force in the region having the same problems?.(.......mmmm how to answer this? DUH? yeah...!?)

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tankfanatic @ Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:55:54 +0800

tankfanatic — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:55:54 +0800

Originally posted by fvwerra:

Skye,you seem to be on the conclusion that RMAF are a gone case.

It’s true that their Skyhawks are rotting in the sun.RMAF retired them already.A few were given away as gate guardian. I even saw one beside a roundabout in Perak,of all places. So i think RMAF don’t give a hoot about them any longer.

As for the Migs, RMAF never actually mothball their Migs and then reactivate them operationally.Only their defence minister mooted the idea.RMAF top brass must be loughing behind his back.Mothball Migs and replace with what?

Hawks.They are crashing alright but not at the rate of 3-4 per year.Recent hawk crash was about 2 years ago.

Same goes as for the Nuris.

awww come on...you blew it... i have been savouring the moment skye post that ....so called 'ultimate conclusion on RMAF capability' for a week now...

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by fvwerra @ Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:23:53 +0800

fvwerra — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:23:53 +0800

Just to add something about the Nuris crashes…

It’s a good thing somehow for RMAF since they have been pestering for new replacement for Nuris.Now the Malaysian govt are seriously considering for replacement.Hope RMAF will have a newer workhorse.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by fvwerra @ Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:12:44 +0800

fvwerra — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:12:44 +0800

Skye,you seem to be on the conclusion that RMAF are a gone case.

It’s true that their Skyhawks are rotting in the sun.RMAF retired them already.A few were given away as gate guardian. I even saw one beside a roundabout in Perak,of all places. So i think RMAF don’t give a hoot about them any longer.

As for the Migs, RMAF never actually mothball their Migs and then reactivate them operationally.Only their defence minister mooted the idea.RMAF top brass must be loughing behind his back.Mothball Migs and replace with what?

Hawks.They are crashing alright but not at the rate of 3-4 per year.Recent hawk crash was about 2 years ago.

Same goes as for the Nuris.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by ferryman2393 @ Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:09:31 +0800

ferryman2393 — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:09:31 +0800

look at it this way,

if the cowboy who usually struts around town with a six shooter, mingling with other cowboys with similar six shooters suddenly decided to replaced it with a Glock, would they look at him as a threat? or would they still look at him as another cowboy?

i'd say the rest of the cowboys will drool at his Glock and harbor intentions to match it or dream of a laser six shooter.

its a guy thing.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by Shotgun @ Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:48:56 +0800

Shotgun — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:48:56 +0800

Aiy.. we have our own problems with some of our equipment as well lar. Just that they are not publicised, and neither am I about to.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tankfanatic @ Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:41:29 +0800

tankfanatic — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:41:29 +0800

Originally posted by Skye2:

It is not a bold attempt to try anything ingenius. They were prevented access to a lot of things on the F18s. They had no choice. As for their `rojak' system, it is a mess. Their skyhawks are rotting in the hot sun. They were undecided about the Migs. However, it is an indication as per how costly maintainence is when they decided to have them mothballed. They changed thier minds a couple of times about the Migs too. Now, they will use the Migs till 2010. Splendid waste of money. It is very very telling about thier logistical support when brand new Hawks are crashing. The accident record of the old Nuris is self-explanatory but even the RSAF were using old second hand Hueys. However, it is appalling that they persist in using them; relying on cozy relationships with inefficient bumi companies. And all of these happened during peace-time deployments.

Two things can be deduced here;

1) Some of thier systems are really old

2) Simply bad logistical support and possibly bad training as well

Any other air force in the region having the same problems?

you just make my day ...... lol

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by Skye2 @ Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:30:30 +0800

Skye2 — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:30:30 +0800

The RMAF made a bold attempt to mix western avionic with Russian jet.Though it sound silly, it shows their flexibility in defence thinking.To say that using 'rojak' system will create problem sound way to simplistic. If it is implemented right it will turn out right.

It is not a bold attempt to try anything ingenius. They were prevented access to a lot of things on the F18s. They had no choice. As for their `rojak' system, it is a mess. Their skyhawks are rotting in the hot sun. They were undecided about the Migs. However, it is an indication as per how costly maintainence is when they decided to have them mothballed. They changed thier minds a couple of times about the Migs too. Now, they will use the Migs till 2010. Splendid waste of money. It is very very telling about thier logistical support when brand new Hawks are crashing. The accident record of the old Nuris is self-explanatory but even the RSAF were using old second hand Hueys. However, it is appalling that they persist in using them; relying on cozy relationships with inefficient bumi companies. And all of these happened during peace-time deployments.

Two things can be deduced here;

1) Some of thier systems are really old

2) Simply bad logistical support and possibly bad training as well

Any other air force in the region having the same problems?

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by Shotgun @ Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:18:08 +0800

Shotgun — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:18:08 +0800

Its impossible to achieve Zero accidents. However, certain air forces continue to believe and strive towards it, thereby greatly reducing accident rates.

Some... know its impossible and don't do much to prevent them.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tripwire @ Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:51:17 +0800

tripwire — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:51:17 +0800

using indicators to judge something aint perfect... but the performance indicators despite its limitations are facts that are hard to ignore when assessment is to be conducted by a third party.

do you not judge a company from its profitability?

or have crystal balling become the modern method of choice?

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tankfanatic @ Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:46:18 +0800

tankfanatic — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:46:18 +0800

Originally posted by tripwire:

their records speaks of their competencies... unless of course you choose to believe that they intentionally crash their preciously limited machines for the sake of fun.

oh ? so RMAF monkey performance were actually reflected by their aircraft accident record? hmmm interesting......

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by LazerLordz @ Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:23:16 +0800

LazerLordz — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:23:16 +0800

For interest's sake..

Plan an area defence plan using both F-15SG and SU-30MKM. Aim is to perform naval patrol and first strike, preferably OTH.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tripwire @ Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:31:52 +0800

tripwire — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:31:52 +0800

their records speaks of their competencies... unless of course you choose to believe that they intentionally crash their preciously limited machines for the sake of fun.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tankfanatic @ Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:04:34 +0800

tankfanatic — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:04:34 +0800

Originally posted by tripwire:

its no secret that even their own citizens are doubtful of their air force maintainance competency.... on low medium tech aircraft.... now here comes the MKM... i am looking forward to their first crash... hopefully nobody gets killed.

this is even better...wow. ....

you actually have confirmation directly from a malaysian citizen that they have monkey airforce......you are even better than skye..LOL

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tankfanatic @ Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:01:10 +0800

tankfanatic — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:01:10 +0800

Originally posted by Skye2:

First of all, they`ll need to make sure all theier systems from around the world work together. I can`t remember the countries involved; too many; lol. Maintainence will be nightmarish for an air-force with a gamut of logistical issues. As a point of reference, the Indians took 7 years to fix the MKI. And they were merging Israeli and Russian systems. The Indians also discovered that Russian production lines have poor quality control and their equipment are not what the Russians claim to be.

lol really? 'the indian' said that to you? mmm this is interesting. Your source of information were solid! LOL

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by fvwerra @ Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:11:36 +0800

fvwerra — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:11:36 +0800

Doubtful or not, we must not underestimate anyone,anybody.

The RMAF made a bold attempt to mix western avionic with Russian jet.Though it sound silly, it shows their flexibility in defence thinking.To say that using 'rojak' system will create problem sound way to simplistic. If it is implemented right it will turn out right.

Who are we to say that RMAF neglected their aircraft maintenance? Do we actually see RMAF left their aircraft to rot?canniballising for spare part?Lazy ground crews?

Proud to know that RSAF are the best in the region but RMAF,RTAF,TNI-AU must not be scorn at.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tripwire @ Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:59:59 +0800

tripwire — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:59:59 +0800

its no secret that even their own citizens are doubtful of their air force maintainance competency.... on low medium tech aircraft.... now here comes the MKM... i am looking forward to their first crash... hopefully nobody gets killed.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by tankfanatic @ Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:21:42 +0800

tankfanatic — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:21:42 +0800

so this summary spurt out from your extremely indepth knowledge on their airforce? lol

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by Skye2 @ Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:06:05 +0800

Skye2 — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:06:05 +0800

so are you saying their air force were a bunch of monkey with wrench?

Get used to your Zoo. Better term.

The worse thing is, they can't get the Israelis to integrate all the electronics for them like the Indians did. I wonder if they are going to try to integrate the electronics by themselves?

The Indians are very close to the Israelis and us. The Indians have had a long list of issues with the Sukhois. Took them some time to work things out. They(RMAF) would not even have the competency to do it themselves. Otherwise, they would have done it a long time ago with thier Migs. They have issues with technical competency and money. As it stands, thier Hornets cannot even fire Amraams after being allowed to buy 20 of them. New combat/training jets like Hawks are falling from the skies together with old nuris and they would have the gall to trust thier own handiwork at improvising things? Balls.. i tell you. Of course, we should always stay vigilant.

How does Malaysia's SU-30MKM poised a threat to ASEAN/SG? replied by edwin3060 @ Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:22:21 +0800

edwin3060 — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:22:21 +0800