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  • sgf
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    363 posts since Feb '06
    • 08 Apr `08, 9:03AM

      ST recently reported on the frigate's test firing of the Aster SAM.  It mentioned it had a range of 30km.  I thought our frigates were equipped with Aster 15?  Wonder if ST got their facts wrong again or whether RSN eventually decided to get Aster 30.

  • lionnoisy
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    3,454 posts since May '05
    • 08 Apr `08, 9:44AM

      yes it is officaial.30 km!!

      The Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN) stealth frigates are equipped with the Aster Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) system, which has a range of up to 30km.

      http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2008/apr/03apr08_nr.html

      i like the control panels looks so simple.

       

  • tripwire
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    • 08 Apr `08, 10:14AM

      wat are u jabbering about... everyone knows the aster 15 has the range of 30km for anti-air.

      its a pity they didnt test fire the aster 30 at the same time... but given the range of 120 km... i can understand why.

  • Arapahoe
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  • spartan_6
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    • 08 Apr `08, 4:49PM

      E Aster 15 is so called becos its max range vs missiles is 15KM NOT becos its has a max range of 15KM , like they say its max range vs others airbone targets is 30KM

      Likewise e Aster 30 max range vs missiles is 30KM but vs aircraft is 120KM

  • Shotgun
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    • 08 Apr `08, 7:40PM

      AShMs typically travel around 800-900km/h.  They cover abt 15km in 1 min.

      The Aster is quite maneuverable and ought to be able to keep up with any terminal pop up maneuvers, so even if its a bit shorter ranged, the chance of interception should also be quite high.

  • Arapahoe
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  • pigsticker
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    • 10 Apr `08, 12:23AM
      Originally posted by tripwire:

      wat are u jabbering about... everyone knows the aster 15 has the range of 30km for anti-air.

      its a pity they didnt test fire the aster 30 at the same time... but given the range of 120 km... i can understand why.

      so does this mean that we have the aster 30 also??

  • tripwire
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    2,340 posts since Feb '01
    • 10 Apr `08, 8:17PM

      why would we buy a launcher that can launch the aster 30 if we dont intend to operate it?

      but we must be SENSITIVE to our neighbour mah.... especially in view of their recent disaster at the generatl election.

  • sgdiehard
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    2,613 posts since Jul '04
    • 10 Apr `08, 8:56PM
      Originally posted by tripwire:

      why would we buy a launcher that can launch the aster 30 if we dont intend to operate it?

      but we must be SENSITIVE to our neighbour mah.... especially in view of their recent disaster at the generatl election.

      do you see any change in their position vs Singapore due to the election?

  • Shotgun
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    5,667 posts since Jul '00
    • 10 Apr `08, 9:39PM
      Originally posted by Arapahoe:

      pity the weapon officer. Her/His eyes must stare at the screen when on duty.

      Broadband sonar arrays require even more staring.  wink.png

  • 16/f/lonely
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    2,110 posts since Apr '08
    • 10 Apr `08, 9:43PM
      Originally posted by Arapahoe:

      pity the weapon officer. Her/His eyes must stare at the screen when on duty.


      Um....weapon officer does not stare at the screen.

      Neither does he take charge, haha.

  • Atobe
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    • 11 Apr `08, 1:52PM
      Originally posted by sgdiehard:

      do you see any change in their position vs Singapore due to the election?


      If they need to rebuild their political base, they do not need any hostiity from any external source - especially not from Singapore who is needed to develop their dream Johor Iskandar Economic and Industrial Plans into reality.

      Alternatively, if they decide to play the last card in bankrupting themselves, they could galvanise their own nationalistic position by going back to 'Old Politics' - by pushing the imagined military threat from Singapore to a higher xenophobic level.

      There is of course the middle path - in which a stronger Singapore can assist them to cover their back - as with a stronger SAF partner in the existing FPDA defense arrangement, and free up their resources for more intense economic activities.

       

      Edited by Atobe 11 Apr `08, 1:56PM
  • Typhoon
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    467 posts since Oct '02
    • 11 Apr `08, 5:39PM
      Originally posted by Atobe:

      Alternatively, if they decide to play the last card in bankrupting themselves, they could galvanise their own nationalistic position by going back to 'Old Politics' - by pushing the imagined military threat from Singapore to a higher xenophobic level.

       

      The best possible outcome. A Malaysia distracting itself through imagined external threats is a Malaysia not paying attention to more crucial domestic issues.

  • sgf
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  • spartan_6
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  • spartan_6
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    • 13 Apr `08, 7:54PM

      Btw e missile system is fully auto ie once e ESM detect e radar emission of an  incoming missile e aster will launch automatically cos human reaction is too slow,most of e time u only got a few sec 2 react before impact

  • arball
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    162 posts since Dec '07
    • 13 Apr `08, 9:17PM

      lols.. i read from an magazine at the sg arishow this year tt....our frigate has aster 30

  • Sepecat
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  • Shotgun
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    • 15 Apr `08, 8:05PM
      Originally posted by spartan_6:

      15 or 30 we wont knowwink.png

      not 2 secs lar... thats too fast le.  From launch to impact, depends on distance.  Lucky, you get a full 1-2 mins.  Suay, less than 30 secs.

  • arball
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    162 posts since Dec '07
    • 15 Apr `08, 9:57PM
      Originally posted by Sepecat:

      Hey  Arball, which mag was that ? & which issue ?


      emm... Defense Technology International (DTI) by aviation week..jan/feb issue 2008 - $6.00 for one!

      page 45....  "Pax Singapore" written by a certain Joris Janssen Lok from the Hague....

       

      lols. i went to dig up that magazine again.....

       

  • Arapahoe
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    • 16 Apr `08, 4:51AM
      Originally posted by spartan_6:

      Btw e missile system is fully auto ie once e ESM detect e radar emission of an  incoming missile e aster will launch automatically cos human reaction is too slow,most of e time u only got a few sec 2 react before impact


      thanks

  • spartan_6
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  • zenden9
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    849 posts since Nov '03
    • 16 Apr `08, 10:38PM

      I don’t think our frigate can accomodate aster 30. aster 30 has a larger second stage boaster which our frigate missile cannister not able to handle it. I think only a 6000-7000 tons destroyer can house it…

  • Fingolfin_Noldor
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    1,585 posts since Dec '06
    • 17 Apr `08, 10:21AM

      You don't rely on humans to mann the station. You program an automated system to do it. Which was the fucking problem with the Israeli warship when the morons shut the thing off because "it was making too much noise".

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